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    It’s the first game, Pogba can wait to start, we knew what worked before lockdown, don’t change It in the first game.

    ———————martial———————-
    Rashford——-Bruno————James
    ——-Mctominay——Fred—————
    ———————-Back 5———————-

    Greenwood, Pogba and Ighalo to come on depending on game necessity.

    Trust is key and I trust this team in terms of work-rate and cutting edge.

    Control the first 70 and annihilate them with our subs. I’m sure Pogba wants to pay mourning back also..

    If going with what worked before lockdown it should be Matic and Fred in the double pivot. McTominay hadn’t reasserted himself as a first choice pick when play was suspended.
     
    It’s the first game, Pogba can wait to start, we knew what worked before lockdown, don’t change It in the first game.

    ———————martial———————-
    Rashford——-Bruno————James
    ——-Mctominay——Fred—————
    ———————-Back 5———————-

    Greenwood, Pogba and Ighalo to come on depending on game necessity.

    Trust is key and I trust this team in terms of work-rate and cutting edge.

    Control the first 70 and annihilate them with our subs. I’m sure Pogba wants to pay mourning back also..

    Lockdown was a long time ago. We obviously need to pick the best team available now, not the best team available two and a half months ago.
     
    Lockdown was a long time ago. We obviously need to pick the best team available now, not the best team available two and a half months ago.

    I believe that is our best team to play Tottenham. Pogba can earn his place in the following game
     
    I believe that is our best team to play Tottenham. Pogba can earn his place in the following game

    Given how he has wanted away for a long time and been injured so much, I worry about how much Pogba will be "in" these next few games and everything that is at stake for United. Champions League qualification is absolutely vital for getting the kind of players (Sancho) this summer who the club wants in order to get back to the top. Pogba has been injured, or trained, this season, that's basically it, and with the break as well I wonder if he's going to get on the pitch and trot around and be sluggish, pulling out the odd brilliant pass. I know Fred and McTominay will get after the other team and compete properly in midfield with the kind of physicality that has been key in United's best performances this season.
     
    Who the hell is he ? Have I been asleep that long that I have forgotten star players ?

    Edit. We are + rashford and Pogba so feck them when has Kane ever had a good game v us ?
    Bergwijn is a good talent from PSV who scored on his debut vs City. Kane has scored twice against us now.

    i was just saying now Spurs’ best players are fully fit the odds are longer than what they were before lockdown as even without Rashford and Pogba we were bang on it and they were looking dire.
     
    As long as we do not have any good RW/ RF, i would prefer a 4-2-2-2 or a 4-4-2 diamond. But I think Ole will use the 4-2-3-1 or the 5-3-2

    5-3-2
    de Gea
    Wan Bissaka - Bailly - Maguire - Shaw - William
    McTominay
    Pogba
    Fernandes
    Rashford
    Martial
    or 4-4-2
    de Gea
    Wan Bissaka - Bailly - Maguire - Shaw
    McTominay
    Fred Pogba
    Fernandes
    Rashford
    Martial
    or 4 - 2- 2-2

    de Gea
    Wan Bissaka - Bailly - Maguire - Shaw
    Fred McTominay
    Fernandes Pogba
    Rashford
    Martial
    or 4 - 2-3-1

    de Gea
    Wan Bissaka - Bailly - Maguire - Shaw
    Fred Pogba
    Greenwood (James) Fernandes Rashford
    Martial
     
    I believe that is our best team to play Tottenham. Pogba can earn his place in the following game

    He can't earn anything until he plays. Ole won't be making team choices based on pettiness about agents and that sort of thing. He'll be assessing who the best men for the job are in training. Maybe that will be Pogba, or maybe it won't.
     
    Someone should change the 'Next Game' banner on the home page, since the game is 6/19 not 3/15. Are fans allowed? Where is the game being played?
     
    We know how Mourinho will approach this and I think a midfield 3 of Pogba/Fernandes/one other might be a little risky

    Think I'd start with Pogba and Fernandes in free roles. Jose will play 2 DM and it will free up space for a box to box player like Fred or McT. As the players tire the likes of James, Greenwood etc could really capitalise

    think I'd start

    ------------------back 5---------------------
    ------------Fred--------Matic-------------
    --------Fernandes----Pogba----------
    ----------Martial--Rashford-----------
     
    Right I've updated the match details so the kick-off is correct now. However, I still need to do some work to get the lineup prediction league working with 5 subs :nervous:
     
    Right I've updated the match details so the kick-off is correct now. However, I still need to do some work to get the lineup prediction league working with 5 subs :nervous:

    Thanks Niall. Finally can submit my lineup!
     
    Right I've updated the match details so the kick-off is correct now. However, I still need to do some work to get the lineup prediction league working with 5 subs :nervous:
    Took your sweet time :angel:
     
    With Bruno in and the attack finally having a bit of quality, there isn't as much of a burden on Pogba to be the only creative outlet, so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to function well in a deeper role like he did for France at the WC. We just need to get the defensive balance in the midfield right.
     
    I think it'll be a pivot with Ole's usual formation of 4231. McTominay or Matic probably join Pogba in that pivot.

