New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released

Thoughts on the design?


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Of course, it's my opinion. That's what a forum is for, to share your opinion, and I've had a look at what others seem to think, and it seems divided right down the middle. What is the point you're trying to make?

That "fan engagement" on a topic like this would be a non-starter.
 
There are always people who don't like change. And this is a very big change.
But I completely agree with Sir Alex Ferguson. We must be brave and strive for the very best in everything. And that includes the stadium.

Old Trafford is our home. But it is looking and feeling extremely tired.
I have been to the new Tottenham Hotspur stadium and it is breathtaking.

So as long as it is done well including the finances, I am very much in favour.
Hope I will live to see it.
 
From this it looks like a demolish and then build...will we be groundsharing during this period?
Nah it looks like a build, and maybe chop of a bit of OT at some point (excuse the crude photoshopping)

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The additional revenue this will generate will mean we can blow every other club in the league out of the water in PSR terms (assuming that's still a thing).

Think about it, 20,000 extra tickets per game at an average of say 50 quid per ticket. That's an extra million £ every single home game. Then you would assume the average spend per fan on other things (food, drink etc) will go up. Let's say that goes up by £5 per fan on average, that's another £500,000 per game.

Then you add in all the other shit (NFL, rugby, boxing, concerts etc.) you realise this thing is a money printing machine.

Agree.

According to this, Spurs have 15 upcoming concerts in 2025....
https://www.songkick.com/venues/4368336-tottenham-hotspur-stadium/calendar

And obviously, when an artist or band goes to London, they could also be playing Wembley, The Emirates or the Olympic Stadium.

With an 100k capacity, or more with floor standing or seats, the new OT will be the number one venue in the north. The club could easily be making 10 mil an event.
 
What is bollocks?

"Obviously can’t please everyone, but in the end, I believe everyone will love it."

Why will everyone love it in the end? Because you like it? It's just an empty, banal comment based on nothing. This "you can't please everyone" platitude is only spouted by people who like the design, of course.
 
Interesting design. The roof reminds me a lot of the Munich Olympiastadion with its spiderweb-like, tiled design, just way, way grander. The stadium beneath that itself looks a bit on the generic side, but there's only really so much a shape you can give it without messing with its function.

What I love the most about it really is the design of the surrounding premises, and the redevelopment of the entire ward around it. Looks really amazing, and as Sir Norman says, it's not just a concrete car parking desert, it's a living, breathing neighborhood and event space.

The big question however is the funding. That they are entirely quiet about it does not sound too great for the actual feasability unless very unlikely massive government contributions emerge.
 
"Obviously can’t please everyone, but in the end, I believe everyone will love it."

Why will everyone love it in the end? Because you like it? It's just an empty, banal comment based on nothing. This "you can't please everyone" nonsense is only spouted by people who like the design, of course.

People tend to hate change. It’s human nature. In the end, most people comes around and gets on with it. So I guess, most will love the stadion when it’s finished. In this case, I like it, but I would be just the same if I hated it.

Edit: I am talking in general. Not how you feel, you might hate it now and for the rest of your life.
 
From this it looks like a demolish and then build...will we be groundsharing during this period?
They've said somewhere no - the stadium will be built while we play at OT, then we move, OT is demolished and the rest is then developed up.
 
Looks amazing.....I thought at first glance the 'tent' went over the entire stadium, however looks like it's just covering the outer area.

If the match going supporters are complaining about 66q for a ticket now, wait until this thing opens up.
 
Nah it looks like a build, and maybe chop of a bit of OT at some point (excuse the crude photoshopping)

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They'll have to close some sections of old trafford I reckon looking at that. Might be a season of reduced capacity.
 
A whole lot of housing to be built around the stadium to. That means removing all the car parking on the Stretford End side. With a 22k capacity increase and parking already in short supply, i can see that being a huge issue.
If you're increasing capacity you need to discourage car travel or it will be a nightmare.
 
People tend to hate change. It’s human nature. In the end, most people comes around and gets on with it. So I guess, most will love the stadion when it’s finished. In this case, I like it, but I would be just the same if I hated it.

Edit: I am talking in general. Not how you feel, you might hate it now and for the rest of your life.

I mean, that's just neither here nor there. You have no idea how people will feel about it when it's built, you just want to reinforce your own opinion by saying "ah it's fine we'll all love it at the end". It's nonsense. Your banal take basically implies that anything new that gets built is for the best as people will always love it in the end, based solely on some tired cliche of "people hate change." Maybe some people have valid reasons why they don't like it and you suggesting that it's just about people not liking change is bollocks? What you mean to say is "I like it and I don't care that others don't". Which is fine by the way, but you don't need to add this layer of soothsayer platitudes to back yourself up.
 
