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Manchester United 1:1 Liverpool

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    Is still depresses me that it feels like our midfielders never pass the ball to each other.
     
    We know wer'e not special but I hardly got the feeling we were up against a team like Pep's Barca.
    After all the hype Liverpool were just as every bit 'meh' as us in some ways.
     
    I'll be honest if we had good solid fit options on the bench then throw em on but we don't. The fact that is Liverpools substitutes would stake a potential claim in our starting 11.

    Solskjaer HAD to secure a win rather than being ruthless but unfortunately mistakes from players who are surplus to requirement have cost us.
     
    kouroux said:
    All goals come from mistakes, the idea is about reducing the exposure to those crosses that can lead to mistakes. The moment you surrender the possession, you run the risk of a defensive mistake like this one. Not surprised one bit.
    1st half was very good, 2nd half was dreadful
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    There're unavoidable mistakes and there're ones who are completely unavoidable. The cross was very easy to defend against but it looked like we lost our concentration for a second and they scored.

    The rest of the half they did nothing with their possession because we were holding them off well.

    As I said in other post let's be honest they're far better than honest. There's no other gameplan for an inferior team to beat them than being defensive. It's was the 1st meeting the 14th in the table after all.
     
    They let me down, it was supposed to be a 4-1 win but we were a lot more disciplined, a lot less clueless than we have been for the most part of the season, so I'll take comfort in that.
     
    el3mel said:
    There're unavoidable mistakes and there're ones who are completely unavoidable. The cross was very easy to defend against but it looked like we lost our concentration for a second and they scored.

    The rest of the half they did nothing with their possession because we were holding them off well.

    As I said in other post let's be honest they're far better than honest. There's no other gameplan for an inferior team to beat them than being defensive. It's was the 1st meeting the 14th in the table after all.
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    Today they weren't, this fixture is special like that, form goes out of the window.
     
    shite 2nd half. He needs a striker who can hit the net, simple as that. Martial should've come on for Pereira 15 min's earlier in my opinion. Other than that, bet on a 1-0 home win with rashford the scorer. So close!! They played very well in 1st and only just about well in 2nd.
     
    NK86 said:
    How was the second half a good performance? Unless you thought the same when Mou was doing it
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    Did you see the players we had out there?

    If you think Liverpool and Utd are on the same level, it was a shocking second half.. But we arent.. Not even close... We have a weak squad, our best player is out injured, are low on confidence and are playing poorly.

    We were always going to sit back and counter.. We had better half chances than Liverpool till they scored, even in the second half.. They had a good first 10 minutes.. did nothing till the end..

    5 defenders. McT , Fred (who cant get a game) and Pereira in midfield.. because we dont have any other midfielder fit.. we had a 17 year old kid as the only option on the bench.

    Are you seriously complaining about us not passing around Liverpool in the second half when defending a goal?
     
    Thought we did well for 70 minutes then changed and went ultra defensive and that cost us the game.
     
    We shouldn't have let in that goal, our defence was in good shape but Rojo had a, well, Rojo moment.
     
    kouroux said:
    Are you surprised they scored ? I'm actually not, I knew this was gonna happen. We cannot park the bus with this team
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    I wasn't either.

    We seen it enough during Mourinho. Constantly sit back... and wait for the inevitable mistakes that are going to happen with this team. It back-fires every single time we try it.

    We had a massive missed opportunity in the middle portion of the 2nd half where Liverpool looked to have run out of steam & we had chances, but were too tired to take advantage of them.

    I blame Ole massively for that.

    Ole delays his changes way too late, he constantly lets opponents back into the matches. It wasn't until the 81st minute where he made his first change. By then, it was too late & Liverpool had regained their composure and were inevitably having wave after wave of pressure again.
     
    kouroux said:
    Today they weren't, this fixture is special like that, form goes out of the window.
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    I don't believe much in this phrase imo.

    They were average today because we managed to hold them back not because they themselves were crap. If the game finished 1-0 I think we would all have been happy about what we did but it now feels bad thanks to the draw.
     
