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Brentford 4:0 Manchester United

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    I think we all know how bad we are.

    I feel bitter towards the United board that OGS was given three years in his position. He was happy with the temporary job for god's sake! We let this man (without experience) "build" a team and spend OUR money making us worse then before.

    In that time we could have had Conte, Poch, ETH starting the rebuild much sooner and more effectively.

    We then appoint Rangnick but ignore all his suggestions. His talk of 10 new players was too dramatic to take seriously yet he is right.

    Sometimes players develop "muscle memory". No matter how hard you try to program someone to move differently they have become so accustomed to doing things a certain way they genuinely cannot change. The only way is to get them out and bring new blood in. If we don't get enough of the deadwood out then they will only infect the new blood like a bloody virus!
     
    You don’t know what the strategy is if you believe it involves passing to the midfielder at the edge of the box with a man rushing him
    When the keeper is doing it nearly every time it’s more likely then not that it is a strategy given by the manager
     
    When the keeper is doing it nearly every time it’s more likely then not that it is a strategy given by the manager

    Or the keeper is shit…
    DDG himself said it was a mistake. The manager has said it was an individual error. But keep making shit up mate
     
    Maguire lost the battle in the tunnel before the game. Had to get a tap to say let’s go. He was turned around nattering.

    Roy Keane had his stare And his determined focus. That what ever the result, he would have did his best and been exhausted coming off the pitch.

    Sancho went for the high 5s when he came off.
    Come on man.
     
    You see passes like that everywhere around the pitch, why not trust a player who many have claimed is 'press resistant' (despite the meaningless quantity of that statement).
    Why do it 12 yards from goal when a mistake will result in a certain goal, the risk is not worth the reward, Maguire was free on the right hand side and an easier pass.
     
    No I just watched the game and the keeper kept passing straight to Eriksen, your saying that is not anything to do with a tactic by the manager which is unlikely
    He is not suppose to do with when Eriksen is not free and has a man rushing him was the point. That is not the strategy. Hence why he got a bollocking from Eriksen after the goal
     
    He is not suppose to do with when Eriksen is not free and has a man rushing him was the point. That is not the stragtegy
    You would think, but I’ve never know de Gea to give it to the same player all the time before, so very much seems like it was the game plan set out by the manager. That’s not anyone making “shit” up that’s what happened.
     
    You would think, but I’ve never know de Gea to give it to the same player all the time before, so very much seems like it was the game plan set out by the manager. That’s not anyone making “shit” up that’s what happened.

    Im done. Even the keeper admitted he made a mistake but “game plan” ok mate.
     
    Im done. Even the keeper admitted he made a mistake but “game plan” ok mate.
    Yeah De Gea made a mistake, but it was very clear the strategy layed out by the manger was too pass the ball out to Eriksen. That is a game plan, and game plan set out by the manager. That is not making shit up because that what’s happened on the pitch.

    Assuming De Gea just went to pass to the same player again and again whether he was marked or not was not somthing worked out in training before hand is highly unlikely
     
    We can't defend at the back or in the middle, can't press from the front and we can't score. What do we do in training all week please
     
    Yeah De Gea made a mistake, but it was very clear the strategy layed out by the manger was too pass the ball out to Eriksen. That is a game plan, and game plan set out manager. That is not making shit up because that what’s happened on the pitch.

    Assuming De Gea just went to pass to the same player again and again whether he was marked or not was not somthing worked out in training before hand highly unlikely
    No one said that we didn't want to play from the back. The point was it was a mistake to make the pass which you attempted to say it wasn’t and it was a pass hes been asked to play. Now that you have admitted it was a mistake we can move on
     
    I think we all know how bad we are.

    I feel bitter towards the United board that OGS was given three years in his position. He was happy with the temporary job for god's sake! We let this man (without experience) "build" a team and spend OUR money making us worse then before.

    In that time we could have had Conte, Poch, ETH starting the rebuild much sooner and more effectively.

    We then appoint Rangnick but ignore all his suggestions. His talk of 10 new players was too dramatic to take seriously yet he is right.

    Sometimes players develop "muscle memory". No matter how hard you try to program someone to move differently they have become so accustomed to doing things a certain way they genuinely cannot change. The only way is to get them out and bring new blood in. If we don't get enough of the deadwood out then they will only infect the new blood like a bloody virus!

    I still remember the transfer window of 2007 clearly. 15 years ago, sheesh, I'm getting old. Anyhow.

