West Ham United 2:0 Manchester United

el3mel · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
So we should do a Watford and sack manager every 6 months?

"6 months" The guy has been here since last December. He's 3 months away from completing a full year.

And anyway we sacked Moyes 8 months in charge.

The guy is a dead man walking. Him getting the sack is inevitable.

Alemar · Sep 22, 2019

el3mel said:
The guy is a dead man walking. Him getting the sack is inevitable.

The guy wants the sack, apparently. Otherwise he wouldn’t ever play Matic, Mata and Young

dev1l · Sep 22, 2019

el3mel said:
"6 months" The guy has been here since last December. He's 3 months away from completing a full year.

And anyway we sacked Moyes 8 months in charge.

The guy is a dead man walking. Him getting the sack is inevitable.

Sacking a manager after 9 months does not make sense - there are certa links changes that must be done first.

If you think getting another manager will solve our problems, you re clearly deluded.
The team is suffering from long years of mismanagement and short term.fixes - like sacking the manager to cover the club s incompetence.
Since Fergie left, there was a complete chaos with Woody trying to solve issues by throwing money to problems without any coherent plan
Ole may not be our saviour but we must let him finish off the changes - then when these are done, someone will eventually replace him
But right now, it s too early

el3mel · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
Sacking a manager after 9 months does not make sense - there are certa links changes that must be done first.

If you think getting another manager will solve our problems, you re clearly deluded.
The team is suffering from long years of mismanagement and short term.fixes - like sacking the manager to cover the club s incompetence.
Since Fergie left, there was a complete chaos with Woody trying to solve issues by throwing money to problems without any coherent plan
Ole may not be our saviour but we must let him finish off the changes - then when these are done, someone will eventually replace him
But right now, it s too early

A new manager won't solve everything however Ole isn't the manager to take us forward even if we brought in Dof and got new owners. He's a terrible manager with zero style and no ideas at all. He's part of the problem. Excluding him out of this makes zero sense.

He won't get sacked now, but he will get sacked in December or best cases in May. It's inevitable.

dev1l · Sep 22, 2019

el3mel said:
A new manager won't solve everything however Ole isn't the manager to take us forward even if we brought in Dof and got new owners. He's a terrible manager with zero style and no ideas at all. He's part of the problem. Excluding him out of this makes zero sense.

He won't get sacked now, but he will get sacked in December or best cases in May. It's inevitable.

And we ll start from scratch.... Then 6 months down the line, the whining lot over here will start calling for the new manager s head.....

el3mel · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
And we ll start from scratch.... Then 6 months down the line, the whining lot over here will start calling for the new manager s head.....

You are making it like because we criticize the manager We are defending Woodward. We can criticize both, and that's what is happening actually. We need both gone. Just because Woodward is shite means Ole is the right manager for us. You are deflecting the blame but it's easy to deduce why he won't be the manager to take us forward watching our games even when we get competent Dof.

passing-wind · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
Sacking a manager after 9 months does not make sense - there are certa links changes that must be done first.

If you think getting another manager will solve our problems, you re clearly deluded.
The team is suffering from long years of mismanagement and short term.fixes - like sacking the manager to cover the club s incompetence.
Since Fergie left, there was a complete chaos with Woody trying to solve issues by throwing money to problems without any coherent plan
Ole may not be our saviour but we must let him finish off the changes - then when these are done, someone will eventually replace him
But right now, it s too early

What sense does it make "letting him finish off the changes" of what ? Having us finish outside top four and possibly worst ? If Solskjaer isn't here to close the gap between top four and challenging in the long term why is he here. He's a fantastic stop gap, fan favourite, friendly, has a smile until we have a proper coach come in.

dev1l · Sep 22, 2019

el3mel said:
You are making it like because we criticize the manager We are defending Woodward. We can criticize both, and that's what is happening actually. We need both gone. Just because Woodward is shite means Ole is the right manager for us. You are deflecting the blame but it's easy to deduce why he won't be the manager to take us forward watching our games even when we get competent Dof.

