Burnley 0:0 Manchester United

Lennon7 · Aug 28, 2014

Moriarty said:
Don't be too sure. Burnley used to be one of our bogey teams back in the day. Last time we went to Turf Moor we ended up losing 0-1. With the injuries we've got, I'll be happy with a point.

But considering the situation we're in now, we need to be beating the weakest team in the league. When we lost 1-0 to Burnley, we'd beaten Wigan and Birmingham either side of the fixture, and Arsenal a couple of weeks after... right now we've lost at home to Swansea and drawn with Sunderland after TERRIBLE performances.

A win is a must in my opinion.

Barry Crocker · Aug 28, 2014

So it will be Cleverly and Fletcher again in CM. And probably Young LWB and Valencia RWB if Rojo is out.
Can see this being a tough game with that dross playing. I guess we could play Di Maria CM but the lack of defenders is really hurting us. Rafael needs to return ASAP same with Shaw.

LR7 · Aug 28, 2014

Cleverley going would leave Fletch as the only available CM. Slightly concerning.

DeMono · Aug 28, 2014

If Cleverly does leave, who will play in CM? Herrera is still injured.

Maybe bring in Pearson/Lawrence? Our second team is clearly not good enough.

RedSRM · Aug 28, 2014

Can't believe Herrera and Rojo are still unavailable. Our forward players need to fecking step up now, because the rest of the side sure as hell aren't up to it. Rooney, Van Persie, Mata, Januzaj and now Di Maria need to show their quality. We should be able to outscore these sides with that frontline. To drop points again this weekend would be pretty disastrous.

Amadaeus · Aug 28, 2014

De Gea
Valencia -Jones - Smailling/Evans - Blackett
Fletcher - Powell/Kagawa
Mata ---------- Di Maria
Rooney - Welbeck

Subs: Lindergaard, M. Keane, James, Kagawa, Januzaj, Van Persie, Wilson

Powell was not that bad against mk dons and I have faith that if giving time to develop at United, he can be almost or as influential as lampard or ramsey in the final third. Welbeck over Van Persie to give our attack more balance and provide a partner for Rooney that makes him perform better.

RedSRM · Aug 28, 2014

De Gea
Smalling Evans Blackett
Valencia Jones Fletcher Di Maria
Mata
Rooney Van Persie

I would also consider including Januzaj instead of Mata or Van Persie possibly. (Of course this is assuming the 3-5-2 is gonna be used again.)

Overhead · Aug 28, 2014

DeMono said:
If Cleverly does leave, who will play in CM? Herrera is still injured.

Maybe bring in Pearson/Lawrence? Our second team is clearly not good enough.

Fletcher - Di Maria - Mata in 3-5-2? Looks quite vulnerable defensively but can't see too many options there. May be Jones instead of Fletcher in DM and play Evans - Rojo - Blacket in defense but I doubt Jones will be moved out of defense at this moment.

santeria13 · Aug 28, 2014

What I'd like to see:

-------------De Gea-------------
Rafael---Evans--Smalling---Blackett--
--------------Jones-----------------
-----Fletcher--------Di Maria-------
--------------Mata---------------
---Welbeck-------RVP/Rooney-

A 4-4-2 Diamond. Evans did have a very bad game vs MK Dons but it was his first game back from injury, and generally he has always looked more comfortable in a back 4. I think he has looked shaky in a back 3 in all our games, including pre-season. Jones as a defensive shield, with Fletcher and Di Maria ahead of him. I honestly can't see a better way to go with our midfield options for this weekend. Also I want to see Welbeck or Januzaj start next to either RVP or Rooney. Welbeck tends to make our other Striker look better whereas RVP and Rooney just cancel each other out in my opinion. They're too slow and static together.

What I think we will see:

--------------De Gea---------------
-------Jones--Smalling--Blackett----
Di Maria---------------------------Young--
-----------Fletcher--Cleverley---------
-----------------Mata----------------
-----------RVP--------Rooney

and if I see this line up I honestly won't bother watching the game

RyanOliverV · Aug 28, 2014

I thought Smalling was still Injured?

