Young was getting picked because he was playing ten times better than Di Maria. That's a fact, regardless of stats.
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Reus would probably be the only player I would swap ADM for, like-for-like
I don't think he has the fight in him and I don't think he wants to be here. I'm surprised at the number of people that think he's going to come good next season, he showed no desire last year and his attitude on the pitch was borderline disgraceful on more than one occasion. I don't think he's settled here, his body language in every game is that of someone that doesn't want to be there.
Not a mind reader god knows what was going through his head but I know what he's said since then and from that I believe he wants to turn it around here. Buying/selling within a year would make us look ridiculous.
We're also linked with Gaitan for the 4th year in a row, soemtimes the rumour doesn't actually mean anything is happening. We will find out soon enough though
Ronaldo, Messi, Bale etc. No?
Well a couple of things. Young was one of Anderson, Valencia and maybe Bebe aside, one of the most maligned players at United. He did well and really rose to the occasion. He and Fellaini really changed some minds. Including mine. You seem to assume that the injuries and break in are just going to go away for DiMaria. Maybe they will and I'll eat my words, and DiMaria will prove me wrong. The big difference is we all saw Young and Fellaini as terrible transfers. But they didn't cost as much as DiMaria, they aren't on the wages he's on, and they never had the expectations DiMaria had. They also never had the re-sale value he still has after such a disappointing season. We should cut our losses on DiMaria.
That's fair enough - my initial comment merely said that if we do well him, I'm sure that's because he doesn't want to be here more than us not wanting him here, which was what I was replying too.
If he pushes for the move we will sell but no way we get our money back and unlikely we get a top player in exchange from bayern or psg.
I am not fussed if he goes if our intention is to play him as a winger, there are better options available who we could replace him with.
I am not fussed if he goes if our intention is to play him as a winger, there are better options available who we could replace him with.
Must admit, I am a bit worried we may be losing him.
There's still many areas that massive amount of money could be reinvested in. Striker, GK, etc.
Bale: No. Would cost substantially more to buy than what we'll get from any potential purchase of ADM and he's an inferior player.
Ronaldo & Messi are unrealistic.
I hope he stays at least another season. He's too good of a player to just give up on after 1 year.
Selling him would be a mistake. We need players who can create chances and now, with a solid midfield behind him, he can only do better
I didn't either. In all honesty I think DiMaria behaved like a spoiled kid in a lot of our games. I can understand his being upset after the burglary but when the season ended I was far from convinced that he's a player who will put out for the club when our backs are against the wall. This is part of why a player like Valencia gets so much gametime. Does DiMaria look like he will always give you 100%? Not based on what I've seen so far.
And anyway, we could look at it from a financial point of view. There might still be clubs that are willing to pay a big fee for him and give us back some of what we paid for him. At this point, last season can be written off to his first year in the PL and assorted issues. If we gamble on him turning it around and he doesn't, there's no way in hell we recoup anything close to what we paid.
I would hardly class Bale as inferior - that's nonsense to me. The money could be invested in any number of options including a striker like Muller or Kane, a top class keeper, or Ramos or Otamedi at CB. We hardly have to fill like for like in a midfield with Herrera, Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin and Carrick.
That's fair. If we sold Di Maria and also loaned Januzaj then I would agree we need a new winger.
I am assuming Januzaj will be at United next season atm.
He can do one if eh fecks off now after only one season. With all those great players coming in you'd think a player like DiMaria who will likely get a lot better support would be motivated to give it a go. Not saying this isnt the case, but we will have to wait and see. Would be devastated if he left. We would need another winger as well (or a versatile striker).
I think fans will be more reassured if he makes a crystal clear refusal Fabian Delph style. That would put things to bet for good but between he said he wanted to stay and now, things have changed, PSG can offer him more money in terms of wages than ever before.
That's your opinion, but Bale is the ultimate kick and rush player to me. Never rated him at Spurs and I don't rate him at Real. His gifts are physical, borne out of his strength, power and pace.
