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ETH looking unhappy. Sooner we get that other midfielder in the better. Sancho looked pretty good tonight. AWB MOTM?
Of course Onana was MOTM.
ETH looking unhappy. Sooner we get that other midfielder in the better. Sancho looked pretty good tonight. AWB MOTM?
Wow amazing hope you have a great time
Does that apply when it’s a clear indicators as to how referees ref the game?
Those are never penalties, should they be? I think so but they’re not and have never been
How anyone can argue that’s not a penalty is beyond me. It’s a shocking challenge
The ball had already bounced off the player’s head, so when Onana collided with them, it would not have affected the flight of the ball. If they awarded that as a penalty, then every time a keeper came off his line , an attacker would make contact and hit the deck. I think if Onana had clattered the guy before he got his head to the ball, it would have been a stronger case. Because Onana is allowed to use his hands/arms and outfield players are not, if his hands and arms make contact it isn’t a foul.Sky pundits thought it was/was/maybe. Hardly never.
The ball had already bounced off the player’s head, so when Onana collided with them, it would not have affected the flight of the ball. If they awarded that as a penalty, then every time a keeper came off his line , an attacker would make contact and hit the deck.
pretty good summaryVery poor watch considering how much optimism there was before the start.
However, I will take the positives.
We cannot play that shite again.
We cannot be that lethargic again.
We need to play a no9 down the middle.
Garnacho is an impact sub not a starter.
We got lucky tonight…… it will take that thanks.
What justification is there for that to be a penalty? Did the player get to the ball first and Onana clattered into him or were they both going for the ball, missed it and clattered into each other?
It was a 50/50 ball for either player to win and neither did. Would have made sense if player got to the ball first and Onana clattered him. Claiming that was a penalty is wild. There is a reason it wasn't given even after review. Folks ought to learn about the rules of the game.
Cheer up mate, we might lose at the weekend.
Any closer to answering how a goalkeeper taking a player out with the ball gone wasn't a penalty (to absolutely zero outrage, on account of it obviously not being a penalty) earlier in the game?"The PGMOL, the referees’ body, apologised to Wolverhampton Wanderers within minutes of their controversial 1-0 defeat away to Manchester United after the failure to award them a blatant injury-time penalty.
Wolves’ new head coach Gary O’Neil revealed that he had talked to the former referee Jonathan Moss who is now the Select Group 1 manager at the PGMOL.
“Having spoken to Jonathan Moss he has come out and apologised and said it was a blatant penalty,” O’Neil revealed. "
Any closer to answering how a goalkeeper taking a player out with the ball gone wasn't a penalty (to absolutely zero outrage, on account of it obviously not being a penalty) earlier in the game?
It is whataboutism, but it's relevant in the context of media stirring up a narrative that we get all the controversial decisions, a narrative which clearly influences referees' decision making. If the media narrative was "a poor performance from Simon Hooper saw both teams aggrieved at having penalties denied for similar incidents" and not "WOLVES ROBBED BY THE REFEREE AT OLD TRAFFORD", then that would have a wildly different impact on the referees' feelings going into our next games.I don't need one. A wrong decision somewhere else doesn't make this one right. That's whataboutery. I'm happy to take the points but when even the refs are apologising and suspending the on-pitch and VAR officials who made the decision, it's pretty clear we had a very lucky escape.
It is whataboutism, but it's relevant in the context of media stirring up a narrative that we get all the controversial decisions
Do you genuinely think it's irrelevant to the discussion (about the media frenzy regarding the decision, which will come to influence future decisions in our games) that a very similar incident happened the other way in literally the same game and nobody said a word about it?Fair. I just think it was a penalty. If everyone is honest then we don't get into those situations. If you're doing whataboutery then you've lost the argument.
Do you genuinely think it's irrelevant to the discussion (about the media frenzy regarding the decision, which will come to influence future decisions in our games) that a very similar incident happened the other way in literally the same game and nobody said a word about it?
That's the point. Nobody gave a shit because nobody's going to bat an eyelid at United not getting a penalty for a keeper making contact with a player long after he's played the ball past him. So there weren't fifteen replays of the incident, there was no VAR stoppage with another fifteen replays being shown and no media outrage over the non-decision.The only discussion I'm interested in is if it was a penalty. I can't even remember the other incident so can't have been all that.
Well it might be your point. It's not mine. Post a link of the other incident and I'll tell you if I think it's a penalty as well if that's what you want to discuss. But it won't change the fact that the Onana incident was.That's the point.
We're probably discussing different things, to be honest. I agree that the Onana incident should've been a pen and I've said that from the beginning in all the threads where it's been discussed. I'm mostly annoyed at the media outrage over them getting that call wrong (and the subsequent apologies etc) while nothing is said about a similar incident down the other end which will have future ramifications as we've seen in the past.Well it might be your point. It's not mine. Post a link of the other incident and I'll tell you if I think it's a penalty as well if that's what you want to discuss. But it won't change the fact that the Onana incident was.
We're probably discussing different things, to be honest. I agree that the Onana incident should've been a pen and I've said that from the beginning in all the threads where it's been discussed. I'm mostly annoyed at the media outrage over them getting that call wrong (and the subsequent apologies etc) while nothing is said about a similar incident down the other end which will have future ramifications as we've seen in the past.
Simon Hooper