JaviMadrid · Aug 28, 2014

Di Maria did not play, has not trained and do not know their peers.

NessunDorma · Aug 28, 2014

Couldn't have come at a worse time this game, really. It's just a distraction from us getting on with doing what football is all about: and that's signing new players.

Just need to get it out of the way, and the real business can then begin.

pierrethesnack · Aug 28, 2014

So Fletcher is going to play again, I guess...

Who'll be his partner? :S

santeria13 · Aug 28, 2014

pierrethesnack said:
So Fletcher is going to play again, I guess...

Who'll be his partner? :S

I think a midfield Diamond of Jones as the CDM and Fletcher and Di Maria the 2 CM's, with Mata in front of them will be the best way to go for this.

GRon · Aug 28, 2014

santeria13 said:
I think a midfield Diamond of Jones as the CDM and Fletcher and Di Maria the 2 CM's, with Mata in front of them will be the best way to go for this.

I would be worried about Blackett and Evans being our two starting CBs though.

santeria13 · Aug 28, 2014

GRon said:
I would be worried about Blackett and Evans being our two starting CBs though.

Isn't Smalling fit for this one? A lot of people are including him in the line up. If he's not, I agree. Though Evans seems to be a lot more comfortable in a back 4 opposed to a back 3, in which he has seemed lost pretty much every time he's played in it. If Smalling is fit, I think he and Evans can do the job for this game.

GRon · Aug 28, 2014

santeria13 said:
Isn't Smalling fit for this one? A lot of people are including him in the line up. If he's not, I agree. Though Evans seems to be a lot more comfortable in a back 4 opposed to a back 3, in which he has seemed lost pretty much every time he's played in it. If Smalling is fit, I think he and Evans can do the job for this game.

I thought Smalling had a hamstring injury, and was out for a couple of weeks. I could be wrong though.

santeria13 · Aug 28, 2014

GRon said:
I thought Smalling had a hamstring injury, and was out for a couple of weeks. I could be wrong though.

Same here, but looking at the line ups over the last 2 pages I assumed someone heard he was good to go. So hard to tell with all our injuries recently :lol:

. Having Rojo for this game would have been a life-saver

Jacob · Aug 28, 2014

Will Rojo be eligable for this?

Tincanalley · Aug 28, 2014

Jacob said:
Will Rojo be eligable for this?

Nope. Still working on work permit.

GRon · Aug 28, 2014

santeria13 said:
Same here, but looking at the line ups over the last 2 pages I assumed someone heard he was good to go. So hard to tell with all our injuries recently . Having Rojo for this game would have been a life-saver

The Rojo deal again showcased Woodward's ineptness. It is crazy that he spent 16 million (21 million if you include Nani's wages) pounds on someone, who we are not able to get a work permit for.

santeria13 · Aug 28, 2014

GRon said:
The Rojo deal again showcased Woodward's ineptness. It is crazy that he spent 16 million (21 million if you include Nani's wages) pounds on someone, who we are not able to get a work permit for.

Yeah, it is ridiculous, but if we can sign another midfielder or two and before the deadline, I'd say he's done a good job this summer

Sandikan · Aug 28, 2014

Cleverley, Welbeck and Hernandez will really have their minds on the job if we haven't shipped them out by Saturday!

Jacob · Aug 28, 2014

He will get his work permit, he's a national team player.

GRon · Aug 28, 2014

Sandikan said:
Cleverley, Welbeck and Hernandez will really have their minds on the job if we haven't shipped them out by Saturday!

I am surprised that LvG played players just before getting rid of them. Nani against Swansea, Cleverly and Welbeck against Sunderland. Of course they will not perform, if they know the manager wants to get rid of them.

Sandikan · Aug 28, 2014

GRon said:
I am surprised that LvG played players just before getting rid of them. Nani against Swansea, Cleverly and Welbeck against Sunderland. Of course they will not perform, if they know the manager wants to get rid of them.