    Bayern had just been spanked royally by AC Milan in the UCL 4-1. It was crystal clear that Bayern was on a steep decline and couldn't compete with the big boys of Europe anymore. Domestically the club had won back to back doubles. But players were retiring, hardly anyone from the youths had yet made it big time in the senior squad (Lahm and Schweinsteiger on their way though) and the club was dirt cheap buying players from Bochum and Cerro Porteno in Paraguay in hopes of unearthing diamonds in the rough.

    Bayern finished 4th in the Bundesliga 2006/07. A really mediocre Bundesliga-competion btw. And back then only the top 3 qualified for the Champions League. Bayern were relegated to the Uefa Cup, today known as Europa League. Big mighty Bayern were the laughing stock of Europe, bullied by the likes of Stuttgart.

    How does this relate to Manchester United you may ask? It's eerily similar. A giant getting its ass handed to it by minnows and in need of a total overhaul.

    In that transfer window Bayern brought in Ottmar Hitzfeld as manager. "The General", two times UCL-winner with Dortmund and Bayern, was retired but agreed to manage the team for one year. Think of him as if Sir Alex Ferguson had returned for one year to steer the ship after Moyes failed capitally.

    Bayern bought 9 players and promoted two from the youth ranks. A total of 11 players in one transfer window.
    Franck Ribéry, Miroslav Klose, Luca Toni all were brought in the same transfer window. World Cup runner up, World Cup Top Scorer, World Cup winner.

    In their debut seasons Ribéry went on to be named German player of the year, Klose got 21g+12a, Luca Toni scored 39 in 46. The most underrated of them all - Zé Roberto. The great brazilian, Brazils best in the World Cup 2006, had returned to South America the year before but came back rejuvenated. Once a winger he had been converted to a CDM. And my lord, it was like watching prime Thiago Alcantara. All that technical flair paired with a great engine, positional awareness and some bite too. Oh yeah, those two youths that got promoted? Sandro Wagner later went on to become a German National Team Player and had a decent career. The other was a bloke called Toni Kroos.

    Bayern won the domestic double that year and reached the semis of the Uefa Cup losing heavily to the would be winners Zenit. But that window and overhaul laid the ground work for later attracting stars like Mario Gomez, Arjen Robben, Neuer and so on reaching 3 UCL-finals in 4 years (2010-2013) ultimately lifting ol' big ears once.

    What I'm trying to tell you is that Rangnick - a german who certainly knows this Bayern story by heart - might have had a very valid point. Bring in 10 new players! If possible you should have brought in a wise seasoned manager for a year or two who could oversee the project. Like Guus Hiddink did for Chelsea in 2015/16.

    Or I suppose you did do that with Rangnick. Except you didn't exactly follow through with the overhaul. Now that's you've brought in ten Hag he should be handed time but he also needs investments.
     
    No one said that we didn't want to play from the back. The point was it was a mistake to make the pass which you attempted to say it wasn’t and it was a pass hes been asked to play. Now that you have admitted it was a mistake we can move on
    I generally am utterly lost. Of course the pass was a mistake it was terrible pass.
    My orginal point was the manger was relying on a player to fufill a strategy which was play out from the back to Eriksen, a strategy that clearly didn’t take into account the liability De Gea is with his passing. Having a game strategy revolving around that in naive.

    In no way did I say the strategy was de Gea to give the ball away. That would be making shit up which I haven’t done
     
    I generally am utterly lost. Of course the pass was a mistake it was terrible pass.
    My orginal point was the manger was relying on a player to fufill a strategy which was play out from the back to Eriksen, a strategy that clearly didn’t take into account the liability De Gea is with his passing. Having a game strategy revolving around that in naive.

    In no way did I say the strategy was de Gea to give the ball away. That would be making shit up which I haven’t done

    Like I said before. We have played out of the back with DDG for years.
     
    Like I said before. We have played out of the back with DDG for years.
    Yes and like I said a lot of the time de Gea would hoof it, and I’ve never known him to always just play to one player. This was clearly the strategy worked on by the manager and it massively backfired. Of course De Gea needs to take a lot of the blame. But a manager should know the limitations of his players and build it into the game plan. Ten Hag didn’t today.
     
    Yes and like I said a lot of the time de Gea would hoof it, and I’ve never known him to always just play to one player. This was clearly the strategy worked on by the manager and it massively backfired. Of course De Gea needs to take a lot of the blame. But a manager should know the limitations of his players and build it into the game plan. Ten Hag didn’t today.
    And he was supposed to hoof it then…. Also the tactic was not to play it to one player today. You have made that up. Im not replying anymore.
     
