He was in the Cup, but that's about it. Otherwise he's gone about his business very professionally.
Liverpool 2024-25 | Most definitely winning the League Cup on Sunday
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Klopp is the Shankly and Slott is the Paisley.
All the ground work done by Klopp, for Slott to take the glory.
The only thing that is positive is VVD and Salah are hitting the mid 30s and Trent is definitely leaving. Robertson needs replacing.
Let's see how Slott goes about replacing these players. Won't be easy.
All the ground work done by Klopp, for Slott to take the glory.
The only thing that is positive is VVD and Salah are hitting the mid 30s and Trent is definitely leaving. Robertson needs replacing.
Let's see how Slott goes about replacing these players. Won't be easy.
Not sure which point in time you're referring to, but we don't have any players left from when Klopp came in. And even if you only go back to our most successful period under Klopp, both midfield and attack bar Salah have been completely overhauled as well since then.
"Grand finale" in the sense of "some players might be leaving" could indeed be true, but there's no indication that we're gonna fall off a cliff next season like United did after your 12/13 title. Not a certainty that we'll challenge for the title again of course, but a setback like United's is very unlikely imo.
He made 10 changes in the cup knowing it may not pay off. Going out gives his team a weekend off during a very busy period. It wasn’t naive just a calculated risk with no real downside, other than the minor pain of going out of the cup.
That's definitely downplaying it for me. Of course it was a calculated risk but not having sufficient difference makers on the bench was not a risk but a mistake, even if only in hindsight.
The FA Cup is also a bigger deal than the League Cup, and we would still be on course for 4 trophies if we had gone through.
Gomez was signed the summer before Klopp came in but otherwise yes
Oh yeah, fecking hell he's been at the club for 10 years? Didn't think much further along than our starting eleven at the moment to be fair.
Really hope he scores a goal for us one day, the celebrations will be huge
It's over because where is the challenge coming from, Liverpool looking by far the best side, Arsenal not up to it, league is over
I'm referring to still having the core of TAA/VVD/Salah/Allisson all still firing this year.
And no I don't mean you'll fall off a cliff, I meant in the sense of it being more towards the end of that core's time as opposed to the quoted post insinuiating it's "just the beginning". Main point being many of the best players in this side have been there and playing at the top level for a long amount of time.
Yes, I think it makes it all the more sweeter if the old boys can do it, Allison, Robertson, VVD and Salah deserve more than one title. It'll be remembered as a wonderful achievement, pretty much written off by the media and all opposition fans with their age and Klopp leaving. I still think Allison, VVD and Salah have 2 or 3 very good years in them, the way they play and look after themselves. Robertson definitely on a decline.
The FA Cup became the fourth priority once Liverpool reached the final of the League Cup. As for going for four trophies, it’s unrealistic and could scupper the spring fixture schedule. Being out early completely suits Liverpool even if the exit was undignified.
Top of the league, winning the CL group and getting to a domestic final - sometimes it’s worth stepping back and taking in how well the season is going. Plymouth is already a tiny footnote.
The naivety was from not having proper firepower on the bench. Come on, he's been very good overall, but the management of that FA Cup was poor - he's not the first manager to underestimate FA Cup ties, and that's fine. It's still a mistake of his.
Yes sure, the media is always super harsh on Liverpool.
That’s obviously not what he meant. If you look at the preseason predictions of the pundits, none of them had us as champions, zero. So that’s definitely written off in that sense.
Didn't say they were harsh on Liverpool, it wasn't a harsh prediction to say they wouldn't challenge for the title.
Ah right! Then why not be consistent and say media, oppo fans and Liv fans? Because there wasn't a single one of you guys who thought you would be challenging for the title.
Written off gives the impression that people don't see quality in him or the squad, which wasn't the case. There was a general feeling that there would be a phase of adaptation, and that other clubs (mainly Arsenal and City) would be in a better shape to lead a title challenge - the latter has proven to be completely untrue, with both of them stuttering to various degrees, which has made the former irrelevent.
Written off gives the impression that people don't see quality in him or the squad, which wasn't the case. There was a general feeling that there would be a phase of adaptation, and that other clubs (mainly Arsenal and City) would be in a better shape to lead a title challenge - the latter has proven to be completely untrue, with both of them stuttering to various degrees, which has made the former irrelevent.
They still have a few more years. Next year unless both Salah and VVD leave they will win the league.
When City won the league last year they were already on the decline. You could of see that. They couldnt beat Liverpool Arsenal or Real Madrid. In all games. They still had the fear factor thats why the weak teams rolled over for them.
Similar to United when they won the league in 2012/2013.
This Liverpool I dont see it yet. They can for sure squeeze out 1 or 2 more Premier Leagues after this season.
He definitely messed up in the FA Cup.
Rafa underestimated it early on too and got knocked out by a minnow which he took a lot of flack from the fans for.
I don't know if the FA Cup simply means less now in general or it means less because we're winning the league anyway.
Talking about Salah, VVD, Trent leaving, I have a feeling Pool will easily replace them.
