Whats that about man?
You've missed all the fun not having read this: https://www.redcafe.net/f7/revealed...-his-manchester-city-press-conference-258828/
Whats that about man?
His ego is in inverse proportion to his height.
"EX United player gets slagged off on Redcafe" Schocker
Even they weren't offering £150K a week more like.
In what bizarre fecking parallel universe does a footballer have no say in the next club he plays for, leaving it entirely up to whomever holds his registration to punt him round until they can raise a pre-determined sum of money?
There' me thinking everyone realised the slavery comments were in jest? Turns out FS actually believes that human beings can still be bought and sold like cattle.
He could have gone to Real, he could have stayed at Man Utd, there are no valid football reasons for wanting to go to City. £££££.
In what bizarre fecking parallel universe does a footballer have no say in the next club he plays for, leaving it entirely up to whomever holds his registration to punt him round until they can raise a pre-determined sum of money?
There' me thinking everyone realised the slavery comments were in jest? Turns out FS actually believes that human beings can still be bought and sold like cattle.
Spot on Pogue. And there are many example of situations where a player is not willing to move to a particular club, even though they're offering more to your current employer, and so they accept a lesser offer from another club. Ronaldinho and Kaka are good examples, both having turned City down, both moving to clubs for far less money, and yet the club they leave behind still make the deal, because the option they're faced with is an unhappy player in their own squad, and missing out on what is still a very good monetary deal for them, albeit not the most they could have made had the players wishes been otherwise. And these are situations where the club owns the player. Of course the player is going to have the major say in the deal Tevez had, and it's up to his owners to then get the best deal possible for him according to his wishes
Feedings problem as always is that he's going to take the article out of context from the normal ways and laws of football, and analyse it to within an inch of its life, to the point its so twisted and distorted it doesn't have any meaning anyway, with a prejudice to whatever his view was coming into his 'analysis', which usually, conveniently, is whatever the 'opposing' current view is, especially if it's opposed to the supporters he takes a particular dislike to, which on here is passionate supporters who question the integrity of their own or former players
http://www.dirtytackle.net/2009/07/man-city-stick-it-to-united-with-billboards/#more-8287
like tevez still? he can feck off
"I first made an approach four months ago to express an interest in Carlos," Mijatovic told the Daily Mail.
"We have spoken since with his representatives, but he's informed us that he wants to stay in England.
"Carlos says it's important to his family to stay in England, so it seems he will either stay with Manchester United or find another club.
"It takes a special type of player to play for a club like Real Madrid or Manchester United, and clearly Carlos has those qualities."
This is old news.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5327195,00.html
"I first made an approach four months ago to express an interest in Carlos," Mijatovic told the Daily Mail.
"We have spoken since with his representatives, but he's informed us that he wants to stay in England.
"Carlos says it's important to his family to stay in England, so it seems he will either stay with Manchester United or find another club.
"It takes a special type of player to play for a club like Real Madrid or Manchester United, and clearly Carlos has those qualities."
Kia claimed that Tevez recieved an offer from Real months ago and this was backed up by Real at the time.
Actually, you and Pogue are taking the article 'out of context from the normal ways and laws of football' because the content of the quotes doesn't show there was any viable bid from Real - normally you'd be all over such a mistake.
There is no indication that Kia et al found themselves in anything like the situation that Ronaldinho's and Kaka's 'owners' did at that stage in the offering club's progression.
What situation do you think was the case when the supposed 'rejection' of Real by Tevez took place btw. That City could never get anywhere during Tevez's tenure - or that he would have too much competition to get enough games? If neither of these applied then why would he necessarily reject a move to City that hs owners preferred?
Ronaldinho and Kaka were sufficiently unhappy about moves in the past to potentially cost their clubs money - though Kaka (eg.) gave his club another year before moving on. That happened not to be the case for Tevez in very different circumstances IF any viable offer was actually on the table.
It can't be anything to do with that - it must have been just about money - don't you know that?
Obviously, I mean who wouldn't want to uproot their toddler and family and move to a new country and start a new life.
Actually FS I've never even commented on the veracity of the article in question, or the situation of Tevez, in fact I've deliberately not done, because I know you'd automatically pigeon hole me into the point of view you'd like me to fit in to so you could argue with me, which is precisely what you've done
I merely agree with Pogues statement that players have a say in where they play. Of course they do. It's not like it used to be. It's not the be all and end all, if the club (or in this case owners) play hardball, there's nothing the player can do...
This would be the daughter that he uprooted from Argentina to Brazil. Then from Brazil to England, and then again from London to Manchester would it?
Good old family values Carlos. Never mind he was with another woman when his child was born, he went back to her and yet subsequently cheated on her while he was playing for us
At some point, you'll stop blowing smoke up his arse where it aint due. Your delusions of objectivity have no credibility whatsoever, we've all seen how you've been with Tevez throughout this
It's not so much whether the content of the article is true - more whether the headline reflects it - and how more perceptive posters here would normally react to that combination.
Instead of agreeing that the article doesn't really show that Tevez was ever in a situation to reject a specific offer (as you probably would for most other players) you use it as a launching pad for the view you want to promote that tevez's decision was just about money, even though the grounds for this providing evidence for your case is laughable. It's the desperate use of the most tenuous indication of possible circumstance that I find disturbing.
