Most Overrated Bands / Artists

Arctic Monkeys are talented musicians but the way the media and some of their fans talk about them you would think that they were this generation's version of the Stones, which they just aren't-yet.
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
Arctic Monkeys are talented musicians but the way the media and some of their fans talk about them you would think that they were this generation's version of the Stones, which they just aren't-yet.
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No one said they were, not in here anyway, but they certainly are going in the right direction.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
You think the white musicians picked up the songs from having the black artists play it to them? Nonsense. They stole them from the recordings by the independent labels.

And, although early blues was an oral tradition amongst black musicians in the USA, there were many recorded albums (with discreet songs under copyright) by black blues artists which didn't achieve commercial success for largely racial reasons. The white artists (and labels) then cynically took whatever they wanted from these records, recorded the songs themselves and made a fortune through 'sanitising' the blues for a white audience. Only much later did some royalties and credit go to the original songwriters through lawsuits and out-of-court settlements.
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A lot of the great Black Blues men owe a lot to the "theft" of their music by the whities. The success of the Beatles,Stones,Clapton etc. did great things for the Blues movements and especially the recognition of the likes of Robert Johnson, BB King etc. who's music was the base for a lot of these peoples success.
 
ukbob said:
A lot of the great Black Blues men owe a lot to the "theft" of their music by the whities. The success of the Beatles,Stones,Clapton etc. did great things for the Blues movements and especially the recognition of the likes of Robert Johnson, BB King etc. who's music was the base for a lot of these peoples success.
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Undoubtedly; there is nothing wrong with covering a song so long as you give fair song writing credit and therefore royalties to the original artist. I see it as a shame that Led Zep didn't do this, at least not until they started to get sued left, right and centre. It's a shame because some of their songs are excellent cover versions which add to the originals and can be appreciated as such.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Undoubtedly; there is nothing wrong with covering a song so long as you give fair song writing credit and therefore royalties to the original artist. I see it as a shame that Led Zep didn't do this, at least not until they started to get sued left, right and centre. It's a shame because some of their songs are excellent cover versions which add to the originals and can be appreciated as such.
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Clapton has done this and is recognised by the "Bluesmen". It was great to see his picture in BB Kings blues club alongside all the "greats", Howlin Wolf,Muddy Waters,Buddy Guy,JL Hooker etc.
I was talking to Buddy Guy once at the Long Beach Blues Festival and asked him who was/is the biggest influence in the success of the Blues recognition. His answer was the likes of the early British rock movement that owed a lot of their writing talents to the Blues in America, The Stones and the Beatles in particular, but his #1 was Clapton who did and still is involved with this music.
 
ukbob said:
Clapton has done this and is recognised by the "Bluesmen". It was great to see his picture in BB Kings blues club alongside all the "greats", Howlin Wolf,Muddy Waters,Buddy Guy,JL Hooker etc.
I was talking to Buddy Guy once at the Long Beach Blues Festival and asked him who was/is the biggest influence in the success of the Blues recognition. His answer was the likes of the early British rock movement that owed a lot of their writing talents to the Blues in America, The Stones and the Beatles in particular, but his #1 was Clapton who did and still is involved with this music.
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Yeah I have no problem with artists (such as Clapton) who do give the proper credit.
 
I've never really got the Libertines. Their music just seems dull to me, clever at best. I've always felt Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt is very overrated, his vocals are very poor and he doesn't capture the essence of the song in my opinion, it's too slow and lacks the uplifting feel of the original. I think a lot of people don't really understand what the song is about, a lot of people seeem to think "He's singing a sad song about his life because he's dying" when it's a song about heroin and Cash was relating it to the addictions in his life personally.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Not necessarily bad, but overrated...

1. Led Zeppelin - Great session musicians that got famous stealing other people's songs. Tarnishes their best recordings for me.

2. Oasis - Living off their first album, which in retrospect isn't all it's cracked up to be. All image, little substance, no innovation.

3. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Have done some classic stuff, but albums often filled out with rubbish. Generally poor live.

