New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released

[Toblerone92]

Big Word for Paul that is.
On your comments, this is a worry for some fans, because the owners will be chasing to pay off the stadium costs as fast as possible. So extortionate ticket prices and non United events (England, American singers etc) will be important in doing so. Therefore the club doesn’t remain as the main focus.
It’s all well and good now. But if results on the pitch don’t change we’ll look pathetic as a club when Taylor Swift is performing the night after we’ve been spanked against Bournemouth for example. But some fans will reel out the old, ‘the clubs still making money’ argument.

Ineos have already made some poor signings so I’m more concerned about them getting this right and having us heading in the right direction on the pitch before new stadium stuff is spoke about.

I’d be curious to know how many of 845 who have voted on this poll so far, will be going tonight.

Just my opinion, which holds no more weight than anyone else’s here and will be scoffed at by some, which they have the right to do, but this whole thing looks more like a financial dream for the owners (who won’t recycle the profits back into the club) then it does on actually improving results on the pitch. Which is all that matters to me. I couldn’t give a damn how many homes or jobs are created. It’s not Manchester United’s responsibility to give people homes or provide catering jobs.

How is that relevant? We have a global fanbase and the majority of the people on this forum cannot attend games every week, if at all, for all manner of reasons.

Give it a rest mate. Yesterday you were in this thread claiming that "people who like the stadium don't understand what the club is about" and now you are implying that if people don't actually attend games then their opinion is somehow worth less than those who do. We get it, you're a top red that is lucky enough to go to games each week, but you don't get to be arbiter of how to support the club.

 

[Fugeeface]

I would prefer to renovate the old stadium but thinking in terms of the next 100 years, it's better to start from scratch and aim for perfection.

We're aiming for the best football stadium in the world with a 100,000 capacity which I think will give us the highest average attendance in world football.

I don't think that's possible without starting from scratch.

I'm not sure it's possible to increase the capacity much on the current site. The train line causes too many problems.

Moving the stadium is much better for access as it can be accessed from all sides then.

Also in terms of regenerating the area, it probably requires moving the stadium and upgrading public transport infrastructure.

In regards to the "best stadium in the world" - every new big stadium aims for that. Some achieve it but for how long? Two years? Three? Until the next big thing comes along, and then it isn't the best anymore.
Personally I don't think it has to be the best in the world, it is a rather subjective thing.

I agree that current Old Trafford cannot be transformed into a modern stadium. For me the new stadium might cut the last tie to the club I have. The last ten years have eroded the connection and I don't see how that comes back with the direction we're heading.

 

[Plant0x84]

just exposing ignorance. Not liking the building is one thing, mocking language/culture is another. And it's definetely not humor. Key&Peele is humor, Fry&Laurie is humor, Ricky Gervais is humor. Supermacy is not. If doesn't fit your taste - I accept, belittling my culture - I won't.

What the actual feck are you ranting about?! Weirdo.

My comment was literally a joke about your word ‘Shatyr’ being similar to ‘shitter’ (English slang for toilet) and Old Trafford being known as Old toilet by opposition supporters. I haven’t said anything about not liking the building, anything derogatory about your country or belittling your culture. Calm down.

Oh and for the love of all that’s holy, never watch Borat. Your head might explode.

 

[Marcelinho87]

I don't even know why Sky Sports give him such air time. He has no clue.

What these outfits such as Sky Sports need to realise is just because you were a professional footballer, doesn't mean they are intelligent.

Why is he even there commenting on United stuff.

For this very reason, it drives engagement.

They don’t care for quality but for you and others to click and be irate.

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

I really like it, its different as in the next stage of stadium evolution. I would also trust Norman Foster to get this right.

 

[stevoc]

I didn't really associate Man Utd with the trident though . So it feels weird to theme a stadium around it. It doesn't symbolise the club or city really.

I don't call them the red devils either though.

I think they should've latched onto something else really and themed the stadium around that.

Like "Theatre of Dreams" maybe.
Or "Reinvention" maybe as a theme of the city and club.

Which physical shape would the stadium take if themed after the Theatre of Dreams?

 

[stevoc]

Has there been any explanation as to what the UFO looking thing halfway up the western point of the 'trident' is?

I'm guessing a lift up to an observation deck maybe.

 

[stevoc]

Does anyone know why the stadium is being built partially underground? 17m or so I think.

I know the Nou Camp is built like this.

Is there a specific reason for this?

The stands don't need to be as tall then to accomodate the amount of seats needed.

 

[romufc]

For this very reason, it drives engagement.

They don’t care for quality but for you and others to click and be irate.

No, I never click on that has Paul Merson on it... I can't stand that bloke.