You re free to criticise anyone you want to. My argument is that changing managers frequently won't solve anything.
There are some major changes which should be done first, then change manager. Doing these changes will effect team negatively in short term but team will benefit long term
Eg giving younger players a chance - there is a learning curve and young players tend to be inconsistent. Ole love him or hate him is doing this, and I m sure team will benefit from this in the future

George The Best · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
So we should do a Watford and sack manager every 6 months?

Not unless there’s a better one available and who wants the job. Why anybody would want it at the moment is hard to imagine.

el3mel · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
You re free to criticise anyone you want to. My argument is that changing managers frequently won't solve anything.
There are some major changes which should be done first, then change manager. Doing these changes will effect team negatively in short term but team will benefit long term
Eg giving younger players a chance - there is a learning curve and young players tend to be inconsistent. Ole love him or hate him is doing this, and I m sure team will benefit from this in the future

He's not giving young players chance in the league. They play about last 10 minutes or so. If we are going to wait for EL and EFL to give them regular game time, this isn't called "development".

dev1l · Sep 22, 2019

passing-wind said:
What sense does it make "letting him finish off the changes" of what ? Having us finish outside top four and possibly worst ? If Solskjaer isn't here to close the gap between top four and challenging in the long term why is he here. He's a fantastic stop gap, fan favourite, friendly, has a smile until we have a proper coach come in.

Changes like giving younger players a chance... Which his prede

el3mel said:
He's not giving young players chance in the league. They play about last 10 minutes or so. If we are going to wait for EL and EFL to give them regular game time, this isn't called "development".

Yes it s development... Step by step.
I think when we had full team we had the youngest starting 11

el3mel · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
Changes like giving younger players a chance... Which his prede

Yes it s development... Step by step.
I think when we had full team we had the youngest starting 11

Not really. It's completely the opposite. He's not giving them enough game time even though he was selling the idea of playing youth, but then he brings one of them each game in last 10 minutes or so. LVG at least was throwing them left, right and center when injuries were happening.

It's a more reason to think this is all pointless and we are just wasting everyone's time. No good football, no results and not giving youth chances.

dev1l · Sep 22, 2019

el3mel said:
Not really. It's completely the opposite. He's not giving them enough game time even though he was selling the idea of playing youth, but then he brings one of them each game in last 10 minutes or so. LVG at least was throwing them left, right and center when injuries were happening.

It's a more reason to think this is all pointless and we are just wasting everyone's time. No good football, no results and not giving youth chances.

That s your opinion mate. I like the way they re being drafted in. It s only September...

Amerifan · Sep 22, 2019

mitchmouse said:
of course much less likely with us but the answer of course for chelsea is that Abramovich came along. they were in huge danger at the time with ken bates in charge. liverpool were bigger and on safer ground as we are but I bet Bolton fans (if asked) probably felt safe 60 years ago (of course times have changed) but on a more immediate note our brand seems to be fading, the club's heart seems to have been ripped out and the planning for the future seems to be non-existant... as I said: it could happen, not would. but certainly we have already become less attractive to the TV companies (by being out of the title race)

Expanding the Top 4 to the Top 6 so we have a slot will only carry us so far. Top 8 or Top 10 would be absurd. So we will have to invest heavily or face the very real possibility of losing relevance. Next summer will necessarily need to be a very different level of spend.

passing-wind · Sep 22, 2019

dev1l said:
Changes like giving younger players a chance... Which his prede

Yes it s development... Step by step.
I think when we had full team we had the youngest starting 11

How many young players have drastically improved under Ole who also featured under Mourinho ? Mctomminay's progression has stagnated, he cannot play in a midfield two. Barring James who's played less than 5 games there's no one. Wan Bissaka was a machine at palace so he's void of the argument, we purchased one of the best fullbacks in Europe irrespective of his experiance. Let's look at our most promising youth talents Gomes, Chong, Greenwood and Garner. None of them have made a smooth transition into first team football. Solskjaer has spoken about Greenwood like he's the La Masia Messi, yet he's hardly featured, even with Rashford being in terrible form and Martials injury Ole hasn't provided him enough opportunities. Everything about Ole being praised by fans and the media is a lie, we do not play attacking football, we have not successfully promoted any youth, no outfield players have improved under Solskjaer's tenure he's failed to accommodate them tactically.