    Castia said:
    Thought we did well for 70 minutes then changed and went ultra defensive and that cost us the game.
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    It was because of Klopp's changes, Lallana and Chamberlain occupied the full-backs and spaces much better.
     
    Positive performances from Rashford, James,AWB and Maguire. So-so from McTom and Fred. Everyone else poor.
     
    spiriticon said:
    It was passive, but when the ball did go up past the halfway line Rashford was chasing everything. His endeavour pushed them back up their own pitch.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Martial at all. I'm fully aware he's just back from injury.
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    No it didn't. We were already getting battered with Rashford on the field. At no point in the second half did we push Liverpool back. The possession stats were 75 to 25 for Christ sakes.

    Blaming Martial for the goal or anything at all is downright absurd. Just be happy we're having our players back and stop the absurdity.
     
    I think tactically this is as good and as strong as it gets with Ole.
    I was thinking that for all of our endeavour we will continue to look completely out of idea's against teams set out much like ourselves today.
     
    el3mel said:
    I don't believe much in this phrase imo.

    They were average today because we managed to hold them back not because they themselves were crap. If the game finished 1-0 I think we would all have been happy about what we did but it now feels bad thanks to the draw.
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    I'm massively disappointed we didn't win, I don't care they're top and have won 8 games in a row. I view this fixture in isolation
    Majima said:
    I wasn't either.

    We seen it enough during Mourinho. Constantly sit back... and wait for the inevitable mistakes that are going to happen with this team. It back-fires every single time we try it.

    We had a massive missed opportunity in the middle portion of the 2nd half where Liverpool looked to have run out of steam & we had chances, but were too tired to take advantage of them.

    I blame Ole massively for that.

    Ole delays his changes way too late, he constantly lets opponents back into the matches. It wasn't until the 81st minute where he made his first change. By then, it was too late & Liverpool had regained their composure and were inevitably having wave after wave of pressure again.
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    Spot on. I couldn't agre more.
     
    ManchesterYoda said:
    Did ANYONE think we'd beat Chelsea 4-0 after the way last season ended? We CAN counter Liverpool because they will not be parking any buses. We're not as shit when teams don't park the bus. I'm actually more optimistic about our chances against Liverpool than I am against Norwich and Bournemouth.
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    kouroux said:
    The delusion is very strong in this one.
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    DomesticTadpole said:
    I get what he means in a way, that they should attack us and that could leave them open. However we have to keep them out and actually get the ball in the net.
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    flappyjay said:
    Why is everyone expecting a thumping. A dull 1-0 loss makes more sense
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    RedSky said:
    Drama queens my man. Still think we'll get some kind of result out of today, we do better against teams that actually want to have a go at us. 1-1 draw for me. Pretty similar to the Arsenal game, it won't be an easy watch.
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    See @DomesticTadpole nothing to worry about. Not delusion in the slightest, just a realistic assessment of our performances right now. We'll struggle more again Bournemouth than we did today imo.
     
    prateik said:
    Did you see the players we had out there?

    If you think Liverpool and Utd are on the same level, it was a shocking second half.. But we arent.. Not even close... We have a weak squad, our best player is out injured, are low on confidence and are playing poorly.

    We were always going to sit back and counter.. We had better half chances than Liverpool till they scored, even in the second half.. They had a good first 10 minutes.. did nothing till the end..

    5 defenders. McT , Fred (who cant get a game) and Pereira in midfield.. because we dont have any other midfielder fit.. we had a 17 year old kid as the only option on the bench.

    Are you seriously complaining about us not passing around Liverpool in the second half when defending a goal?
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    So we could do it with the same 11 in the first half but the moment we step out for the second half, we cannot string two passes together? You think that's all on the players?

    Also, would you take that second half performance if we weren't 1-0 up because you keep harping on about the players when we at least were 50-50 with Pool during the opening 45 with the same players.