I remember thinking how when Yaya, Silva, Aguero and Kompany left City would crumble, but they instead just got better. Can see Liverpool doing the same, as much as I hate it. At the top of their game and with multiple trophies this year, they will be the team top signings will want to go to.
I remember thinking how when Yaya, Silva, Aguero and Kompany left City would crumble, but they instead just got better. Can see Liverpool doing the same, as much as I hate it. At the top of their game and with multiple trophies this year, they will be the team top signings will want to go to.
Liverpool fans will be grateful they are out of FA cup early.
If they force themselves to pursue quadruple again, things can go wrong really fast.
Their bench is decent but in nowhere close enough to the main squad, treble is not probable and quadruple is impossible.
EPL which looks pretty secure and Carling cup final looks winable; this would be excellent achievement already.
There's no way anybody predicted Slot can win legitimate domestic double already in his first season.
Champions League knockout presents too much unknowns, it's hard to predict.
Madrid is still the mix as perennial winner.
Barca looks strong, Bayern and PSG should not be ignored.
The eridivise teams are no slouch either.
Sorry I don't include Arsenal as serious contender, they ain't got a striker worth a salt.
If they force themselves to pursue quadruple again, things can go wrong really fast.
Their bench is decent but in nowhere close enough to the main squad, treble is not probable and quadruple is impossible.
EPL which looks pretty secure and Carling cup final looks winable; this would be excellent achievement already.
There's no way anybody predicted Slot can win legitimate domestic double already in his first season.
Champions League knockout presents too much unknowns, it's hard to predict.
Madrid is still the mix as perennial winner.
Barca looks strong, Bayern and PSG should not be ignored.
The eridivise teams are no slouch either.
Sorry I don't include Arsenal as serious contender, they ain't got a striker worth a salt.
Yeah, 5, 6 years more or less so lets round it up to 50.
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Trent, sure, but i don't think you can easily replace VVD and Salah. There might be some options but there's always a chance they don't kick on or don't reach those heights.
I don't think VVD will be tough to replace, he's done really well this season but he's been on the downfall for a few seasons now. Salah however, purely just looking at the numbers will be so hard to replace and given how their game kinda revolves around him. But they'll pull a rabbit out of the hat.
Isak and some other future wc player would do it.
City had Guardiola at that point, a manager whose class Liverpool do not have. So it likely won’t be as easy as you’re suggesting.
You think you will go big in the summer? Slot mentioned something along these lines didn't he?
Regardless, it wasn't him that personally got the players, it was all the planning behind the scenes. yeah obv Slot doesn't have the same pull but they will be buying players for the club.
I don’t think he did in the sense he knew the risk.
He brought kids on and left Jones and Nunez on the bench. Either kids would do it or he’d take the loss. He wasn’t willing - clearly - to risk first team players.
He accepted the jeopardy rather than misunderstanding the assignment. There’s a difference.
He’s having a great season. He’s a giant and would be very difficult to replace.
I truly hope not, as that would be a much worse error of judgement. His remit was to win, not play the kids and accept the possible loss.
Personally I think he didn't risk first teamers because he's felt the selected team was good enough to win. And that was a mistake.
Why is it an error of judgment? His first team players were nearly all given a weekend off in anticipation of 5 games in 15 days.
Something had to give. Risking elimination from the fourth priority is surely an informed piece of judgement. Fans don’t have to like it but I completely get it. Given his proactive game management across the season, he wilfully allowed that game to play out and take whatever result came his way. He could have used his experience on the bench but chose not to.
This Liverpool side are clearly very good but the depth to go deep in the FA Cup and everything else isn’t a wise approach.
Surely you don't consider Arsenal below Feyenoord??
It's more about matchup.
Feyenoord will bow out to Inter but not necessarily to Arsenal over 2 legs.
That's my opinion anyway.
They might not get past PSV.
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We're in an extremely bad spot at the moment, missing about 70% of our first 11. We would also be crushed by Arsenal.
Psv, if they play like they did against Juve will smash Arsenal at home.
Van Persie player/coach then is what you're saying?
He'd probably be our best striker even now. Redmond is a out 12 years old and Carranza... well, I kind of like Carranza, but he's no superstar.
He'd make any handsome 11 though.
Imagine being a Carranza level player, no media hassle, playing football the whole day, living in Netherlands with a great salary that well managed will save even your future family. Pretty fecking cool.
You are doing great, and with many injuries since time now...yet keep the jinx, let's not feck it, specailly against Arsenal
I’ve stopped caring about what they do. Truth is they’ll likely hit 24 /25 titles and another CL or two before we win another one. And that’s me being optimistic really. With City declined and Arsenal being Arsenal I can see slot winning another couple of titles himself.
Best to focus on ourselves given we are a broken mid table team these days.
Best to focus on ourselves given we are a broken mid table team these days.
In Europe we've been great. Domestically, not so much.
The side he fielded in the FA Cup had more than enough to beat bottom of the Championship Plymouth…
It's quite funny that the two PL titles they win will probably not be looked at favourably. One was in the covid season and this one is when everyone is crap.*
*but Liverpool have been sadly brilliant in both. Only losing one game so far is seriously impressive.
*but Liverpool have been sadly brilliant in both. Only losing one game so far is seriously impressive.