Nicoseth · Sep 22, 2019

Seriously what is the point in sacking Ole? Yes - the squad is shit, yes - we're not playing well but who do you replace him with? What makes anyone think they would do any better or be backed in the next transfer window? We need to stand by Ole. It's not great right now but I think it will get better and if not then it's not his fault(al least largely not his fault).

Bestietom · Sep 22, 2019

A new manager is not going to fix things unless he is promised 500 million, which is what it is going to take to get back challenging for titles.
It's players we need, and the very best out there.

wolvored · Sep 22, 2019

I hope the next manager has it in his contract that Utd will fund the players he demands (within reason) every season, otherwise the next 5 years will be exactly the same as the last

wolvored · Sep 22, 2019

passing-wind said:
How many young players have drastically improved under Ole who also featured under Mourinho ? Mctomminay's progression has stagnated, he cannot play in a midfield two. Barring James who's played less than 5 games there's no one. Wan Bissaka was a machine at palace so he's void of the argument, we purchased one of the best fullbacks in Europe irrespective of his experiance. Let's look at our most promising youth talents Gomes, Chong, Greenwood and Garner. None of them have made a smooth transition into first team football. Solskjaer has spoken about Greenwood like he's the La Masia Messi, yet he's hardly featured, even with Rashford being in terrible form and Martials injury Ole hasn't provided him enough opportunities. Everything about Ole being praised by fans and the media is a lie, we do not play attacking football, we have not successfully promoted any youth, no outfield players have improved under Solskjaer's tenure he's failed to accommodate them tactically.

I agree with you. I was all for giving him a chance and up to today still thought that. When you look at the game today there is no gameplan, there is no tactical nous, there is no change in play to adapt. It was like watching a poor VG game at times. This will happen again and again this season.

RedMilo · Sep 22, 2019

How the feck is AWB getting 41% of the votes for MOTM. Yes he can tackle but ffs, he offers nothing going forward. Dire performance all round. Really need Shaw, Pogba & Martial back quickly otherwise we are going to get left behind.

Adcuth · Sep 22, 2019

RedMilo said:
How the feck is AWB getting 41% of the votes for MOTM. Yes he can tackle but ffs, he offers nothing going forward. Dire performance all round. Really need Shaw, Pogba & Martial back quickly otherwise we are going to get left behind.

This is why I'd think ole would go 442 with this squad. AWB is a full back, NOT a wing back. Rashford can be a 2nd striker but not a line leader. Personally I'd go 4411.

Martial
Gomes

James Fred Mctominay Lingard

Shaw Maguire Lindelof AWB

De Gea

JMack1234 · Sep 23, 2019

Is Ole the man to take us forward- after evaluating all the evidence you'd have to say no. You've got his period in charge from his first game to PSG in one column and his entire career in before and after in another.

Would sacking Ole now help matters? Absolutely not. It would probably make them worse if everything, give Ole the season and get rid in June if we're still as bad as we are right now.

Jonno · Sep 23, 2019

Rozay said:
It’s not hard. We sold one and promoted another.

Greenwood was on the frigging pitch last season for the first team, how does that mean he is an addition this season if he was an addition last season?

Last season we had Lukaku, Rashford, Matrial and Greenwood
This season we have Rashford, Matrial and Greenwood.

Ole has left us very light.

I think you're finding it very hard.

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