CV is always a factor. The value of Eredivisie titles, all due respect, is not great to me. It isn't a particularly competitive or great competition - and we've now had two examples of multi eredivisie title winners come to the Prem and get found out.
But the French league and winning the Bundesliga with Bayern barely scrapping by is of great value to you? ETH CV speaks for itself even without the Eredivisie titles. The job he did in Utrecht was even more spectacular. And I wouldn't exactly put down the Eredevisie down. It's more competitive than the PL these past few years, that's for sure because surely you don't think Oil Club FC winning the title for 10 times in a role is very competitive. I mean Ajax didn't win the league for years prior to Ten Hag and haven't won the league since he left. Their finish last season was... 5th. So yes the work he did with Ajax there is far more impressive than Tuchel winning the league with PSG.
Your premise is flawed, which means the rest of your post will be nonsensical, respectfully. At no point did I give you any indication that I want instant glory or that I expect this team to challenge for the league. You just needed that crutch as a segue and volunteered it, even if without any basis for it. There's a lot of space between "instant glory" and "worst prem campaign ever".
Again, if one of the pillars of your criticisms for Tuchel is "the only noteworthy thing to his name is the CL he won with Chelsea... something any manager can do since it's a cup competition." You can't then turn around and say "2 trophies" for Ten Hag, as if we're not aware of what those trophies were. It's comical. Even more so when you compound it by holding Ten Hag in great esteem for his CV (presumably titles with Ajax) and then turn around and are dismissive of Tuchel's titles with PSG.
The math doesn't add up. You'd be better off just saying you like Ten Hag because of his hairstyle.
You don't need to come and outright say it for me to understand where you're coming from. It's obvious that your idea is the Chelsea approach - sack any manager that fails and repeat this process ad infinitum. There's time where you need to sack a manager and sometimes you need to give the manager more time. I was in favor in sacking Ole, as I said, I was thoroughly in favor of sacking Moyesy and I was in favor of sacking Jose after his meltdown (even though I did believe he is right, but at that point there was no turning back). LVG I was only in favour of sacking because Mourinho was available whose CV at the time was impeccable. I pointed all of this now just to explain I'm not the type of guy who wants to give every manager time. But sacking ETH now is plain self-sabotage. There's no actual good alternatives and nobody at the market with his CV. He deserves time in a clean environment with none of the Glazer bullshit behind him.
The reason why I criticized Tuchel is because aside from the CL I mentioned... he has done nothing noteworthy in football that would prompt me to sack ETH for him. For what reason? Your logic is that we sack ETH to get someone whose coming from an arguably worse season than ETH, finishing third with Bayern and failing to win zero trophies. There is no logic in that except let's just blindly play whack-a-mole and see what hits. You're not in favor of sacking ETH because you have some plan for this club and where you want it to go, you're in favor because you just want ETH gone.
Am I? When Klopp left Dortmund they finished 9th after a disastrous season. His stock wasn't at an all time highest and many people were saying he was gonna flop in England.
Yet true:
- This is the most defeats United have suffered in a Premier League season (13)
- United have never finished below seventh in Premier League
- United have conceded 81 goals in all competitions this season, their most in a campaign since 1976-77 (also 81)
- They have not finished a season on a minus goal difference since 1989-90 in Division One.
Now go look up when the premier league started.
This is a meaningless stat. Going by that logic our last season was one of the best we've ever had yet this is complete nonsense. What matters is the end of the table, how many points you have and your position prior to that. We finished with 64 points under Moyes, only 4 points higher than what we have now yet we were comfortable champions with 11 points difference (if I remember correctly prior to that). We finished 6th prior to Ten Hag coming in with 58 points and few down to 8th with 60 points. Tell me, which is better? Going from champions to not even qualifying for Europe or falling back down to where you were before that? That doesn't even account for the trophies he won which we haven't seen for 8 years or something? Hell, in our treble season we won the league with 79 points drawing like half our games. So what? What matters is our end position, not meaningless stats that don't even paint 10% of the picture, let alone the full picture. I'm not evne gonna begin listing how many issues Ten Hag had to deal with this season