    And he was supposed to hoof it then…. Also the tactic was not to play it to one player today. You have made that up. Im not replying anymore.
    You don’t know he was supposed to hoof it and wasn’t just meant to pass it to one player your assuming(or hoping) and then accusing me of making stuff up, when the player clearly was trying to pass to just one player and wasn’t hoofing it.
    If a player keeps doing something the chances are it’s an instruction from the manager worked on in training, Especially when it’s a goalkeeper who has always looked more comfortable hoofing it. Of course we can’t be 100% sure of that but it is the most likely scenario, but if a player keeps doing the same thing it’s probably because that’s what he was told to do.
     
    Can we fine DDG for the fk up? You're not a schoolboy, you're a Spain International and been Utd for so long. What he did was criminal and twice within the same game. Unforgiveable!!!!!
     
    Why wait?

    I feel the back four of:

    Dalot Varane Martinez Malacia

    Is the best chance of clean sheets, defending well and attacking well.

    If Ten Hag doesn't quickly realise or have the balls to act on that he'll go the way of Ole and Rangnick real quick.

    Shaw or Maguire cannot be in the starting lineups anymore. They're awful and don't have the required athleticism required for modern professional footballers.
     
    We have no midfield - same as the last 10 years. One day when I'm old and grey we might actually sign a central midfielder that is actually worthy of wearing the shirt. Instead we buy more defenders - Malacia hasn't even started and Martinez was awful. We have a striker that would rather live on the moon than play for us right now, and the likes of Rashford, Dalot, Maguire, Shaw and all the other wasters on the bench are stealing a living. Utter shambles. Wonder how many more managers we will go through before people realise it is the players that are the problem.
     
    I just want to see consequences. Fred was terrible against Brighton but started today. De Gea was awful today but will likely start against Liverpool.
     
    Most of these players are trash. I will back this manager until most of these players are kicked out the club. Until he gets a proper transfer window I will not criticize other than to question maguire or mcfred starting but even then his options are very limited.
     
    I just want to see consequences. Fred was terrible against Brighton but started today. De Gea was awful today but will likely start against Liverpool.
    Would you prefer seeing Heaton in goal then? :lol:

    De Gea was fecking awful but it's not like we are loaded with options at the moment. Same with Fred; McT was dropped for this game and it didn't change a single thing. One of McT or Fred will be starting again next week until we get some new faces in. That's the unfortunate reality of the situation we are in.

    I don't think ETH wants to throw in youngsters in the current environment. And tbf to him, I kind of agree with that.
     
    Would you prefer seeing Heaton in goal then? :lol:

    De Gea was fecking awful but it's not like we are loaded with options at the moment. Same with Fred; McT was dropped for this game and it didn't change a single thing. One of McT or Fred will be starting again next week until we get some new faces in. That's the unfortunate reality of the situation we are in.

    I don't think ETH wants to throw in youngsters in the current environment. And tbf to him, I kind of agree with that.

    Yes, De Gea should have been subbed yesterday. Heaton may been ‘worse’ if they are both playing well but that was pathetic yesterday and we know De Gea has history of mental lapses. The players need to know they’ll be dropped or subbed whoever they are.
     
    Clearly its the managers fault innit ? Where's the sack the manager bandwagon we can jump onto ?
    You didn’t understand what I said mate, I said it wrong probably.
    I was trying to say that this bunch of players are spineless cowards and no manager can work with them.
    I would like all of them gone. Ten Hag can’t do a thing. The club is rotten from top to bottom.
     
    You didn’t understand what I said mate, I said it wrong probably.
    I was trying to say that this bunch of players are spineless cowards and no manager can work with them.
    I would like all of them gone. Ten Hag can’t do a thing. The club is rotten from top to bottom.
    I understood perfectly, I was being sarcastic.
     
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  • Man Utd win
  • Brentford win
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Detailed Results

  • 19% Brentford 1:2 Man Utd
  • 14% Brentford 1:1 Man Utd
  • 12% Brentford 1:3 Man Utd
  • 11% Brentford 0:2 Man Utd
  • 8% Brentford 2:1 Man Utd
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  • 2% Brentford 0:4 Man Utd
  • 2% Brentford 1:0 Man Utd
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  • 1% Brentford 1:4 Man Utd
  • 1% Brentford 5:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Brentford 2:3 Man Utd
  • 1% Brentford 3:0 Man Utd
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  • 1% Brentford 4:1 Man Utd
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  • 0% Brentford 3:2 Man Utd
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  1. Brentford
  2. Man Utd
Possession
33% 67%
Shots
13 15
Shots on Target
7 4
Corners
8 2
Fouls
6 15

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Stuart Attwell