Lord Norman Foster, eh. Didn't know he was still active.

It's more reminiscent of a Middle-Eastern tent style rather than the Red Devil's Trident and I'm failing to see the "industrial roots" other than a tiny reference through the steel supports of the glass panels above the stadium.

Also, that's not going to be built in five years.
 
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Think this is quite exciting tbh. Understand some genuine concerns (funding, for one) but I also think some people just want to moan about everything, particularly on the internet.
 
Can’t understand why no retractable roof this would have been ideal with the amount of rain in Manchester
 
Not sure if it's growing on me or it just looks better in that video but I'm coming round to it.

It'll look better in person most designs are going that way now, Creek Tower in Dubai for instance.

Towers are as old as our civilization and they're usually the landmarks we have in major cities
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Aim is for people to see it from a distance and want to go there, it'll be an iconic stadium and the surrounding area will create jobs and hopefully that marks more revenue for United.
 
Nah it looks like a build, and maybe chop of a bit of OT at some point (excuse the crude photoshopping)

wmRdGtI.jpeg
The footprint will be way bigger than that. I reckon we will take over the warehouses in the triangle to the north of the marshalling yards, which won't be needed when the terminal goes anyway, and either build over the canal or more likely divert it around the perimeter of the site. The axis might be north/south then.
 
All possibilities, but we will have to see.

My feeling is that you need that guaranteed revenue that season tickets bring in. The business model with 49k season tickets has worked for a long time.

I agree though, there may be a model where members pay more on a per ticket basis than ST holders. And i dont think that is unfair.

Nor would be a staggered pricing structure where you perhaps pay less for a Europa game. Hopefully we wont be in that competition though.

Spurs are 45k season ticket holders in their 80k stadium. Im not sure the number of ST holders at WHL, but it was only a capacity of 36k.

I would expect United to up the number of season tickets because there is nothing better on the books than guaranteed income at the start of the season.

If you look at the big grounds, all (apart from Liverpool who are very mean with their season tickets) allocate between 62 and 73% of available capacity to season tickets. Spurs allocate 71% while we put aside 69% currently.

You'd have to expect we'd maintain at least 65k STs in the new ground. That would leave us with 35k away end / general admission tickets to sell per game which is still the most of any ground in the country. Add that to the wildly improved and more attractive / profitable corporate and VIP facilities and they can win a PR battle and still make bank here.
 
It’s like one of those songs you hear that gets better as it goes along. At first it sounds not too bad, then sounds better another 30secs in and by half way through it starts sounding really good and is amazing by the end. I’ve looked at it several times now and it’s beginning to look great. My favourite touch is the trident spires, though some will deem it satanic. Muhahaha!
 
The one thing I like about this new stadium is that it’s going to be LOUD.

If we get the playing side improved, we’re going to become a fortress again, people will be afraid to come here.
People are still afraid to come here! Although admittedly that's largely due to legitimate safety concerns from the dilapidated construction.
 
What is wrong with a normal design where stadium is just for what it is supposed to be. Playing football.

I blame that I'm not young anymore and for me, probably minority, I'm not screaming "wow" about it.
 
This is quite informative and interesting:



The next phase of the design (RD2) will take 6-8 months for a team of 15-20 designers, after which a lot more of the detail of the final stadium design, will be made public.
 
There are always people who don't like change. And this is a very big change.
But I completely agree with Sir Alex Ferguson. We must be brave and strive for the very best in everything. And that includes the stadium.

Old Trafford is our home. But it is looking and feeling extremely tired.
I have been to the new Tottenham Hotspur stadium and it is breathtaking.

So as long as it is done well including the finances, I am very much in favour.
Hope I will live to see it.

Well said. Our history has always been steeped in embracing change and being the pioneers of English football. Our most successful periods have in large been down to the managers/owners of the time being willing to embrace new ways of doing things, prioritizing new tournaments and implementing new approaches to the game. Hopefully this is the catalyst to another great era for the club. This stadium would immediately out-date all those that have been redeveloped and built before it in this country.
 
What is wrong with a normal design where stadium is just for what it is supposed to be. Playing football.

I blame that I'm not young anymore and for me, probably minority, I'm not screaming "wow" about it.
You don't spend £3b+ on a big box with seats and grass in it
 
There are always people who don't like change. And this is a very big change.
But I completely agree with Sir Alex Ferguson. We must be brave and strive for the very best in everything. And that includes the stadium.

Old Trafford is our home. But it is looking and feeling extremely tired.
I have been to the new Tottenham Hotspur stadium and it is breathtaking.

So as long as it is done well including the finances, I am very much in favour.
Hope I will live to see it.
Well said Buster. It's counter-intuitive to the younger guys I know, but we old people care more about the future as time goes on, and that's what matters most, the future.