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Manchester United 0:2 Burnley

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    AFC NimbleThumb said:
    At this point wanting OgS gone & not rating him aren’t agendas, it’s common bloody sense.

    The way fans attempt to trivialise this mans tenure is astounding - you don’t have to watch the match tonight to know losing 2-0 at home to Burnley coupled with countless other defeats are damning evidence against this mans ability to manage the club.
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    What? I want Ole gone and have done for a long while. My post is about stuff that happens during games.
     
    Nick7 said:
    What? I want Ole gone and have done for a long while. My post is about stuff that happens during games.
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    Fair play.

    Just think the agenda narrative the OgS defendants use is tepid.

    Glad we agree on the major point. OgS needs to go.
     
    Under Jose United conceded 26 goals in the entire 2017/18 season, with Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia in defence.

    In 2019/20 Ole's United has conceded 26 goals in 24 games with the worlds most expensive defender and the world's most expensive full back.
     
    AFC NimbleThumb said:
    Fair play.

    Just think the agenda narrative the OgS defendants use is tepid.

    Glad we agree on the major point. OgS needs to go.
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    Nah I just meant you have lads coming on here and parroting the same tired shit about players. AWB awful going forward even though he’s had a good game and on another day could have had two assists from good crosses. Yer man acting like the Burnley centre backs didn’t have a storming last 30 minutes where they blocked all of our decent chances. Stuff like that. Jones earlier as well. A lot of “lol Jones injured himself” when it was the Burnley player shoving him in the side when he was running full pelt to stop a counter attack.
     
    I still think Ole is safe - or should be. He's been left in this situation by the board. Yes, he's made mistakes, but just look at the feckin squad. He set them up today okay and to be fair if we had some quality we would have scored one or two of those chances at the start. Part of the problem is when shit hits the fan and we need a different option there simply isn't one because we don't have the players. Signings urgently needed. Until that happens then we can't just go after Ole. The problems are much bigger than him.

    Having said all of that, one thing he cannot do is defend the performance today - he has to show some dissatisfaction with the support he's getting from above.
     
    Where do we go from here ?
    Ole will stay,no doubt, but this team looks mentally done.
    They didn't look confident of getting back even when Burnley got the first.

    Just a club stood still feeling sorry for itself while the owners suck the club dry financially. :(
     
    RedChisel said:
    Trying his best? I'd hate to see his worst then. Regardless of the quality of the squad we shouldn't be getting beat by frigging Burnley at home. He's sticking two fingers up at fans by continuing to defend the hierarchy and tell everyone everything is fine when it clearly isn't. The only thing embarrassing are those that continue to defend the indefensible.
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    It's a fair point that we are playing badly and losing games we shouldn't, but that was the same under Moyes, LvG and Jose too. Yes fans are right to be upset and pissed off, but why do you think Ole would come out against his employers? He thinks and feels he can get United back to the top again so he's hardly going to just walk away and drop bombs when the club is already at a low.

    I'm not defending him, just being rational. I don't like how things are either but none of that takes anything away from my feelings towards Ole as a person or as a player. The hate for him and the disrespect is pathetic. It's not like he's intentionally going out to lose. If anything his ethos towards youth is a breath of fresh air. It's just not working at the moment, and sadly it looks like he's going to fail as United manager. I find that sad tbh.
     
    RedSky said:
    Its clear as day we struggle to score if one of Rashford or Martial is injured. It makes us way too easy to defend against and thus have zero attacking threat, it's why Greenwood should be starting. We have zero goal threat other than Martial on the pitch.
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    And martial is a close to a zero goal threat-such a seriously overrated player.
     
    It's not just that the squad is threadbare though. Yes, that is the fault of the higher ups. However, man for man this Utd team shouldn't be outplayed/outfought by pretty much anyone they come up against.

    If the players simply aren't up for it then that comes down to the motivational and preparation skills of the manager.
     
    Nick7 said:
    Nah I just meant you have lads coming on here and parroting the same tired shit about players. AWB awful going forward even though he’s had a good game and on another day could have had two assists from good crosses. Yer man acting like the Burnley centre backs didn’t have a storming last 30 minutes where they blocked all of our decent chances. Stuff like that. Jones earlier as well. A lot of “lol Jones injured himself” when it was the Burnley player shoving him in the side when he was running full pelt to stop a counter attack.
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    All very fair points mate.

    I can sometimes fall prey to the fact I’m using my phone & probably echo my old opinions sometimes.

    There’s definitely a narrative for a player like Jones though where he’ll never shrug certain beliefs.
     
    Redcafe also needs to get with the program and clamp down on idiots saying vile things about Ole not shut down legit commentary about the state of the club.
     
    VP89 said:
    Yeah hope you get banned and feck right off the forum mate.
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    Because I said nasty things about our clueless manager after one of the most inept displays I've seen? Deal with it, I don't rate him, haven't had faith in him for months. I have no faith in the upper management either.

    Time and time again after horrendous, monotonous displays he smiles and plays the passive role. Tries to be the nice guy, everyone's friend. There's no fire, no passion. If you take offence at what I say, put me on ignore, it's what the button's for 'mate'.
     
    Ferdinand is close to tears. We all feel the same way. Woodward has fecking destroyed this club.
     
    Nicoseth said:
    I still think Ole is safe - or should be. He's been left in this situation by the board. Yes, he's made mistakes, but just look at the feckin squad. He set them up today okay and to be fair if we had some quality we would have scored one or two of those chances at the start. Part of the problem is when shit hits the fan and we need a different option there simply isn't one because we don't have the players. Signings urgently needed. Until that happens then we can't just go after Ole. The problems are much bigger than him.

