Explain playing McT there, the guy is closer in terms of footballer to a CB than a 10. Explain replacing both CBs. Not having the right players should never be an excuse to make illogical decisions
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Newcastle United 2:0 Manchester United
St. James' Park
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Oh that chestnut. Something is wrong with you if you disagree with me. Andy Ritchie had him as our MOTM. Doesn’t say much but Sahitzer is definitely not our biggest problem and is a clear upgrade on McFred.We had a few good signings this year with Casemiro, Martinez and Eriksen but ETH needs more to build a good team.
I use my eyes, 22 passes from our midfielder is fecking pathetic. Can't have a good game being this invisible in a game. Andy Ritchie's opinion won't have more validation than hundreds of voters.
I never said he was the biggest problem, just 10000% sure he wasn't the best player
We are a different side with eriksen and casemeiro in midfield. Since losing eriksen we have been pretty poor.
Next season though with some investment (hopefully) ETH cannot be having these away day shambles. No shame in getting beat but the manner of the defeats has been depressing.
Maybe not our best but try picking anyone better. Most were worse that’s for sure. There’s just no point dicking on Sabitzer as an argument for playing McFred. Congratulations on having eyes by the way.
I'd go for DDG personally, saved us from another Anfield basically which says a lot about the entire team being cack tbh.
Sorry my little outburst btw, I was venting
yes, but that was in reaction to what he could see.. we hardly had any attacking threat today... it was a crazy decision, but it wasn't critical in our defeat. We were outplayed for 90mins.
It wasn't critical but it killed us off for sure. No hope of drawing when they scored the 2nd
I'd rather have Dominic Solanke or Danny Ings than someone who can't run and can't shoot.
If there's no money then play Rashford upfront and play another winger. Rashy ain't the perfect number 9 but he's a million times better than that stump.
ETH is in danger of chucking it all away. I don't think we will though and I expect us to recover but if he keeps picking that team we won't get top 4.
That's what I saw again today... the weakness in character amongst some members of the team.
We need some big players in, and to bus-load these freeloaders out. They don't care where they play, don't appreciate or want, really, really, really want success... just happy to get stupid rich playing for Man Utd.
I felt sorry for Rashford today. If he doesn't play, we have NOTHING up front. we have to rely on youngsters, Garnacho and Pellestri. It's annoying and embarrassing.
I think it was critical in our defeat. When those two CBs came off we failed to actually play out from the back at any point in the game, and the second goal that knocked the stuffing out of us was a consequence of having just one CB in the box.Top 4 still on our hands, losing today was a set back, but you could see it coming, this side without Casimero especially away from home is ordinary. And they had the result that was deserved. It was rubbish from start to finishManager got nothing right today. Everyone was a passenger. Petulant. Lazy.
Getting beat and outplayed doesn't mean fatigue is the reason.
2 +2 =5 logic and a poor excuse for the performance.
We've seen these players completely fresh, beginning of seasons, put the same performance in.
Wout hasn't got a goal in him at all. Antony isn't a goalscorer. Bruno's goals dried up two years ago. Rashford is inconsistent in goalscoring. Before Jan 23 he had 12 league goals in nearly two years. Sancho is a disaster. The team simply doesn't have enough threats.
Lots of these players have had breaks or not played more games than anyone else. There's no reason for them being more fatigued than Newcastle.
Yeah DDG good shout. No probs about any venting. I’m in a terrible mood after that game and my posts are very prickly!
Good points. We might not be fatigued but we sure looked it.
We do lack proper goal threats but the main problem is the midfield. If we can’t field our best two (Eriksen and Casemiro) we just can’t get hold of it. We have plenty of other problems and we can, at times, win without them but those two guys are both vital to the proper functioning of the team.
Thankfully you're not in charge. Cash in on our most productive and important player? Good lord.
I think teams always look tired when they play badly. It's a mental thing for the players.
I never watch a team play terribly, struggle to pass the ball, have no goal threat and think "they looked really fresh though"Rival fans cheering Newcastle when they are literally gonna be taking a Top 4 spot from them from the end of this season onwards
Yeah that’s probably right. I really meant that looking fatigued is as bad as actually being fatigued.
No, you're right, keepers are super human and should save everything.
Silly me.
I really should watch more football than the four games I've watched this weekend Gutted by this performance and this result. ETH has a lot of work ahead of himNo, you're right, keepers are super human and should save everything.
Silly me.
I really should watch more football than the four games I've watched this weekend
Have you actually seen this chance? How is it laughable to suggest that he should be claiming this cross?
No, you are right, he should be claiming everything In his box, shouldn't miss anything within a 6 foot radius. ..
Nothing about the fact he saved us before then with a double save.
But of course, DDG is the new McT or Maguire in terms of scapegoating, so yeah whatever.
This place is simply pathetic at times.
De Gea should be coming out to claim cross's like these and corners but always seems to be stuck to his line and often comes right up to his near post leaving most of the goal unguarded like he did on the first goal today.
So you are intentionally ignoring the chance I am talking about and making it about any cross that comes into his box.
What's pathetic is you going from one argument, and using the save before as the counter argument for some reason. And you were the one laughing at me for suggesting he should be claiming that cross.