    Diamonds are for teams with attacking fullbacks to provide the width. Our fullbacks are more defensive, so we should be playing a 4123, with the forwards providing the width in my opinion. Ole is possibly more likely to play 4213, but then again we've never seen him try and fit Pogba and Bruno into the same side so we don't know how we'll play that.
     
    I think it'll be a pivot with Ole's usual formation of 4231. McTominay or Matic probably join Pogba in that pivot.
    I'd say a pivot right now with Pogba in it is a bit risky to try against a tougher opponent. Then again it's what we played against Chelsea but that was after a full preseason
     
    Diamond makes no sense with such lethargic full backs. Will be the normal pivot with pace on the wings.
     
    --------------Martial

    Rashford--Bruno--James

    ------Pogba-------McTominay

    Shaw-Maguire-Lindelof-AWB
    ------------------DDG


    Greenwood, Ighalo, Fred, Matic, Mata, Williams, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Romero
     
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    I'd say a pivot right now with Pogba in it is a bit risky to try against a tougher opponent. Then again it's what we played against Chelsea but that was after a full preseason
    Honestly even during Mou's time and Ole after him, every time we've had a full squad neither had hesitated to play Pogba in a pivot in big games. Ole has mostly come to deviate from the 4231 because he didn't have the full squad available but when everyone is fit he still favor the 4231.

    Remember we played Chelsea at the start of the season with a pivot of Pogba and Scott while Lingard occupied that 10 spot. Ole kept that formation until we got ravaged by injuries so he needed a lot of tweek to make up for them.

    Unlike what these boards seem to believe, managers(Jose or Ole) never had any problem playing Pogba in a 2 against the big sides, in fact it's their go to formation when everyone is fit and I don't see it changing. The difference I see that'll be between that Chelsea game at the start of the season(4-0 win) and the upcoming game against Tottenham will be Bruno replacing Perreira.

    Diamonds are for teams with attacking fullbacks to provide the width. Our fullbacks are more defensive, so we should be playing a 4123, with the forwards providing the width in my opinion. Ole is possibly more likely to play 4213, but then again we've never seen him try and fit Pogba and Bruno into the same side so we don't know how we'll play that.
    I actually think fitting Bruno and Pogba will be a piece of cake and seamless. It's basically that formation that thumped Chelsea at the start of the season but now you just replace Perreira with Bruno, the rest remains the same.
     
    Since their manager is Mou, their likeliest lineup...?

    Lloris
    Aurier -- Alderweireld -- Sanchez -- Vertonghen
    Dier -- Sissoko
    Lamela/Moura -- Dele Alli -- Son
    Kane
    Alli is probably the only dangerman here, depending on who we pick at midfield. McT and it'll be fine. Fred or Matic and it'll be risky. AWB can handle Son. Doubt Son will be on their RW, to contain Rashford. Moura if he play and perform well may create problems to our left side of defense. James pace can create problems to Vertonghen.
     
    This please:

    De Gea
    AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
    Fred
    Bruno --- Pogba
    Greenwood --------------------- Rashford
    Martial

    Subs - Williams, James, Ighalo​
     
    This please:

    De Gea
    AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
    Fred
    Bruno --- Pogba
    Greenwood --------------------- Rashford
    Martial

    Subs - Williams, James, Ighalo​
    By the way, teams are allowed 5 subs.
     
    This please:

    De Gea
    AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
    Fred
    Bruno --- Pogba
    Greenwood --------------------- Rashford
    Martial

    Subs - Williams, James, Ighalo​

    I'd agree with most of that but I think he's more likely to go with McTominay and unlikely to start Greenwood against a Mourinho side so I'd say he'll start James for his pace.

    You've got 5 subs for these Covid games btw. If you start Fred, would you not bring on McT for some energy in the last half an hour?
     
    Diamonds are for teams with attacking fullbacks to provide the width. Our fullbacks are more defensive, so we should be playing a 4123, with the forwards providing the width in my opinion. Ole is possibly more likely to play 4213, but then again we've never seen him try and fit Pogba and Bruno into the same side so we don't know how we'll play that.

    Last year's diamond vs Spurs with Rashford and Martial pushing high and wide at pace worked quite well so could be repeated.
     
    This please:

    De Gea
    AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
    Fred
    Bruno --- Pogba
    Greenwood --------------------- Rashford
    Martial

    Subs - Williams, James, Ighalo​
    Cant play without a proper DM when up against Kane, Son and Dele
     
    I believe that is our best team to play Tottenham. Pogba can earn his place in the following game

    This is the Premier League, not some school team where the best player is benched bacause he came late to practice last week. Pogba starts if he’s fit, he’s our best player, levels above all our other central midfielders even with his hands tied to his back.We’re potentially 6th for god’s sake, no more time to waste.
     
    - - - - - - - - - - De Gea - - - - - - - - - -
    AWB - - Bailly - Maguire - - Shaw
    - - - - - Matic - - - - - Pogba - - - - -
    - - - - - - - - Fernandes - - - - - - - - -
    James - - - Martial - - - Rashford

    Ighalo, Greenwood, McTominay, Lindelof and Williams subbed on.
     