4. Arctic Monkeys - Treated like the second coming, but in reality nothing out of the ordinary or special at all.

5. Muse - Decent band, especially live, but no way near what some people make them out to be.
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I agree with everything you say, except the Arctic Monkeys comments. They are a shining light in a pretty shit music scene
 
I find it difficult to rate people who don't write/produce the majority of their own stuff, because then you're not an artist, you a singer. Elvis comes into that league.

This following person is more over rated than the most over rated person on the planet: Kylie Minogue
 
My take on Led Zeppelin being overated is that it's nonsense. Led Zeppelin were the most panned group of all time.The media hated Led Zeppelin at the time they came out.It was only after they were on the way out did the media miss them and give them accolades.
The media were so bad to them that they put an album out(1V) with no mention of thier name anywhere on the cover -front and back,and with no publicity pushing the album sales.And we all know how well it sold to the real critics -the public.
As far as then ripping off old musicians,thats been done since popular music started.The whole British Invasion was american blues brought to the masses.Cream did it,the Stones,everyone. You may as well have no popular music and just listen to old bluesmen as our basis for music in the last 70 years.Oh and yes,Led Zeppelins sound has been ripped off for 30 years. You don't hear them complaining,as you never heard the old bluesmen complaining.If anything,bands like Led Zep,Cream and the like brought an awareness to these old bluesmasters that were being ignored in the States.
 
Just to get this thread back on track :rolleyes: U2 are wank.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
:lol: We may as well close the entertainment forum then.

I have myself been to see U2, Oasis, Muse, Arctic Monkeys and Red Hot Chili Peppers live, doesn't stop me thinking people in general overrate them though (I wouldn't say U2 are all that overrated myself).
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I've seen them twice and bar "Bad" at Live Aid , I think they're Massively over rated ...............and Bono is a cockbiscuit, Pert.
 
ukbob said:
Clapton has done this and is recognised by the "Bluesmen". It was great to see his picture in BB Kings blues club alongside all the "greats", Howlin Wolf,Muddy Waters,Buddy Guy,JL Hooker etc.
I was talking to Buddy Guy once at the Long Beach Blues Festival and asked him who was/is the biggest influence in the success of the Blues recognition. His answer was the likes of the early British rock movement that owed a lot of their writing talents to the Blues in America, The Stones and the Beatles in particular, but his #1 was Clapton who did and still is involved with this music.
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Have you ever seen Victor Brox Blues Train, Bob?

Absolutely under rated..........

Victor was Jimi Hendrix's favourite white Blues singer, apparently.
(Can I say that)? :nervous:
 
Plechazunga said:
Are they?

I thought the first couple of singles sounded quite fresh and even occasionally witty, since then they've turned into a sort of Northern Chaz and Dave
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Of course they are, especially when you take into consideration their age.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Not necessarily bad, but overrated...

1. Led Zeppelin - Great session musicians that got famous stealing other people's songs. Tarnishes their best recordings for me.

2. Oasis - Living off their first album, which in retrospect isn't all it's cracked up to be. All image, little substance, no innovation.

3. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Have done some classic stuff, but albums often filled out with rubbish. Generally poor live.

4. Arctic Monkeys - Treated like the second coming, but in reality nothing out of the ordinary or special at all.

5. Muse - Decent band, especially live, but no way near what some people make them out to be.
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Don't think the Chilis have had a bad album since One Hot Minute.

They get a lot of stick because people don't see them as pushing the envelope or coming up with new styles. In reality, since Californication they've found a voice and a sound that they're really comfortable with, and appeals to certain listeners. And they've gotten very good at making this sound.
 
spinoza said:
Don't think the Chilis have had a bad album since One Hot Minute.

They get a lot of stick because people don't see them as pushing the envelope or coming up with new styles. In reality, since Californication they've found a voice and a sound that they're really comfortable with, and appeals to certain listeners. And they've gotten very good at making this sound.
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I like the Chillis, have for many years, but they are also a band that I don't have any albums by, haven't heard one yet that I like enough fully to sit down and listen too. They are more of a singles band to me.
 