    Having said all of that, one thing he cannot do is defend the performance today - he has to show some dissatisfaction with the support he's getting from above.
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    I Think his position is sadly untenable. Woodward will hide behind that
     
    langster said:
    It's a fair point that we are playing badly and losing games we shouldn't, but that was the same under Moyes, LvG and Jose too. Yes fans are right to be upset and pissed off, but why do you think Ole would come out against his employers? He thinks and feels he can get United back to the top again so he's hardly going to just walk away and drop bombs when the club is already at a low.

    I'm not defending him, just being rational. I don't like how things are either but none of that takes anything away from my feelings towards Ole as a person or as a player. The hate for him and the disrespect is pathetic. It's not like he's intentionally going out to lose. If anything his ethos towards youth is a breath of fresh air. It's just not working at the moment, and sadly it looks like he's going to fail as United manager. I find that sad tbh.
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    I find it sad too. I love Ole the player, the goal against Bayern will remain my favourite football memory but unfortunately he is destroying his legacy. I can't blame him for hanging around and claiming his millions, I Imagine I would do the same in his shoes but he needs to understand that people will start to remember him as one of our worst ever managers rather than the legendary player he is. I guess I always thought Ole was the more old school manager with integrity who would walk away if he knew it wasn't working.
     
    Ive said it a million times...we lack quality. Would you take MacNeil over James? Yes. Pope over De Gea? Yes. Wood over Martial? Oui.
     
    Ranchero said:
    Ive said it a million times...we lack quality. Would you take MacNeil over James? Yes. Pope over De Gea? Yes. Wood over Martial? Oui.
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    You have to be able to get a tune out of your players too Ole hasn’t been doing that. I have no doubt that if say Pep was our manager tonight we would of won.
     
    Camy89 said:
    Because I said nasty things about our clueless manager after one of the most inept displays I've seen? Deal with it, I don't rate him, haven't had faith in him for months. I have no faith in the upper management either.

    Time and time again after horrendous, monotonous displays he smiles and plays the passive role. Tries to be the nice guy, everyone's friend. There's no fire, no passion. If you take offence at what I say, put me on ignore, it's what the button's for 'mate'.
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    Because you called a legend a prick. Criticise his management,call him clueless no one has an issue. But slating him as a person and bullying his appearance is below the belt and reminiscent of a disrespectful punk that has nothing to do with the club.
     
    A real sad sight to see, I felt the bottom fall out of the club for at least Ole the boards reign. Fans knew there was nothing going to happen without Rashford making the front three work. We saw in the first quarter of the season with just Rashford on his own it was death when we were in the bottom half. Team can't function.

    All the shocking dealings and poor management coming home to roost again as they did at the start. A couple of players out and were fecking garbage and should slip back down the table.

    Jones as a backup defender, what a disgrace. We should be rotating Maguire, Lindelof and Smalling, trying out a partnership and not telling him he won't get any minutes so feck off to Italy.
     
    Sunny Jim said:
    Im watching the repley of the goals, IMHO Matic was fouled and lost his header. If that stood im not sure why Shaws goal was chalked off.
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    Shaw's definitely should have stood. There wasn't a shove from what I saw.
     
    VP89 said:
    Because you called a legend a prick. Criticise his management,call him clueless no one has an issue. But slating him as a person and bullying his appearance is below the belt and reminiscent of a disrespectful punk that has nothing to do with the club.
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    As a player? Legend. As a manager? Anything but, and the longer it goes on, the more he damages his reputation. I don't want him to be remembered as 'that awful tenure'. That's why I think he should cut and run. Meanwhile a concerted effort needs to go in to organising protests and boycotts to try and push Ed/Glazers out. Doubt that will happen though.

    I take back the appearance slander. I was in a fit of rage post game and needed to vent, I'll hold my hands up for that. I've calmed down now. I'm now in the acceptance phase of grieving.
     
    Im not surprised you guys lost tonight tbh. Rashford is a big loss, a very promising player who was on top form prior to the injury and i hope he gets back sooner rather than later.
    Genuinly cannot understand the hate directed towards ole though. He strikes me as a man of integrity and honesty. Ive read posts here saying things like not fit for the job, no passion, no clue, looks like this that and the other and its pretty shocking to be fair. He is one of your club legends. A player who always gave his all, often started as sub and never complained, a model pro in fact.
    What was he meant to do when asked to manage the club? Turn it down?no. He was a winner so he accepted the challenge, and as you all no it is a challenging. Club in transition, big name players to move on, young players to bring in unrest with big name players and a possible takeover looming.
    Hes doing better than i expected. Promising players with greenwood and james given a chance. Rashford so far playing well
    Todays performance cannot be blamed on ole, or on the injury hit limited squad in my opinion. This is where utd are at the moment and i would imagine you may even slip further before the end of the season.
    No need for personal attacks on a guy doing his best.
     
    Josep Dowling said:
    Look at that team mate, Ole isn’t the answer for the long term but honestly most managed are going to struggle with that squad. Ole is partly to blame though, the cull of players was needed but they should be replaced and this hasn’t happened.
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    for me how he had no idea about a stress fracture in rashfords back is inexcusable and almost a sackable offence ....

    how can we expect him to control a star studded squad when he cant control these no names
     
    Anustart89 said:
    And risk getting a manager in who will actually demand something from the board and not just be happy that he's there? No chance.
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    Yeah after Mourinho I can only see the board appointing people who like you say won't demand much money and try to work miracles with a threadbare squad.

    Personally I cannot see many decent managers being willing to work under those terms which could well lean to another club legend interim appointment which is a horrendous idea.
     
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