    I'd agree with most of that but I think he's more likely to go with McTominay and unlikely to start Greenwood against a Mourinho side so I'd say he'll start James for his pace.

    You've got 5 subs for these Covid games btw. If you start Fred, would you not bring on McT for some energy in the last half an hour?
    By the way, teams are allowed 5 subs.

    Forgot about the 5 subs. McTominay and Mata so.
     
    This please:

    De Gea
    AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
    Fred
    Bruno --- Pogba
    Greenwood --------------------- Rashford
    Martial

    Subs - Williams, James, Ighalo​
    Would love to see this, yes. It'll more likely be James in place of Greenwood. Wouldn't be surprised to see something like a McT, Fred, Pogba, Bruno diamond either.
     
    So this is happening then. What a massive test for OGS.
     
    Since their manager is Mou, their likeliest lineup...?

    Lloris
    Aurier -- Alderweireld -- Sanchez -- Vertonghen
    Dier -- Sissoko
    Lamela/Moura -- Dele Alli -- Son
    Kane
    Alli is probably the only dangerman here, depending on who we pick at midfield. McT and it'll be fine. Fred or Matic and it'll be risky. AWB can handle Son. Doubt Son will be on their RW, to contain Rashford. Moura if he play and perform well may create problems to our left side of defense. James pace can create problems to Vertonghen.
    I would favour Davies and Winks to start instead of Dier and Vertonghen.

    Sanchez was not involved in their training match, so maybe he is injured and Vertonghen or Dier could play as center back alongside Toby. Lo Celso did not participate either, but if he is fit for the game, I assume he will start as he was Spurs´ best performer before the break, likely instead of Moura or Sissoko. Maybe even Ndombele could feature if he does well in training, from what I saw from the training match he looked a lot leaner and more agile than during the season.
     
    What's with the question marks about Pogba and Bruno being in the same lineup? It literally doesn't make sense.
    Pogba has been one of the two central midfielders in the 4-2-3-1 formation with a number 10 ahead (Lingard, Pereira or Mata earlier in the season) and Bruno has played in the 10 role. So where's the issue? Pogba will obviously go beside Fred, McTominay or Matic and Bruno will continue in the 10 role.

    De Gea
    AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Shaw
    Matic--Pogba
    James--Bruno--Rashford
    Martial

    Right side is weak going forward but I think initially I'd prefer to start James on the right away to Tottenham than Greenwood. I think that's slightly to adventurous. James tracks back better too and is a bigger threat on the counter.​
     
    Would love to see this, yes. It'll more likely be James in place of Greenwood. Wouldn't be surprised to see something like a McT, Fred, Pogba, Bruno diamond either.
    Saw that mooted in the press too, How does that formation even work? I think it won't have enough width.
     
    What's with the question marks about Pogba and Bruno being in the same lineup? It literally doesn't make sense.
    Pogba has been one of the two central midfielders in the 4-2-3-1 formation with a number 10 ahead (Lingard, Pereira or Mata earlier in the season) and Bruno has played in the 10 role. So where's the issue? Pogba will obviously go beside Fred, McTominay or Matic and Bruno will continue in the 10 role.

    De Gea
    AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Shaw
    Matic--Pogba
    James--Bruno--Rashford
    Martial

    Right side is weak going forward but I think initially I'd prefer to start James on the right away to Tottenham than Greenwood. I think that's slightly to adventurous. James tracks back better too and is a bigger threat on the counter.

    That's pretty much the team I expect to see now.



    Saw that mooted in the press too, How does that formation even work? I think it won't have enough width.

    The width would have to come from Rashford and Martial pulling wide along with the fullbacks.

    Although I can't see Ole going for it as it leaves little on the bench for midfield replacements.
     
    What's with the question marks about Pogba and Bruno being in the same lineup? It literally doesn't make sense.
    Pogba has been one of the two central midfielders in the 4-2-3-1 formation with a number 10 ahead
    (Lingard, Pereira or Mata earlier in the season) and Bruno has played in the 10 role. So where's the issue? Pogba will obviously go beside Fred, McTominay or Matic and Bruno will continue in the 10 role.

    De Gea
    AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Shaw
    Matic--Pogba
    James--Bruno--Rashford
    Martial

    Right side is weak going forward but I think initially I'd prefer to start James on the right away to Tottenham than Greenwood. I think that's slightly to adventurous. James tracks back better too and is a bigger threat on the counter.​
    Same here. I have no idea where it's coming from. It has left me scratching my head. I think some people just want to find any issue with having Pogba featuring in the line up for some odd reasons. There can't be any reasonable explanation as to why it's inconceivable to some people to have both Pogba and Bruno feature together in the team when it's the most natural thing to do given the manager preferred formation.
     
    Same here. I have no idea where it's coming from. It has left me scratching my head. I think some people just want to find any issue with having Pogba featuring in the line up for some odd reasons. There can't be any reasonable explanation as to why it's inconceivable to some people to have both Pogba and Bruno feature together in the team when it's the most natural thing to do given the manager preferred formation.

    It's almost as if he bought Fernandes to improve a weak area of his first team.
     
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