Normally you'd discount the idea that this piece showed Tevez had anything viable to reject - yet instead you use it as putative grounds to put him in a comparable situation to players who did eventually have alternative viable offers to accept. Nothing here suggests Tevez had Real as a viable alternative - yet you bang on about other players holding out for better clubs as if the article was gospel.
Players have some influence (and at certain stages of their contracts quite a lot) - but it's still a balance between benefits and losses for the owners in light of the player's wishes. Having some influence doesn't mean the players dictate what happens according to their whim - nor dies it indicate that players mke decisions for the reasonsyou'd like to assume.
Brad his daughter is 4 years old. Are you seriously saying it isn't more disruptive to move countries when you are 4 as to when you are 1?
I mean seriously! He has been in England for 3 years. That is the majority of her life. She will speak spanish and English, but she will be settled her. When she moved to England it won't of affected her one bit!
I don't care whether the guy has had affairs. I suppose you have some sort of proof of this? Either way that has nothing to do with uprooting his kid, who has spent a big part of her life here and considers this country her home.
Good stuff FS, I can expose another trait of yours. You now have me pigeon holed as someone who hates Tevez with passion, has always been against him, and this has given me the excuse to have a public pop at him (I'm speculating here, but I think it's because you think English football supporters, particular the type of support you think I am, are inherently racist against foreign players)
In your imagination only Brad.
I'm certainly categorising you as someone who wants to have a go at him now - because he's rejected you and pissed you off by going to City. I have made no claim or implication about your earlier attitudes.
I am also pointing out that you not only fail to point out that the article does not justify the headlines, but that you also want to pretend the headline is true to make false comparisons to different situations experienced by other players - in order to make (what must therefore amount to unjustified) further neagtive remarks about Tevez.
That's it really - the rest is all in your head - which makes the (excised) bulk of your post rather redundant..
There are many reasonable reasons to dislike Tevez to some degree (though only the 'jeer at Fergie' one has provoked any ire from me) - so there is no need for folks to manufacture additional fuel for hatred in the ludicrous, and false way, they (inc yourself) are doing.
Yes, I forgot you spoke to Carlos and he told you all these things... oh no wait you're making it up on his behalf, silly me
Think of the horror of uprooting her to Madrid, where she'd have to speak... the one fecking language her father can speak!!!
Besides which, you use this as a reason why he choose to play for City, and not for monetary reasons. Even though other English clubs, not willing to pay as much, but willing to give him greater professional fulfilment i.e play in the Champions League this season leading into a World Cup, namely Chelsea and MANCHESTER fecking UNITED, and he turned them down. And took the buck. Fair enough. No ones stopping him, he can do as he wishes given his contract situation. But we'll judge him on it, and we'll put our point of view across on football forums. And when you're acting as his P. R. agent and personal sex assistant, we'll damn well call you up on it
Actually it's not in my head, and most will be nodding reading that knowing exactly what I'm on about. If they've bothered to read it because it's yet another dull as ditch water Brad vs FS debate
But this is where I've learnt. There's zero point 'debating' with you, because you come in with a fixed point of view, and you're not interesting in having an open mind and perhaps changing it if you hear good arguments to the contrary, instead you'll try and twist and manipulate and dig yourself a hole
So I won't debate with you. I'm out. I'll let some other mug fall for it
You clearly don't have a clue, and aren't worth arguing with mainly because you don't listen to any reason!
He blatently said he didn't want to uproot his child who was currently learning English. She has been here since she was 1. So I think she will be learning Engish as her main language, and will be learning spanish at home. She will be settled in a school most probably as well.
My sister had a child 2 years ago, she had the child in England and then a few months later moved to the Philippines. Now the child was unfazed and really benefited from it, because she learned the language there and English with her parents. She is currently here on a 2 month vacation in England. Moving here to live for 2 months has clearly unsettled her, not only does she miss the people she has left behind, but where she used to speak English a lot in the Philippines she now only speaks tagalog here and very little English. So I think I do have some understanding of what I am talking about Brad.
For Tevez, moving his child now at this stage would unsettle her a lot more than she ever would of been previously.
...If City hadn't made an offer, would he have stayed at United for family reasons? Hardly likely given what's been said, is it...
For someone who knows what they're on about, you don't seem to realise how the English education system works. Settled into school at the age of 4? Typically children don't start school until the age of 5 here, perhaps having attending nursery school prior to that. In Tevez's situation, I don't know the facts but it's entirely possible she's on private tuition anyway
It was lovely reading about your sister, but what did that have to do with Carlos? Did you tell him that story and he made his decision based off that or something?
I don't discount that family reasons player a role in where he wanted to be. If City hadn't made an offer, would he have stayed at United for family reasons? Hardly likely given what's been said, is it. What I discount is the idea that Tevez picked City because of reasons other than money. That is the all consuming reason, because there are no other reasons that make any semblance of logical sense. Even if he didn't want to uproot his kid to another country, he could have player for a club in the Champions League in this country. And given much of his complaining about not being first choice at United, it's a bit fecking rich moving to the club with more strikers than anyone else right now
In what bizarre fecking parallel universe does a footballer have no say in the next club he plays for, leaving it entirely up to whomever holds his registration to punt him round until they can raise a pre-determined sum of money?
There' me thinking everyone realised the slavery comments were in jest? Turns out FS actually believes that human beings can still be bought and sold like cattle.