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

I'm guessing a lift up to an observation deck maybe.

its got to be, how much will they charge for a ride on that i wonder

 

[stevoc]

its got to be, how much will they charge for a ride on that i wonder

It'll probably be part of the stadium tour.

 

[stevoc]

There's a difference between what the managers etc do and the way the paying customer should be treated

I'm fine with the shenenigans by the managersand such like, but treating away fans like shit for supporting their team is petty, we don't and shouldn't need to do that

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the away dressing room not the away section in the stands.

 

[AdamColeBebe]

its got to be, how much will they charge for a ride on that i wonder

It reminds me of the lookout tower from Dragon Ball Z

 

[Escobar]

State of the art facilities and stadium is a start. Hopefully football, squad and finances follow soon

 

[NLunited]

Looks amazing.

 

[next_number_seven]

In regards to the "best stadium in the world" - every new big stadium aims for that. Some achieve it but for how long? Two years? Three? Until the next big thing comes along, and then it isn't the best anymore.
Personally I don't think it has to be the best in the world, it is a rather subjective thing.

I agree that current Old Trafford cannot be transformed into a modern stadium. For me the new stadium might cut the last tie to the club I have. The last ten years have eroded the connection and I don't see how that comes back with the direction we're heading.

There's not many football teams that could fill 100,000 seats every week. Or who could finance building such a stadium.

Or who have the space adjacent to their old stadium to build it without much disruption.

All of these aspects are unique to us.

So it's a unique opportunity.

I'm undecided on the actual design but I'm excited by the overall vision.

 

[next_number_seven]

Which physical shape would the stadium take if themed after the Theatre of Dreams?

Good question.

I'm not sure

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Looks amazing.

Wonder if they thought about a way to cover the whole roof and decided against it. When it rains the wing backs will be nice and dry at least!

 

[ThinkTank@Cafe]

What the actual feck are you ranting about?! Weirdo.

My comment was literally a joke about your word ‘Shatyr’ being similar to ‘shitter’ (English slang for toilet) and Old Trafford being known as Old toilet by opposition supporters. I haven’t said anything about not liking the building, anything derogatory about your country or belittling your culture. Calm down.

Oh and for the love of all that’s holy, never watch Borat. Your head might explode.

I knew you couldn’t resist recalling Borat. I’m used to that. I knew that someday a person like Trump will come to power long ago because I met too many his potential voters.

The word “Shatyr” sounds more like French “Chartre”. It means “dome” or “tent”. For me, there is no any obvious connection to “shitter”. But you managed to find one and decided to share that with me. You also presumed I would find it amusing. Are you dumb? I never insulted you, just commented my actions. You are now insulting me.

I watched the movie and found it hilarious because it has nothing to do with my country. It’s all about the Westerners like you. You are Borat.

I am writing this in your language because you know no other.

 

[SungSam7]

From afar the stadium looks strange but when you see the concept designs under it, then you see what's it all about.

I'm going to wait till they break ground before believing it will ever come true.

 

[Red in STL]

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the away dressing room not the away section in the stands.

It was about both, at last initially

 

[next_number_seven]

I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Match day programme

 

[Red the Bear]

Why the ommission of a retractable roof?

 

[Plant0x84]

I knew you couldn’t resist recalling Borat. I’m used to that. I knew that someday a person like Trump will come to power long ago because I met too many his potential voters.

The word “Shatyr” sounds more like French “Chartre”. It means “dome” or “tent”. For me, there is no any obvious connection to “shitter”. But you managed to find one and decided to share that with me. You also presumed I would find it amusing. Are you dumb? I never insulted you, just commented my actions. You are now insulting me.

I watched the movie and found it hilarious because it has nothing to do with my country. It’s all about the Westerners like you. You are Borat.

I am writing this in your language because you know no other.

Very presumptuous of you. Also very high and mighty. Think tank indeed.

 

[Plant0x84]

Why the ommission of a retractable roof?

Not necessary, football is an outdoor sport.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Not necessary, football is an outdoor sport.

It is and I agree but it’ll be interesting to see if the umbrella covers parts of the pitch and not others.

 

[Red in STL]

I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.

There's a variety of reasons but essentially the options are limited in part bcause of lack of space to build them and partly because a lot of the surrounding areas were industrial estates and a lack of footfall. the future includes 4K homes so the footfall would increase + fans for both football and cricket would be ehough to sustain more going forward

 

[welshwingwizard]

I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.

I think the London Stadium and surrounding Stratford area where West Ham play is a good indication of how it can work when you have different groups working together to regenerate an area. I know Westfield the shopping centre was there before but there are lots of restaurants close to the ground and open spaces which make it inviting to stay around for a while.

