The checks and balances only work if sensible people control them.
The Christo-Fascists are taking over them, too.
2024 U.S. Elections
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The Christo-Fascists are taking over them, too.
The system of checks and balances is under severe threat if Trump is re-elected. That's the point.
Whether the US becomes a truly "fascist" nation under Trump is debatable -- the word means different things to different people -- and although I happen to be one who discounts the possibility that the US will ever see the worst aspects of Nazi Germany -- the death camps -- it's not hard to imagine much of that which preceded in Nazi Germany before its invasion of Poland coming to pass in the US. These are people, and I am an American, many of whom know Trump lies to them but they support him because (switching to the first person singular) "He tells me the lies I want to hear".
Exactly what American fascism would look like is hard to say, but if Trump is re-elected we can count on the US military being deployed against the American people in the name of "law and order" and we can count on millions of migrants being deported. Corporations will be allowed to pollute as they wish, and wealth will concentrated in a smaller and smaller group of hands.
The Korematsu decision (upholding the constitutionality of the Japanese internment camps) is still "good" law and there is no question that Trump and his supporters will exploit that.
Trump is still an awful debater, just as i remember, can't answer a question, no substance all lies, the usual.
Biden was worse than i thought he ever could be though, sadly, keep him far away from a september debate and hope for the best.
Biden was worse than i thought he ever could be though, sadly, keep him far away from a september debate and hope for the best.
Someone posted the lead-up to that bit. So...he started off exactly like his debate, incoherent, and only revved up near the end.
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Basically it looks like he's usually off sometimes on, and it's random. I think he gets fired up attacking Trump, and that's it.
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I don't know. It held up in 2020 because people (Republicans among them no less!) did their jobs. It is to my understanding that a lot of lojalists have been installed in various positions at local level that could do a lot of shenanigans.
Yup, they have hundreds of right wing nutjobs vetted and waiting in the wings to take over positions of power once he wins.
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I think they’ll replace him. Everyone wants to do so but the damage has been already done
its rather depressing that either Biden or Trump will win the election.
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A related question is why Sotomayor isn't retiring right now.
People who consider themselves party loyalists should ask themselves what the party is, who it serves, etc. In my opinion, it has some moments of cohesion, and a lot of moments like this, which really reveal its priorities!
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This played out exactly as I predicted - I even got some flak from our resident 'political experts' here for saying Biden will get obliterated in the debates and that Trump is likely to dominate Biden in a televised debate
@Krakenzero @calodo2003 @VorZakone @Morty_ you know who you are
Like Trump's morning diet of Fox and Friends, this is one show that Biden always watches. Given his ego, I guess this could just make him double down more.
Christ I fecking hate stupid posts like this.
Feck you Yanks. You guys deserve this.
In large part, maybe, but to take one example from his presidency, there were thousands of migrant children taken from their parents and held in cages. There are still 1,400 kids who have not been reunited with their parents. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/07/immigration-family-separation/
So for most of us that was just an ugly episode, but for literally thousands of people it was among the worst nightmares imaginable. I fear it will be the same but 1,000 instances. Marginalized communities will take a beating, immigrants and refugees will take a beating, thousands of women will die because they were not able to get abortions, thousands more will be born as the children of rape/incest, environmental protections will be gutted which will rush us towards a global warming apocalypse, Putin will be emboldened because Trump will be too busy resting Putin's balls on his chin to do anything, and so on.
We probably won't get to the death camps phase, but Project 2025 does call for something not entirely dissimilar.
I’m not even watching the video, but those comments will now feature in a bajillion GOP/PAC tv commercials.
How could anyone think saying these things is a good idea.
Saying what things? Admitting he is old? It is exactly what he needs to do now. And move on and start campaigning on the dangers of letting a felon fraud his way into the White House again.
“Biden himself admits he’s not capable of being President”.
You think nuance and context will come into it at all with the people being fed commercials between segments on Fox News?
Where are you getting this from? I realize you said you didn't actually watch the video of what he was saying... He is literally at a rally now. Are you suggesting he said 'he is not capable of being President?'
Read the quotes in the tweet.
"When you get knocked down, you get back up"
Like to think his team call this the Chumbawamba doctrine.
Like to think his team call this the Chumbawamba doctrine.
This feels like such a watershed moment. This is a campaign defining moment, and who knows what is going to happen in a second Trump term?
Oh Jesus, she's 70! You got a serious point. After they managed to move on Breyer, they should really take this last chance.
worse than just her age...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sonia-sotomayor-medic-retirement_n_65d8ec05e4b0cc1f2f7bab77
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That's it. Biden v Trump.
