Champions League Group F

Villarreal 0:2 Manchester United

Estadio de la Cerámica

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    The words deckchairs and titanic come to mind when I think about the lineup.
     
    I know the first change I’d make to United’s recent teams, but I don’t sense the same Ole-less set of coaching staff will be the ones to move on from De Gea.
     
    1-1 Villareal are nothing special, we will have some sort of bounce from the sacking, draw will be fine for our purposes.
     
    Sassy Colin said:
    To who?
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    Henderson for sure right now. He deserves a proper shot at it and we have nothing to lose by giving him it. By the end of the season, I at least want to know whether I am continuing with Henderson or looking to buy a new keeper.

    De Gea absolutely has no future as a top level goalkeeper. He’s liable in every aspect of his game bar shot-stopping.

    How we went from a position of strength with an in-form De Gea, Romero as an excellent #2 and Henderson developing nicely on loan to where we are now is embarrassing.
     
    Real Name said:
    Was defining a playing philosophy really his task?
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    Honestly, with the kind of mess this club is, I have no idea if anybody is really responsible for anything, but as the technical director of a major club, that is what Fletcher SHOULD be responsible for. In reality, I don't even know wtf he has been doing, if anything at all. Could be that he is just a guy who calls up potential recruits and tells them how nice United is. That really isn't what the extent of technical director's responsibilities should be though. Sigh
     
    TMDaines said:
    Henderson for sure right now. He deserves a proper shot at it and we have nothing to lose by giving him it. By the end of the season, I at least want to know whether I am continuing with Henderson or looking to buy a new keeper.

    De Gea absolutely has no future as a top level goalkeeper. He’s liable in every aspect of his game bar shot-stopping.

    How we went from a position of strength with an in-form De Gea, Romero as an excellent #2 and Henderson developing nicely on loan to where we are now is embarrassing.
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    If you think the last few defeats have been embarrassing, imagine how it would have been without De Gea.

    I mean, fecking hell :wenger:
     
    SamVimes said:
    Why? Do you think Carrick is actually going to change anything? He has been part of the problem.
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    There is always a bounce. I have zero desire for Carrick but the next few games will now have a different outcome regardless. Probably not Chelsea though.
     
    BluesJr said:
    There is always a bounce. I have zero desire for Carrick but the next few games will now have a different outcome regardless. Probably not Chelsea though.
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    What do you mean there is always a bounce?
     
    PoTMS said:
    What do you mean there is always a bounce?
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    Whenever a manager is sacked/a new one comes in there’s always usually some sort of reaction and I’m pretty confident we’ll get a result in this game now. We would have lost with Ole.
     
    BluesJr said:
    There is always a bounce. I have zero desire for Carrick but the next few games will now have a different outcome regardless. Probably not Chelsea though.
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    The players have been listening to his voice as part of the failed regime. He is not the new Manager, just a face to front up for the next game. This does not lend itself to a "bounce".
     
    Sassy Colin said:
    If you think the last few defeats have been embarrassing, imagine how it would have been without De Gea.

    I mean, fecking hell :wenger:
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    In all seriousness, much of United’s frailties at the back stem from having a one-dimensional goalkeeper. He cannot confidently move and pass the ball when we are being pressed, he cannot distribute it accurately over distance, he is a non-entity when defending set pieces and has no natural inclination to rush out. The goals might not be directly contributable to De Gea, but they are a symptom of his lack of contribution. Would you want to be a defender in a team with David De Gea?

    De Gea hasn’t even been in good shot-stopping form over this run. We’d have conceded fewer with even average shot stopping too.
     
    2-2 draw this one. Donny should start and Sancho on the right. Just now though, we couldn’t beat the Dog and Duck sunday team so a draw would be a good result.
     
    Don't expect much different. Players who don't deserve to keep their place will continue to start.
     
    I should feel more excited about this after finally getting rid of Ole... but its Carrick and the rest of the same staff, so I don't expect any difference. At least I can go back to wanting us to win. With Ole here, you just knew that any win would mean he is safe to stay on and lead us nowhere. Such a sad state of affairs when you have to hope for a defeat bad enough that the board will decide to pull the plug on the manager, so at least that's over with. Not sure what hope we'll have for anything this season with them seemingly having no clue on what to do next.

    I'll be optimistic for Uniteds future if we get Zidane as interim through the Ronaldo links and then bring in Ten Hag next summer. If our next full time manager is Pochettino or Rodgers, I'll be pessimistic about the club again. Wait and see I guess.

    For this game... I dunno. What does Carrick know. He'll probably just pick the same as Ole, pretty sure Ole just trusted Carrick and McKenna and Phelan so I think all 4 would be equally shit.
     
    I would be more than happy with a draw. We're a mess even with Ole leaving (his staff continue so expect same kind of performances) and usually struggle against Spanish teams.
     
