Tommy Tuchel for two years then McKenna. McKenna gotta prove it on the PL, best case scenario is he actually gets the Brighton job considering Ipswich is more so likely to go down than anything
Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Probably better than Ten Hag, but can't see him for the long term.
You've noticed my irritation with Tuchel.But I still believe he'll be a good fit for Man United if you want short-term results. You have defenders that can work only in a low block defense, and fast wingers with a striker that plays like a pivot. Only need 2 workhorses alongside Mainoo to stabilize the midfield where you are currently the weakest. Afterwards you can change managers and try like Klopp's Liverpool did with Thiago and try to add more possession percentages.. gradually.
Instead of comments like this, come up with an actual point to refute any of what i've said. I stated facts.
I wouldn't feel so dismissive of Potter if he hadn't failed to manage that Chelsea dressing room,only way it could have ever worked here is clearing the egos out straight away. Unfortunately we aren't in a position to do that so feel he wouldn't be suitable.
I get you fully. But I still think it’s better to wait.
I can wait provided it's not with Erik
People dream too much about the long term picture when in truth none of our managers have made it to the end of year 3.
It's great in theory but realistically you can't predict what will happen 3 years from now even if another young bright spark manager joins the club. As we can see from ETH, you can't always bring football you've trained elsewhere to another club that easily.
It's great in theory but realistically you can't predict what will happen 3 years from now even if another young bright spark manager joins the club. As we can see from ETH, you can't always bring football you've trained elsewhere to another club that easily.
I wish there was someone who is gonna relish the rebuild but also fits what INEOS want to implement. I believe there are candidates who fit one or the other but can't think of anyone who fits both criteria. Feel free to put forward any names that can.
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I’d have happily given Ten Hag another season if he was showing somthing worth backing. But his chat, the football, there’s zero promise. We can’t really wait now, he’s left us with no choice with just how shit we are.
I agree completely it is easy to say and also it needs to be followed through. I just think the short term standards should be more the remit of the coach while the long term plan is being carefully watched over by Wilcox, Ashworth etc.
Whoever comes in to coach should have their focus solely on getting the best results next season with clear expectations set. Otherwise you have a ready-made excuse and complacency can easily set in for everyone involved in the present day first team, “This is a big mess, I’m not expected to do much this season anyway”, as opposed to “This is the squad we’ve got, these are the footballing objectives I’ve been set for this season by Ashworth and Wilcox, if I achieve them then I stay, if not I will be gone. Everyone is on the same page, no hard feelings”.
Don't mind having him for 2 years to stabilise the team.
After that get Alonso in for long term building and promise him a big budget
After that get Alonso in for long term building and promise him a big budget
No, he has been sacked by both clubs that played last night funnily enough. Sackings happen.
Changed my mind. I want to be his maid AND him being Utd manager at the same time. So when he gets the sack I'll get his house.
(for those who didn't know he gave his maid his villa)
Why might that be? Who is to blame?
Unfortunately that isn’t what Redcafe does.
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But does show Madrid on paper were deserved winners.
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The idea of Tuchel trying to play underdog football while clashing with the management structure on not getting the targets he wants is a bit scary to me.
How McKenna does at Ipswich in the PL will depend on a lot of factors than just his management. They'll have to be ready to spend a huge wad of cash on some good players in order to stay up. I am not fully aware on what are their thoughts with regards to that.
A job like Brighton could be a decent audition, but we don't know if it'll become available. De Zerbi hasn't really done anything that shouts he is ready for one of the big boys.
If the new management is committed to a long-term rebuild and is not looking to get top 4 next season like Woodie & co would try, then I don't mind if we start our rebuild with a young, up and coming manager. From the little that I have seen, Motta or McKenna look like decent prospects for that rebuild.
Nope.
Manifest it lads. Bring it into existence so you can go "jUsT aS bAd As JoSe AnD cOnTe. Do NoT wAnT!"
Tuchel loses CL semi final….
Appears Southgate Potter fans have come out swinging
Appears Southgate Potter fans have come out swinging
This is the way I look at it. We need manager that can help cement us as a top 4 team, make OT a fortress and if we do lose a game it's not a complete drubbing. People have short memories, and seem to forget that SAF was perfectly happy to park the bus when the occasion called for it.
I'm not sure Tuchel has what it takes to challenge City's hegemony (at least whilst Pep's still around) but he might be the right person before that person. Rodgers took Liverpool pretty close to a league title but then they were ruthless when Klopp became available. We need to be in a position so that we can go for that top coach when they appear.
Right now, they'd have much better options.
Get real Mourinho vibes with this potential appointment
The most important thing is getting a manager that fits the style of play we want so even if he's short term the squad composition can change and the next guy can slot in.
As if losing to Madrid in a CL semi at the Bernabéu with a bad last minute refereeing decision was a metric for bad management.Tuchel loses CL semi final….
Appears Southgate Potter fans have come out swinging
We’ve just lost by 4. To friggin’ Crystal Palace
He came within a whisker of knocking out RM in a CL semi-final, and you can’t blame him for a GK error or a usually lethal striker missing a gilt-edged chance to make it 2-0.