Unless it is literally a last chance. But it smacks of slightly dodgy management to say I don't want you, but erm...can you play one last game!

Sandikan · Aug 28, 2014

GRon said:
The Rojo deal again showcased Woodward's ineptness. It is crazy that he spent 16 million (21 million if you include Nani's wages) pounds on someone, who we are not able to get a work permit for.

This isn't a worry at all.

Although someone posted a link to some criminal offence he apparently committed years ago, that'd have a year in jail as the punishment! Hopefully that's nothing!

D. Grayson · Aug 28, 2014

When people ask me of I like football, I say yes I do like football... But not Burnley, Burnley can feck off.

Elliot · Aug 28, 2014

Rojo was in court in Argentina for assault in 2012, and since he is now on the big bucks apparently the prosecutor from his last court case smells a payday and is trying to bring the case back, hence the work permit taking so long.

C'est Moi Cantona · Aug 28, 2014

santeria13 said:
What I'd like to see:

-------------De Gea-------------
Rafael---Evans--Smalling---Blackett--
--------------Jones-----------------
-----Fletcher--------Di Maria-------
--------------Mata---------------
---Welbeck-------RVP/Rooney-

A 4-4-2 Diamond. Evans did have a very bad game vs MK Dons but it was his first game back from injury, and generally he has always looked more comfortable in a back 4. I think he has looked shaky in a back 3 in all our games, including pre-season. Jones as a defensive shield, with Fletcher and Di Maria ahead of him. I honestly can't see a better way to go with our midfield options for this weekend. Also I want to see Welbeck or Januzaj start next to either RVP or Rooney. Welbeck tends to make our other Striker look better whereas RVP and Rooney just cancel each other out in my opinion. They're too slow and static together.

What I think we will see:

--------------De Gea---------------
-------Jones--Smalling--Blackett----
Di Maria---------------------------Young--
-----------Fletcher--Cleverley---------
-----------------Mata----------------
-----------RVP--------Rooney

and if I see this line up I honestly won't bother watching the game

Di Maria won't play there, if we go with this system he'll either knock Mata out of the team, or more likely Cleverley, and Valencia, or hopefully Rafael will play RWB.
Doubt we'll see Smalling either, at least I hope not.

santeria13 · Aug 28, 2014

C'est Moi Cantona said:
Di Maria won't play there, if we go with this system he'll either knock Mata out of the team, or more likely Cleverley, and Valencia, or hopefully Rafael will play RWB.
Doubt we'll see Smalling either, at least I hope not.

I thought about him playing next to Fletcher but wouldn't that leave us horribly exposed at the back? Even with Herrera next to Fletcher we got caught on the break time and time again. Di Maria is excellent going forward and at pressing the opposition team in the midfield but his defensive contribution really isn't that great. I do agree that Mata should be dropped if we are to use Di Maria in this formation but I can't see LVG doing this and thats why I posted that it's the formation that I 'think' we will see, rather than the one I would like

Also if Smalling is fit, I'd prefer him over Evans who seems to be the CB least comfortable with playing in a back three, by quite a long shot too.

Walters_19_MuFc · Aug 28, 2014

De Gea
Jones - Evans - Blackett
Fletcher
Valencia - Mata - Di Maria - Young
Van Persie - Rooney

C'est Moi Cantona · Aug 28, 2014

santeria13 said:
I thought about him playing next to Fletcher but wouldn't that leave us horribly exposed at the back? Even with Herrera next to Fletcher we got caught on the break time and time again. Di Maria is excellent going forward and at pressing the opposition team in the midfield but his defensive contribution really isn't that great. I do agree that Mata should be dropped if we are to use Di Maria in this formation but I can't see LVG doing this and thats why I posted that it's the formation that I 'think' we will see, rather than the one I would like

Also if Smalling is fit, I'd prefer him over Evans who seems to be the CB least comfortable with playing in a back three, by quite a long shot too.