    This is just a defense of Ole without much merit.
     
    devilish said:
    We could have easily ended with 3 points if the defence didn't commit a brainfart. I am happy how we played. I expected a trashing

    The only United man who pissed me off today was Gaz
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    He’s fecking painful
     
    kouroux said:
    I'm massively disappointed we didn't win, I don't care they're top and have won 8 games in a row. I view this fixture in isolation
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    I'm extremely disappointed and frustrated too, but that's thanks to the scenario and how the goal came very late like that. Maybe if they equalized earlier like the Arsenal I wouldn't have given a shite.
     
    RedSky said:
    See @DomesticTadpole nothing to worry about. Not delusion in the slightest, just a realistic assessment of our performances right now. We'll struggle more again Bournemouth than we did today imo.
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    It's Norwich in the league next, now depends if they attack at home as usual, or the fact their results haven't been great recently so go defensive.
     
    NK86 said:
    So we could do it with the same 11 in the first half but the moment we step out for the second half, we cannot string two passes together? You think that's all on the players?

    Also, would you take that second half performance if we weren't 1-0 up because you keep harping on about the players when we at least were 50-50 with Pool during the opening 45 with the same players.

    This is just a defense of Ole without much merit.
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    Is this the first time you are watching a game like this play out?
    That happens all the time. Liverpool didnt throw the kitchen sink in the first half. We didnt have a goal to protect when we were attacking either.

    Everything chances when a team scores.

    The nonsensical moaning about the manager every time is tiring.
    Boo fecking hoo.
     
    el3mel said:
    I don't believe much in this phrase imo.

    They were average today because we managed to hold them back not because they themselves were crap. If the game finished 1-0 I think we would all have been happy about what we did but it now feels bad thanks to the draw.
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    The nature of the match definitely does affect things. Derbies are always weird. We done well in the first half but Liverpool still looked out of sorts.

    My reaction after the match is, with the way we played cowardly in the 2nd half, attempting to hold on in the 60th minute and not making any proactive changes, we brought it all on ourselves.

    That was an extremely poor second half, all things considered. We can't have any complaints.
     
    Majima said:
    The nature of the match definitely does affect things. Derbies are always weird. We done well in the first half but Liverpool still looked out of sorts.

    My reaction after the match is, with the way we played cowardly in the 2nd half, attempting to hold on in the 60th minute and not making any proactive changes, we brought it all on ourselves.

    That was an extremely poor second half, all things considered. We deserved nothing.
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    I for one don't have much problem with defensive tactics in big game as long as they're actually done right. I think we did it right today but fecked it up unfortunately.
     
    prateik said:
    Is this the first time you are watching a game like this play out?
    That happens all the time. Liverpool didnt throw the kitchen sink in the first half. We didnt have a goal to protect when we were attacking either.

    Everything chances when a team scores.

    The nonsensical moaning about the manager every time is tiring.
    Boo fecking hoo.
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    Oh cop on with your excuses for an absolutely shite manager. You wouldn't be singing this tune if it wasn't Ole at the helm.

    As for Liverpool throwing the kitchen sink - when did that happen? We let them have 75% of the ball and then they capitalized on it. Is it rocket science to actually understand that when you sit this deep there are always chances that the opposition will get some chances. Who asked us to go gung-ho? We just decided to completely give up possession. Great way to see out 45 mins worth of football.
     
    What concerns me is the fact the team is not effective playing on the front foot and try to dominate a game.
    What are we to expect from this team when we are expected to dominate teams ?
     
    Ordinary players who work their ARSES off and do things quickly and simply when they're on the ball. Good organisation and a couple of moments of real quality at the right times. This is our template at the moment. It's a good template and provides nourishment and heart for the fans. We all enjoyed that first half. If we can do that consistently between now and the end of the season and increase the moments of quality as we add the likes of Pogba and any upgrades we manage to procure in January, we progress. That's all most of us need. The key is the maintenance of the application. Adding the quality without losing the ferocious workrate we saw from the likes of James and Perreira today is the tricky bit. Or even maintaining that intensity when it's Bournemouth and not Liverpool. Anyway, it gives some sort of basic roadmap.
     
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32% 68%
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3 1
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