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Manchester United 1:3 Brighton & Hove Albion

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    glazed said:
    He should never have been appointed in the first place he had no clue about modern football. Any sane manager would have vetoed Ronaldo.
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    How do we know he had a choice. Fergie pushed it and Woodward creamed himself for Ronaldo.
     
    2 man midfield said:
    How many were on the pitch today? 6? Of which 1 was an emergency loan signing because we’ve got 7 defenders out…

    I’m not going to say he hasn’t been backed, but he’s been massively hindered in the market and has to deal with us generally having shit luck with injuries.

    Everybody said before the season that we’d struggle to score goals this season - it isn’t a big secret. I also don’t think it’s Ten Hag’s fault.
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    His football is pretty dull though. Very much like Van Gaal from my memories of that time.
     
    DomesticTadpole said:
    You wonder how divided this squad has become from being one that was very united. The Maguire camp, the Mason Greenwood camp, the Antony camp, the Sancho camp there will also be ones who did not like how DDG was dealt with. It might be a big problem.
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    To be honest you could be on to something but I still think if all that was different a lot of them would still have another excuse to be a bunch of spineless and spoilt children.
     
    Giggsy13 said:
    ten Hag was out coached today, badly.
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    That's an entirely different debate, and unrelated to your comment about Hojlund coming off being "unacceptable". Do you take it back given now you know it was necessary?
     
    James35 said:
    To be honest you could be on to something but I still think if all that was different a lot of them would still have another excuse to be a bunch of spineless and spoilt children.
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    I think they are a bit spoilt. They turn on or more switch off from managers at the drop of a hat. Although I am not sure what system we are trying to play. It is like put eleven players out there and hope it clicks. We should be a well drilled side by now.
     
    Thiagoal said:
    What you on about. The managers of the last decade have all played the same style- fecking shite
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    Haha touche.
    The Kag said:
    Exactly, this is basic, fundamental football that we've struggled with for years. More to the point, even from the sparse cameos I've seen of Pellistri, I as a United fan know that he prefers to stand up his man, then take them to the byline for the cutback. If I know it, his teammates certainly do. Unacceptable. That's all there is to it.
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    It seems like that over the pitch.
    We have one player going Hollywood ball when we need composure, another taking on so many people when a pass might be a better option to keep up momentum, defending edge of the box
     
    2 man midfield said:
    How many were on the pitch today? 6? Of which 1 was an emergency loan signing because we’ve got 7 defenders out…

    I’m not going to say he hasn’t been backed, but he’s been massively hindered in the market and has to deal with us generally having shit luck with injuries.

    Everybody said before the season that we’d struggle to score goals this season - it isn’t a big secret. I also don’t think it’s Ten Hag’s fault.
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    You’re right, the injury crisis and drama off the pitch are not ten Hag’s fault. However, his decisions today were baffling. When we went down 2 nil it was time to respond and make changes. Pellistri and Garnacho were decent enough options off the bench, which could have provided some sort of attacking outlet on the right. It was terrible management from ten Hag today.
     
    GMoore23 said:
    How do we know he had a choice. Fergie pushed it and Woodward creamed himself for Ronaldo.
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    He didn't. Ronaldo was clearly a club signing. Ole could do nothing about it. We had ex players getting involved as well.
     
    I wonder about how United we are now. I wonder how many people were stung by Ten Hag saying he was brought in to sort out the club's bad culture. He is having to rely on players who would have been hurt by those remarks.
     
    Sara125 said:
    Literally schoolboy stuff. The mighty Brighton have managed to pull it off several times in this game
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    We have lazy players. Hardly anybody willing to break a sweat to get into that position. And likewise the other way, their first goal we have people jogging back or just stopped running
     
    DomesticTadpole said:
    I think they are a bit spoilt. They turn on or more switch off from managers at the drop of a hat. Although I am not sure what system we are trying to play. It is like put eleven players out there and hope it clicks. We should be a well drilled side by now.
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    Exactly and unfortunately that gives me slight concerns over the manager also. Going to be a very long season for sure.
     
    Andycoleno9 said:
    Look at it like this. He spent 450 mil euros so far. He was the one who decided how to spend that budget.
    You think that he spent it well?
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    Problem is the idiots running the club. No sane person will give half a billion to a manager who never bought players before.
     
    redcucumber said:
    Based on?
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    Observation of a pattern of misguided/brainless aggression? E.g. melee that ended in Case's red last year. Yeah, they chucked him to the boards, but the situation would have been quickly defused if he didn't rush in with his chest and start all that machoman bravado.