He‘s the most practical option available to us right now, and even if he self-combusts 2 seasons from now, I suspect the squad will be in a much better place by then.
At the very least, I can’t imagine we will suffer 4+ goal margin defeats under Tuchel.
He‘s the most practical option available to us right now, and even if he self-combusts 2 seasons from now, I suspect the squad will be in a much better place by then.
At the very least, I can’t imagine we will suffer 4+ goal margin defeats under Tuchel.
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That’s ok we’ll win 2 trophies next season then!
fecking hell, listing the Bundesliga as Bayern manager & Ligue 1 + a bunch of French cups as PSG manager as some noticeable achievements, are you being serious man? Every single manager at both clubs over the past decade has titles, they are freebies.
Galtier got himself a ligue 1 title in 2023, he now manages in the Qatari league.
Kovač has as many Bundesliga titles as Tuchel.
And don’t get me started on the bloody super cup (Villareal) or WCC (Palmeiras) man
He’s left every club since Mainz in a worse state season on season, his two points total seasons at Bayern have been the worst of the past decade. In two full seasons at the second easiest club job in Europe, he needed a last day capitulation from Dortmund to even scrape out with one title.
There’s one title in there which stands out and it’s the CL, but none of us would want Di Matteo here.
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I’d still take him. We can only dream of reaching the CL semis!
It's a no from me.
It boggles my mind how anyone can come out and with a straight face suggest Graham Potter. At least there aren't many of those...Tuchel loses CL semi final….
Appears Southgate Potter fans have come out swinging
It isn't though, is it? Southgate has failed as an England manager, considering he has an incredibly talented squad and still managed to lose three games in the run to the WC semi to the only two good teams he faced. On top of that, he's failed to beat a single top team in a tournament bar Germany, who were in the midst of their worst ever spell.
We need a manager who can make the difference in crunch games - the Euro final alone should be example enough of how out of depth Southgate is at an elite level (swap Southgate and Mancini and England batter Italy). Bringing on a cold Sancho and Rashford for penalties is mind-boggling incompetence to this day.
I'm not the biggest fan of Tuchel, but he's a far superior manager.
Sure... surefecking hell, listing the Bundesliga as Bayern manager & Ligue 1 + a bunch of French cups as PSG manager as some noticeable achievements, are you being serious man? Every single manager at both clubs over the past decade has titles, they are freebies.
Galtier got himself a ligue 1 title in 2023, he now manages in the Qatari league.
Kovač has as many Bundesliga titles as Tuchel.
And don’t get me started on the bloody super cup (Villareal) or WCC (Palmeiras) man
He’s left every club since Mainz in a worse state season on season, his two points total seasons at Bayern have been the worst of the past decade. In two full seasons at the second easiest club job in Europe, he needed a last day capitulation from Dortmund to even scrape out with one title.
There’s one title in there which stands out and it’s the CL, but none of us would want Di Matteo here.
I really don't like all the moaning and referee blaming since yesterday, Is what we want at our club ?
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Yes, wish our manager had the balls to call out all the shit decisions we got this season.
I'm not a Southgate fan myself but I simply don't see how Tuchel is far superior to Southgate. Tuchel is delivering Bayern Munich's first trophyless season in more than a decade in a country where its harder for Bayern to go trophyless than not. Every single team he has coached was worse off than when he joined. Dortmund, PSG, Chelsea, Bayern. What about any of that screams superiority?
The same arguments that were used to justify why Ten Hag was the right hire are the same arguments being used for Tuchel. One-off Champions League run amd some cheap domestic league titles. The actual patterns that have been established everywhere he has been (and that offer the best prediction of how he will perform if hired) are being wilfully ignored all in the name tROphIeS.
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He made some terrible substitutions last night, so would fit right in at United.
It'll probably be forgotten in the aftermath of the choke narrative but Bayern would've cruised through if they could have scored on that simple counter they had at 1-0.
Probably? He's on a different planet in terms of managerial ability. You really think we'd be getting pushed around by championship teams and getting humiliated regularly under Tuchel?
After going through this thread, i can't help but laugh. You have some people doing everything to claim that Tuchel isn't that good, wouldn't improve us that much, not for the long term etc
I guess we're doing so well that some people here are willing to turn down one of the best managers around. Nevermind we're actually 8th in the league, get spanked around every week while having a negative GD and about to set a record for the number of losses in the PL. We struggle to score in games and can't defend either, but let's turn down the manager who managed to limit Chelsea to just FOUR goals conceded in their Champions league winning campaign, we would rather concede 15 in the group stage alone.
Tuchel is a cup expert (just take a look at his cup runs with Chelsea), got Psg to a cL final, actually won it Chelsea and was minutes away from getting Bayern to yet another CL final before Neuer got Real Madrid back into it. He's also proven that he can compete for the top 4 in the PL while making Chelsea one of the toughest teams to score against in the PL. This is the manager we don't want? Seriously? Well I guess we'd better wait for Guardiola or Klopp with the type of expectations some users on here have.
Anyone but tuchel, good manager but not what we need right now.