Just don't rate Smalling, don't really rate Jonny Evans that much either tbh but i'd take him over Smalling any day.

Yes you're right Di Maria next to Fletcher would leave us exposed a little but we are playing Burnley, and if Cleverley is off to Villa then he won't play, Fellaini, Carrick, and Herrera are injured, so unless Jones steps forward who else is there?

Reckon it's nailed on for another 3-5-2.....sadly.

santeria13 · Aug 28, 2014

C'est Moi Cantona said:
Just don't rate Smalling, don't really rate Jonny Evans that much either tbh but i'd take him over Smalling any day.

Yes you're right Di Maria next to Fletcher would leave us exposed a little but we are playing Burnley, and if Cleverley is off to Villa then he won't play, Fellaini, Carrick, and Herrera are injured, so unless Jones steps forward who else is there?

Reckon it's nailed on for another 3-5-2.....sadly.

Indeed. I rate Evans over Smalling generally and specially in a back 4 but Evans seems to have had a lot of problems adjusting to the 3 at the back system, more-so than our other defenders except perhaps for Keane who definately needs another year or two to develop before being a viable first team option. Also after his MK Dons performance, He'll be horribly short on confidence. I guess Jones could play along side Di Maria in the 3-5-2 but then we have practically no options at the back unless we are to play Blackett, Keane and Evans and that back three would get destroyed by most teams in the league :lol:

.

As you say though, it is only Burnley and with Fletcher and Di Maria we are certainly capable of outscoring them and we will look a lot more dangerous going forward. Probably what we will see tbh

GRon · Aug 28, 2014

santeria13 said:
Indeed. I rate Evans over Smalling generally and specially in a back 4 but Evans seems to have had a lot of problems adjusting to the 3 at the back system, more-so than our other defenders except perhaps for Keane who definately needs another year or two to develop before being a viable first team option. Also after his MK Dons performance, He'll be horribly short on confidence. I guess Jones could play along side Di Maria in the 3-5-2 but then we have practically no options at the back unless we are to play Blackett, Keane and Evans and that back three would get destroyed by most teams in the league .

As you say though, it is only Burnley and with Fletcher and Di Maria we are certainly capable of outscoring them and we will look a lot more dangerous going forward. Probably what we will see tbh

I think this Rooney, RvP combination is not working. We need to replace one of them with either Welbeck or Janzaj to be a potent force going forward.

Wooly Red · Aug 28, 2014

Moriarty said:
Don't be too sure. Burnley used to be one of our bogey teams back in the day. Last time we went to Turf Moor we ended up losing 0-1. With the injuries we've got, I'll be happy with a point.

If there isn't a win I think there's going to be one hell of a meltdown here. Not that I don't enjoy the occasional rant but it will be alarming in some way...

Moriarty · Aug 28, 2014

Wooly Red said:
If there isn't a win I think there's going to be one hell of a meltdown here. Not that I don't enjoy the occasional rant but it will be alarming in some way...

I'm going to stay away if we lose. The lunatics will really take over the asylum. By the way, have you heard murmurings on other sites that Van Gaal is past it on on the decline? I read something like that on another site and had to laugh. Lose to Burnley and we might read similar comments on here.

Tincanalley · Aug 28, 2014

4-0 Man Utd. Backlash time. Goalscorers, Mata, Rooney, De Maria and ... Smalling?

GRon · Aug 28, 2014

Tincanalley said:
4-0 Man Utd. Backlash time. Goalscorers, Mata, Rooney, De Maria and ... Smalling?

Smalling is not even fit to play, I think.

GRon · Aug 28, 2014

Moriarty said:
I'm going to stay away if we lose. The lunatics will really take over the asylum. By the way, have you heard murmurings on other sites that Van Gaal is past it on on the decline? I read something like that on another site and had to laugh. Lose to Burnley and we might read similar comments on here.

I do not see too many people turning on van Gaal here. I'd think the sentiment would be Rooney is past it.

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