 

[Moriarty]

I agree that current Old Trafford cannot be transformed into a modern stadium. For me the new stadium might cut the last tie to the club I have. The last ten years have eroded the connection and I don't see how that comes back with the direction we're heading.

I know what you mean. I accept that the days of the terraces will never return and that football - in its widest sense - has changed for me beyond all recognition. I'm still hanging on by a thread but my love of United is rooted way back in the past. The current set up leaves me cold.

 

[cpresc]

Just heard in the Amorim interview that the new stadium will be visible from Liverpool haha

 

[jojojo]

I live in Ireland so haven't visited Old Trafford much and when I do I'm trying to save my money.

But am I right in saying that people don't spend much time around the stadium before and after games?

People get in and out quite quickly?

There's not even that many food and drink options in the general area of the stadium.

Is there a reason for this? Is it just that the footfall isn't enough to sustain businesses long term.

If you mean immediately round the stadium - there's not much. Car parks, semi deserted warehouses, the freight yard. Burger vans on match days. There's certainly nowhere to sit and no cover if you want to stand around chatting.

You don't have to go far to find cafés, restaurants, bars but they're in places where people are working, shopping, living every day - not in places like the stadium area that only have people for a couple of hours per week.

Whether United can pull off the same trick as the Lowry museum and the BBC studios and deliver the pulling power for Quays II, I don't know. Personally, I like the ambition though.

Some regulars will ignore the fanzone etc completely just like some park or catch the tram to near the Quays and ignore the chain cafes, restaurants, bars etc now. It's a leap of faith to believe that other fans will stop and spend. It's an even bigger leap to believe that you can keep these new hospitality businesses in business all year.

Which is why United talk about it only making sense if the rest of the project goes ahead. It's also why they've surrounded themselves with people and businesses who've delivered big mixed use development schemes before.

 

[Plant0x84]

It is and I agree but it’ll be interesting to see if the umbrella covers parts of the pitch and not others.

I don’t think so, the hole in the centre looks fairly central. The umbrella seems to be more about creating useable spaces outside of the stadium.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

I don’t think so, the hole in the centre looks fairly central. The umbrella seems to be more about creating useable spaces outside of the stadium.

And to cover the stands they said. The hole ‘looks’ smaller than pitch size but it’s only concept art so we’ll see.

 

[Plant0x84]

And to cover the stands they said. The hole ‘looks’ smaller than pitch size but it’s only concept art so we’ll see.

Yeah. It’s probably more covered than OT to be fair.

 

[next_number_seven]

I think the London Stadium and surrounding Stratford area where West Ham play is a good indication of how it can work when you have different groups working together to regenerate an area. I know Westfield the shopping centre was there before but there are lots of restaurants close to the ground and open spaces which make it inviting to stay around for a while.

West Ham fans hate the new stadium.

 

[next_number_seven]

There's a variety of reasons but essentially the options are limited in part bcause of lack of space to build them and partly because a lot of the surrounding areas were industrial estates and a lack of footfall. the future includes 4K homes so the footfall would increase + fans for both football and cricket would be ehough to sustain more going forward

I think they mentioned 17,000 homes.

 

[next_number_seven]

If you mean immediately round the stadium - there's not much. Car parks, semi deserted warehouses, the freight yard. Burger vans on match days. There's certainly nowhere to sit and no cover if you want to stand around chatting.

You don't have to go far to find cafés, restaurants, bars but they're in places where people are working, shopping, living every day - not in places like the stadium area that only have people for a couple of hours per week.

Whether United can pull off the same trick as the Lowry museum and the BBC studios and deliver the pulling power for Quays II, I don't know. Personally, I like the ambition though.

Some regulars will ignore the fanzone etc completely just like some park or catch the tram to near the Quays and ignore the chain cafes, restaurants, bars etc now. It's a leap of faith to believe that other fans will stop and spend. It's an even bigger leap to believe that you can keep these new hospitality businesses in business all year.

Which is why United talk about it only making sense if the rest of the project goes ahead. It's also why they've surrounded themselves with people and businesses who've delivered big mixed use development schemes before.

You can tell they're hoping it will be a destination spot beyond the 30+ home games a season.

Sir Jim said it could be a fan zone for away matches, which might be possible but I think most people are too lazy. They might go for big matches like CL and FA cup or maybe England WC matches.

Also he said Man United have a billion global followers who'd like to visit, which is obviously nonsense.

If they build 17,000 homes there though it would be a good start and create a community around the stadium.

I'm skeptical. It's difficult enough to sustain a business with 365 days of footfall for 12 hours a day. It's impossible to sustain one for 30+ days for a few hours.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

 

[Plant0x84]

Only problem is we aren’t good at goals currently