Just admit you alwere wrong, it would be easier for you, I am done with this discussion anyway if you don't think he should be claiming that.
We made 95 sprints, Newcastle made 136. Why? Poor attitude or fatigue?
Totally agree that too many of our players are not good enough and that the poor performance has several reasons beside fatigue. But the number of games certainly plays a role.
Think lack of depth has a lot to do with it. I agree. Players have had a lot of games and very high intensity games. Newcastle and the like are not in Europe, they got knocked out of F.A. Cup early so do not need to rotate anyway.
No, you're right.
You know more about football than anyone.
Wish everyone on the Caf were as knowledgeable as you, would make for a much healthier discussion
Shows the impact he’s made on me
Why did Brentford out run us beginning of the season?
Have McTominay, Antony, Sabitzer, Dalot, Varane, Sancho had more games than the average player?
Rashford just had two weeks off. He had practically the enitre world cup off.
Shaw has played 3 more club games than Dan Burn. If he's that tired Malacia would be playing.
Bruno is the only player right now who could argue is physically pushed further than his comparables.
The problem isn't fatigue. It's a lack of quality once certain players are missing.
Our most important player? Over Casemiro? Good one. He's nowhere near as good as you claim he is, him being "our most productive player" says more about our terrible recruitment throughout the years than his own quality.
Then don't we have a problem that Shaw has just signed a new contract. Varane wasn't the problem yesterday, him and Martinez didn't play badly, the rest bar DDG and he is a problem at times as well certainly did. I do think a couple were carrying knocks, but this is what our wonderful owners and their cronies have left us with.
I stand by it - I still wouldn't have been happy just playing for a draw.
It doesn't mean we didn't play like crap yesterday, we did. But I'm annoyed in a different way than if we'd just shut up shop and desperately defended for 90-mins for a 0-0.
Also you seem very desperate for an I-told-you-so if you're dragging a pre-international break quote up on a 50-plus matchday thread...
He has played the most minutes by far and is second only to Rashford in the PL for goal involvements. He was shocking yesterday but he was out of position and also had a bad game.Tired? Fatigued? How can they be tired? Are they labouring on building sites during the week? Are they doing shifts in factories? They are pampered and spoiled and don't deserve the honour of putting on that shirt. Its not the getting beat that annoys Me, Its the attitude, walking around, jumping out of 50/50's They don't even bother to jump to win a ball in the air. I hope some of them are reading this thread. Useless S@$$$!
There's definitely a lack of motivation from the fringe players. I don't think you can totally discount fatigue, particularly the mental aspect of playing so many games, but famously this was the part of the season where you need to dig in and scrape through games if you want to be successful. You need your squad players to come in and show some fight, especially if they're not up to fully playing the way our manager wants the team to play.
They're just not doing that though, and that attitude is spreading to the players in the team who are actually quality. I think that's pretty much what Shaw was alluding to after the match yesterday. I get you though, it's so fecking frustrating to see. Losing without putting up any fight just shouldn't happen.
My hope is we can scrape through the next couple of games, get Casemiro and Eriksen back. Tony staying fit would also be a massive bonus. We obviously still need a new ST, but he's a far better player than Wout and allows EtH to start using Wout as a plan B, which was what he was originally signed for. Avoid any more injuries and EtH has a lot more to work with, and hopefully we finish the season strong.
Might be too late by then...but better to be optimistic.
He's shocking in most big games minus a few good performances here and there (Liverpool at home this season springs to mind) which is my point, how far are we going to get if one of out 2/3 best players is more often than not going to fall short during our bigger games?
But again I put this on our own recruitment, how is it that our best attacking options are all academy products and our starting CF is a player not good enough for Burnley? Bruno is a good complimentary piece who'd do a lot better with actual attacking threats in front of him but he's not the KDB/Odegaard type that's going to dictate play and control games.- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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27%
Lisandro Martinez
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8%
Antony
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5%
Anthony Martial
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4%
Raphael Varane
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3%
Facundo Pellistri
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2%
Wout Weghorst
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2%
Marcel Sabitzer
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1%
Scott McTominay
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1%
Bruno Fernandes
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1%
Diogo Dalot
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 216 ratings.
Score Predictions
115,32,58
- Man Utd win
- Newcastle win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 28% Newcastle 1:2 Man Utd
- 20% Newcastle 1:1 Man Utd
- 11% Newcastle 0:1 Man Utd
- 10% Newcastle 0:2 Man Utd
- 6% Newcastle 2:0 Man Utd
- 6% Newcastle 2:2 Man Utd
- 5% Newcastle 2:1 Man Utd
- 4% Newcastle 1:3 Man Utd
- 3% Newcastle 1:0 Man Utd
- 2% Newcastle 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Newcastle 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 2:3 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 3:0 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 0:3 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 9:0 Man Utd
- 0% Newcastle 0:9 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Newcastle
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 46% 54%
- Shots
- 22 6
- Shots on Target
- 6 1
- Corners
- 7 4
- Fouls
- 8 12
Referee
Stuart Attwell
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Facundo Pellistri
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replaced by Victor Lindelof
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replaced by Fred
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replaced by Jadon Sancho
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replaced by Anthony Martial