    We need to win. Not doing so puts extra pressure on the last match as all three will most likely be level on 8pts.

    I expect Carrick will go 3 at the back in order to prepare for Chelsea. Outside of that, I really don’t see any ground breaking changes here. Certainly don’t see any kind of bounce.
     
    I hope Carrick isn't just an extension of Ole. Really hope he grows a pair and starts with Donny and Sancho, and we don't get more of this McFred nonsense.
     
    Time to rock the boat.

    ........... Henderson

    Bissaka - Bailly - Maguire - Telles

    Fernandes - Fred - Donny

    Sancho - Ronaldo - Lingard
     
    Dave
    Bissaka Bailly Maguire Telles
    Bruno Donny Fred
    Sancho Ronaldo Rashford
     
    This needs to be a statement match. A message to United fans that things are changing in a major way.

    De Gea

    AWB
    Bailly
    Lindelof
    Telles

    VDB
    Bruno
    Fred

    Sancho
    Lingard
    Ronaldo (C)

    VDB needs to start from here on out. We need to convince him to stick around and be an integral part of the midfield moving forward.
     
    villain said:
    I had a shocker too, not sure how I held on to the top spot, i'm definitely losing it this week!
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    Bloody Carrick :D Who knows what he'll come out with!

    Could be a total shake up to send a message or it could be a carbon copy of a Ole line-up.
     
    Carrick and co won't take any risks, they'll go mostly with the standard Ole 11 bar the inclusion of VdB surely, hopefully we'll nick a point.


     
    De Gea

    AWB Lindelof Bailly Shaw

    VDB Fred

    Sancho Bruno Martial

    Ronaldo


    Far from ideal. I'd love to see AWB and Shaw dropped but the magnitude of the game means that'd be suicidal.
     
    NewGlory said:
    I believe, Fletcher's first big test was summer transfer video, where he had responsibility to define United's playing philosophy and guide recruitment accordingly. Considering that we ended up with too many attackers, players all over the field who we have no idea what to do with, and never recruited anybody as DM, the position most needed, we can say he failed his first big test completely and miserably.

    As for, Fletcher as coach/manager, the person whose entire managerial experience is 6mo as under-16 coach, and 6mo as first-team coach, having him even as interim is a disastrous solution.
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    If he’s still here in a fortnight, fine, complain then. But it’s nonsensical to complain when we sacked our manager on Sunday and the team are travelling abroad 24 hours later. Who else are we getting in at that notice?
     
    SirAF said:
    Bloody Carrick :D Who knows what he'll come out with!

    Could be a total shake up to send a message or it could be a carbon copy of a Ole line-up.
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    There'll be something different for sure, I think Donny starts - only questions are the formation and whether its Rashford or McTominay/Matic who's dropped for him - my bet is McTominay right now. But we'll see.
     
    villain said:
    There'll be something different for sure, I think Donny starts - only questions are the formation and whether its Rashford or McTominay/Matic who's dropped for him - my bet is McTominay right now. But we'll see.
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    Definitely!
     
    largelyworried said:
    If he’s still here in a fortnight, fine, complain then. But it’s nonsensical to complain when we sacked our manager on Sunday and the team are travelling abroad 24 hours later. Who else are we getting in at that notice?
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    Are you being serious?

    After Liverpool 5-0 and City 2-0 any sane club would have interim replacement lined up, terms agreed and ready to go short of signing. Spurs got Conte, permanent manager, immediately after 3-0 defeat with us, single horrible game, we had series of horrible games and didn't have even interim lined-up?

    How can you possibly excuse this crap?
     
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Score Predictions

70,77,75
  • Man Utd win
  • Villarreal win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 20% Villarreal 1:1 Man Utd
  • 16% Villarreal 1:2 Man Utd
  • 12% Villarreal 2:0 Man Utd
  • 9% Villarreal 2:1 Man Utd
  • 8% Villarreal 2:2 Man Utd
  • 6% Villarreal 0:0 Man Utd
  • 5% Villarreal 0:2 Man Utd
  • 5% Villarreal 3:1 Man Utd
  • 4% Villarreal 3:0 Man Utd
  • 3% Villarreal 1:3 Man Utd
  • 3% Villarreal 1:0 Man Utd
  • 2% Villarreal 0:1 Man Utd
  • 2% Villarreal 2:3 Man Utd
  • 1% Villarreal 4:1 Man Utd
  • 1% Villarreal 5:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Villarreal 0:3 Man Utd
  • 0% Villarreal 4:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Villarreal 2:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Villarreal 1:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Villarreal 1:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Villarreal 0:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Villarreal 3:2 Man Utd
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Match Stats

  1. Villarreal
  2. Man Utd
Possession
51% 49%
Shots
13 11
Shots on Target
3 6
Corners
8 6
Fouls
9 5

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Dr. Felix Brych

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