    It doesn't work well for us. I don't want wimps, sure, but don't want out of control bellends turning games into fights, that's for relegation fodder and midtable sides. But then, it suits where we are I guess.
     
    Redfrog said:
    Problem is the idiots running the club. No sane person will give half a billion to a manager who never bought players before.
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    That is the point. Our owners just don't care. ETH did his best work with Marc Overmars at Ajax. Yet we have been silly enough to just let him chose who to buy in the main part. Without new owners nothing will change at all, that is what it is down to.
     
    Giggsy13 said:
    Who cares, we lost.
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    :lol:

    The adult thing to do here is to hold your hands up, admit you said something reactionary and inaccurate due to frustration. It's fair enough, happens to the best of us, but sticking to your guns over something you're clearly wrong about simply undermines any other potentially valid points you may raise.
     
    sixdwarf said:
    I wonder about how United we are now. I wonder how many people were stung by Ten Hag saying he was brought in to sort out the club's bad culture. He is having to rely on players who would have been hurt by those remarks.
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    He wasnt wrong. i remember when mourinho was sacked roy keane said that these players would throw the next manager under bus and guess what? they done it to Ole. the players have been cuddled by the club for far too long, it needs to stop.
     
    Giggsy13 said:
    You’re right, the injury crisis and drama off the pitch are not ten Hag’s fault. However, his decisions today were baffling. When we went down 2 nil it was time to respond and make changes. Pellistri and Garnacho were decent enough options off the bench, which could have provided some sort of attacking outlet on the right. It was terrible management from ten Hag today.
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    Not sure. You always find 'injuries' when players are unhappy. And the drama off the pitch talks to whether we are looking at the personalities of the players we bring in. Greenwood, Antony and Ravel Morrison had-have major issues in their personal lives. But we also have had players with bad attitudes in the dressing room like Pogba and now Sancho.
     
    The Hilton said:
    :lol:

    The adult thing to do here is to hold your hands up, admit you said something reactionary and inaccurate due to frustration. It's fair enough, happens to the best of us, but sticking to your guns over something you're clearly wrong about simply undermines any other potentially valid points you may raise.
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    The adult thing to do is understand that someone doesn’t agree with you and move on. Hojlund should have stayed on.
     
    garelo said:
    He wasnt wrong. i remember when mourinho was sacked roy keane said that these players would throw the next manager under bus and guess what? they done it to Ole. the players have been cuddled by the club for far too long, it needs to stop.
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    The club backed poisonous Pogba over Mourinho. One many many mistakes.
     
    DomesticTadpole said:
    That is the point. Our owners just don't care. ETH did his best work with Marc Overmars at Ajax. Yet we have been silly enough to just let him chose who to buy in the main part. Without new owners nothing will change at all, that is what it is down to.
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    That’s why I won’t blame managers anymore. Every player at the club know that as well. So it’s an impossible job for the managers here.
    The club think it’s enough to give money and leave the manager take all responsibilities. They are just throwing them into the bin one after an other. Instead of putting a coherent structure clear for everyone at the club, the owners and CEO are just making excuses : « look, we are giving a lot of money, it’s not our fault. » This fecking incompetence make me sick.
     
    antohan said:
    Observation of a pattern of misguided/brainless aggression? E.g. melee that ended in Case's red last year. Yeah, they chucked him to the boards, but the situation would have been quickly defused if he didn't rush in with his chest and start all that machoman bravado.

    It doesn't work well for us. I don't want wimps, sure, but don't want out of control bellends turning games into fights, that's for relegation fodder and midtable sides. But then, it suits where we are I guess.
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    Ah rubbish. You're making serious inferences based on one incident. It was Casemiro who literally throttled a player immediately after, and he's had a glittering career. Antony has issues with his output at the moment, but his 'aggression' has nowt to do with it.
     
    Giggsy13 said:
    The adult thing to do is understand that someone doesn’t agree with you and move on. Hojlund should have stayed on.
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    You aren't disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with a fact. Hojlund is carrying an injury, and can't play full matches at the moment, that's clear. So no, he shouldn't have, and stubbornly sticking to that opinion like a flat-earther means that the adult thing to do is safely disregard your opinions as those of someone who is incapable of altering them despite proof to the contrary.
     