RedNome said:
I like the Chillis, have for many years, but they are also a band that I don't have any albums by, haven't heard one yet that I like enough fully to sit down and listen too. They are more of a singles band to me.
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Yes, that's true.

Having said that though, Stadium Arcadium is as good a collection of singles as you'll ever hear.
 
spinoza said:
Yes, that's true.

Having said that though, Stadium Arcadium is as good a collection of singles as you'll ever hear.
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Suffered from being a double album for me. If they'd of cut it in half I think they could of had a classic on their hands. Shame really, but double albums invariably fail imo.
 
RedNome said:
Suffered from being a double album for me. If they'd of cut it in half I think they could of had a classic on their hands. Shame really, but double albums invariably fail imo.
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Except the White Album, which Plech tried to turn into a new religion?

Agree re SA. Their original plan, which was to release 3 mini albums of about 10 tracks each (with about 7 more songs in total) would have worked better.
 
Plechazunga said:
Are they?

I thought the first couple of singles sounded quite fresh and even occasionally witty, since then they've turned into a sort of Northern Chaz and Dave
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You would have to look beyond the singles really, at the stuff on their albums and their B-sides, which you're obviously not going to do unless you're a fan.
 
Plechazunga said:
Musicians? Maybe, I don't know their stuff that well. Sounds like standard guitar indie to me.
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I'm a big critic of that genre and I would say it's far from standard guitar indie. There is plenty that marks them out above that, as I said earlier they have their own sound that has been copied since and copied badly, but for me these guys will stand the test of time as long as their music matures as they do.
 
spinoza said:
Except the White Album, which Plech tried to turn into a new religion?

Agree re SA. Their original plan, which was to release 3 mini albums of about 10 tracks each (with about 7 more songs in total) would have worked better.
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To be honest I think that suffers the same sympton, too many fillers, not my favorite Beatles album by a long shot.
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
You would have to look beyond the singles really, at the stuff on their albums and their B-sides, which you're obviously not going to do unless you're a fan.
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RedNome said:
I'm a big critic of that genre and I would say it's far from standard guitar indie. There is plenty that marks them out above that, as I said earlier they have their own sound that has been copied since and copied badly, but for me these guys will stand the test of time as long as their music matures as they do.
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I'll have to take your word for it cnutos. Still unsure if you mean they're great musicians in the technical sense of being virtuosos with their instruments, or you mean it in a looser sense.

spinoza said:
Except the White Album, which Plech tried to turn into a new religion?
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:lol: you've got a great memory

I agree, though that said, a normal-sized album culled from the White Album would be unbelievable. Something like:

Back in the USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness is a Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Julia
Yer Blues
Sexy Sadie
Helter Skelter
Long Long Long

Plus maybe one of Piggies or Savoy Truffle to stop George moaning
 
Plechazunga said:
:lol: you've got a great memory

I agree, though that said, a normal-sized album culled from the White Album would be unbelievable. Something like:

Back in the USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness is a Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Julia
Yer Blues
Sexy Sadie
Helter Skelter
Long Long Long

Plus maybe one of Piggies or Savoy Truffle to stop George moaning
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George wrote While My Guitar Gently Weeps, which owns most of the other songs.

Did you get any converts before you sobered up?

EDIT - I used I Will as the theme song for my wedding... worked out really well. In that context I've got to say that that's my favourite Beatles song ever.
 
Plechazunga said:
I'll have to take your word for it cnutos. Still unsure if you mean they're great musicians in the technical sense of being virtuosos with their instruments, or you mean it in a looser sense.
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More in the looser sense, ie in the way they can all play excellently well for the style they play, but more for their song writing and arranging skills aswell.
 
feck, can't believe I forgot While My Guitar Gently Weeps

Incredible performance from Clapton on that record too... the cnut

Congrats on the wedding btw mate, not sure I ever said... did festivities go to plan (not counting your bank-balance)?
 
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