We would need to replace ADM if he was sold, because we would need someone to replicate his threat of pace in behind. Depay is not that kind of player to dribble at pace with the ball in the ilk of ADM, he's a different kind of threat. We simply don't have anyone else who can do what ADM does, and that's not even mentioning his uncanny ability to provide cutting edge, creativity
and assists even when he's having a stinker.
An inferior player or an inferior winger? The former is debatable, the latter is madness.
Don't really know what to think about this one, he was just so bereft of confidence at the end of last season, and looked so lost at times, that part of me thinks it might be best to get as much of the fee back as we can, but then again he could still come good, especially as he'll have much better players around him this season.
Tough one for LvG, and Woodward if a full refund offer comes in for him.
Tough one for LvG, and Woodward if a full refund offer comes in for him.
this place has recently seriously underrated Bale
He's a quality player but I don't really think it'll be a great tragedy to lose him. He's never really seemed to fit in to the team culture and that whole burglary thing might have been irreparable damage for him as far as life in Manchester goes.
A £60m player should be expected to hit the ground running and deliver in his first season - see Sanchez at Arsenal for example. We are not talking about a mid-priced punt here.
See this for me is the crux of the issue. As United fans we'll bloody moan until the cows come home about how other clubs go about their business, 'bout the old the old days when Ferguson was ruthless, about how Chelsea do proper business. Chelsea would be out of their minds to get a proper return on DiMaria now, same and sane as they are with Cuadrado. He would have been dead to "ruthless" Ferguson after that stupid red card. How many on Chelsea forums think Cuadrado needs another chance? Another season to possibly lose value, and end up a financial anchor around the club. And yet here, so many want to give DiMaria another season, regardless of the financial consequences if he's worse than last season.
Agreed. That's your opinion, too. I rate Bale leagues above that. I'd have Bale any day of the week over DiMaria after Bale's last season in the Premier League, or first season in La Liga, compared to DiMaria's season at United. It's not even an argument to me.
And you rate DiMaria after last season? This problem is yours mate, not mine.
And despite him playing so much better, we were poor bar that run of 3-4 games. We need to move away from mediocrity if we aim to become a powerhouse again.
Young falls into the same caterogry as Fellaini does. I'm very glad they performed last season and it would be wrong to downplay their contributions that got us into the CL qualifier. But I have to agree with you. I can't see him and Fellaini beeing starters if we want to get back to winning things again.
If average performances from Young and to a certain extent Fellaini are what we crave for, then certainly we should sell Di Maria.
Would ruin the transfer window for me somewhat if he goes. I can't think of an available alternative and I fear us going with our current options if we do sell him. It doesn't make sense at all, but stranger things have happened.
Our Manager picks the players in form, so if our better players aren't preforming they won't play. Not sure what point you're trying to get across, if Young comes in & looks one of our best players, that is obviously a plus over a half arsed world class player who is doing very little when he plays.
Are you trying to say we should have no squad players who can do a job when needed?
Where do you get that the fans crave Young & Fellaini to play well over ADM? Think you're being a bit over dramatic & need to go have a cup of tea
Never disagree with anyone who say that they were important for us to qualify for this season's CL. Just that if we need to move to the next level, they are not the answer.
People saying that we should sell Di Maria after one poor season don't understand the irony when they themselves claim that the likes of Fellaini and Young changed their opinions after good performances last season when the seasons before they ranged from average to horrible.
Where do you get that the fans crave Young & Fellaini to play well over ADM? Think you're being a bit over dramatic & need to go have a cup of tea
Think you need the coffee more than I need tea as you need to wake up and read the posts I was responding to.
Mainly the ones who are willing to sell Di Maria after one poor season and are fine with that as according ro them we have cover for Di Maria in the form of Ashley Young.
I've said this a hundred times already but Angel di Maria will be up for POTY next season, if I was a betting man I'd quite easily out money on it.
Hope he stays. Think he will have a great season if he does.
Want him to stay. If he does go though, and that #7 is vacated, I think the "brand" side of United will demand a major shirt selling signing to fill it. Bale or something.
I hope we keep him. Young did alright in the second half of the season but we'd be foolish to back him over Di Maria for the future of the club.
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