I don't think I gave you flak on your opinion on this debate? Think you're mistaken.
The stuff from a few weeks ago when the videos of Biden freezing and zoning out should have been a real wake up call but lots of people (including in this thread) used the excuse that the videos were AI and edited. Had you gone on YouTube and seen the full raw footage, you would realised there were major issues and Biden was in fact freezing. We put our head in the sand and tried to pretend here were no issues and now the worst case scenario is unfolding in front of our eyes.
Ouch
Biden seeking a second term is unequivocally not fighting for ordinary folks, it’s a selfish drive from a senile old man who’s more concerned with wanting to stay in power than what is best for the country.
It is, but what is Obama going to say if they're not ousting Biden?
Gotta back the old dog 100% if you can't move him on.Doesn’t mean we have to drink the kool aid.It is, but what is Obama going to say if they're not ousting Biden?
Of course not, as long as people vote for him I don't give a shit what they think about Biden or anyone else. Just keep the mango-Mussolini away.
After 2028. Could trump be made speaker of the house and a possible R puppet potus and VP resign and trump be president again?
It's House of Cards!
This is the crux of it though, isn't it? The (reasonable) concern is that people aren’t gonna go vote for him.
With a bit of luck he’ll be dead by then.
It is. But people need to think very carefully about this if they do not want to vote "only" because he's declining. We all know what's at stake here, I don't need to make a long list.
If people had just held their nose in 2016 Trump would have been gone from politics and Biden would still be enjoing ice cream in his retirement. SCOTUS wouldn't have looked bad either. Americans shouldn't make the same mistake they did back then.
Panic mode post incoming:
You can't help but feel that this debate will be studied as a defining moment of history, the marker for how Democrats - in their hubris, their fear, their delusion - failed to offer the Americans even the most basic and viable alternative to Trump, and paved the way for the rapid erosion of American democracy, with ripples felt in geo-politics all across the world for generations to come as a consequence.
Biden is going senile - he's been exposed brutally with the whole world watching on a stage of his own making. It is now an objective truth that people are seeing with their own eyes, and anyone still denying it the way they have been in the previous few months is clearly still living in delusion or lying. He's lost his mental faculties. He cannot process whole thoughts, he cannot articulate, he cannot finish his sentences. Trump is a vile vile candidate, and I suppose a significant part of the population, people who think like me, will still strongly vote Biden in order to keep Trump away. But this part of the population would have voted for a cabbage over Trump. It is the slim margins in the swing states that need to be swayed - and this display of senility has just turned most of them away.
Biden is not stepping down, and the people who enabled him so far will not have the courage to force him to do so. It will be Biden v Trump, and after this debate I don't see how Trump doesn't win. Folks at Project 2025 must have had a rave last night, with Clarence Thomas as their chief guest.
You can't help but feel that this debate will be studied as a defining moment of history, the marker for how Democrats - in their hubris, their fear, their delusion - failed to offer the Americans even the most basic and viable alternative to Trump, and paved the way for the rapid erosion of American democracy, with ripples felt in geo-politics all across the world for generations to come as a consequence.
Biden is going senile - he's been exposed brutally with the whole world watching on a stage of his own making. It is now an objective truth that people are seeing with their own eyes, and anyone still denying it the way they have been in the previous few months is clearly still living in delusion or lying. He's lost his mental faculties. He cannot process whole thoughts, he cannot articulate, he cannot finish his sentences. Trump is a vile vile candidate, and I suppose a significant part of the population, people who think like me, will still strongly vote Biden in order to keep Trump away. But this part of the population would have voted for a cabbage over Trump. It is the slim margins in the swing states that need to be swayed - and this display of senility has just turned most of them away.
Biden is not stepping down, and the people who enabled him so far will not have the courage to force him to do so. It will be Biden v Trump, and after this debate I don't see how Trump doesn't win. Folks at Project 2025 must have had a rave last night, with Clarence Thomas as their chief guest.
And with a bit of bad luck he dies after 30 years of consecutive potus at age 108
This is where reality needs to come into play, and the bold should be DEMOCRATS shouldn’t make the same mistake.
The American people aren’t going to go and vote for Biden when they don’t like him and aren’t enthused by the prospect of him staying on as POTUS.
People generally don’t get motivated to vote against a worse prospect, they stay home.
Instead of hoping for a major change in reality the party and Biden himself need to adapt and work within the reality they are faced with.