    DomesticTadpole said:
    That is the point. Our owners just don't care. ETH did his best work with Marc Overmars at Ajax. Yet we have been silly enough to just let him chose who to buy in the main part. Without new owners nothing will change at all, that is what it is down to.
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    I sometimes think we may be slightly blinded by the obsession with seeing the owners out. It is more about how the club is run but when it all comes down to it, yes, they pull all those strings. It is painful to have so much money spent by people who shouldn't have that power.

    Make no mistake the money has been spent. But much of it might as well have been flushed down the toilet.

    And it doesn't seem to matter who is in the dugout we are incapable of getting recruitment right.
     
    sixdwarf said:
    I sometimes think we may be slightly blinded by the obsession with seeing the owners out. It is more about how the club is run but when it all comes down to it, yes, they pull all those strings. It is painful to have so much money spent by people who shouldn't have that power.

    Make no mistake the money has been spent. But much of it might as well have been flushed down the toilet.

    And it doesn't seem to matter who is in the dugout we are incapable of getting recruitment right.
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    The owners make the decisions about who spends that money, so it is down to them.
     
    Wing Attack Plan R said:
    Disagree with what? It’s what happened today. And last game. Onana was supposed to be able to beat any press, allowing us to push bodies forward. He was also supposed to guarantee assists with his long passing. Instead, he stays in his box which means he has to rely solely on shot-stopping, and he’s not even in the same bracket as DeGea in that regard.
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    So when teams don't press....
     
    redcucumber said:
    Ah rubbish. You're making serious inferences based on one incident. It was Casemiro who literally throttled a player immediately after, and he's had a glittering career. Antony has issues with his output at the moment, but his 'aggression' has nowt to do with it.
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    Opinions, everyone has one.
     
    garelo said:
    He wasnt wrong. i remember when mourinho was sacked roy keane said that these players would throw the next manager under bus and guess what? they done it to Ole. the players have been cuddled by the club for far too long, it needs to stop.
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    I believe a lot of those previous issues have been addressed and those personalities moved on apart from Martial. The issue now seems to be a lack of confidence and resilience. We seem to flounder and lack the fight when we go down or a moment doesn’t go our way. Fine it was another shit VAR call but a strong minded team will find a way to equalize before the half, instead we find ourselves down 3 nil in the 2nd half. No spine, confidence, leadership etc.
     
    Ollie Derbyshire said:
    It’s been this way for a long time, it has to be on all of them, players, manager & coaches. How can we not make sure one midfielder sits in front of the back 4 and just mops up and closes gaps, doesn’t bust forward leaving a huge hole. How can full backs and wingers not work as a team and make overlaps. It’s just simple basic stuff we don’t do. Midfielders who all jog back when the line is broken. I could go on, it’s pathetic.
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    It’s really amateurish isn’t it.. you’re right, it can’t be just on the manager, 4 consecutive managers can’t just be telling our players to do whatever they like.. we’d do well to start targeting really disciplined players to try and turn the tide, also as a club as big as United they need to take a serious look at teams like Brighton and how they operate their football side, and maybe even poach their set up.. it worked for City when they essentially brought Barcelona to the premier league
     
    United weren’t good today. There are things to factor in: injuries and dressing room upheaval, even uncertainty around ownership. There will be improvements once key players are back. I looked forward to this … was mildly entertaining in the first half. Lady Luck seems to have checked out for us as well. I didn’t get back till it was 3-1. Brighton were alright, but didn’t look all conquering. Good that Bayern are up next. I still think highly of ETH. We go again.
     
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  • 28% Man Utd 2:1 Brighton
  • 10% Man Utd 3:1 Brighton
  • 10% Man Utd 2:0 Brighton
  • 10% Man Utd 1:2 Brighton
  • 8% Man Utd 1:3 Brighton
  • 6% Man Utd 2:2 Brighton
  • 6% Man Utd 1:0 Brighton
  • 6% Man Utd 1:1 Brighton
  • 3% Man Utd 0:2 Brighton
  • 3% Man Utd 3:0 Brighton
  • 2% Man Utd 0:3 Brighton
  • 2% Man Utd 2:3 Brighton
  • 2% Man Utd 3:2 Brighton
  • 1% Man Utd 0:1 Brighton
  • 1% Man Utd 0:9 Brighton
  • 1% Man Utd 0:4 Brighton
  • 0% Man Utd 4:0 Brighton
  • 0% Man Utd 0:0 Brighton
  • 0% Man Utd 4:1 Brighton
  • 0% Man Utd 5:1 Brighton
  • 0% Man Utd 1:4 Brighton
  • 0% Man Utd 0:5 Brighton
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43% 57%
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8 1
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