Why should we wait that long and sacrifice yet another season. My take is that he needs to hit the ground running, keeping pace with the top 4 teams or in the top 4 to even finish the season. If he has us staggering around 8th or 9th the he should go whilst the season is still salvageable, they made the wrong call now and there is no need to make things worse by persisting with a failure. The FA Cup bought him some time but it would be criminal negligence to waste another season on him.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I'm predicting - at least here - come new year, the atmosphere will be the worst it's ever been. José's last half of his second season up until his sacking in the third probably holds that record at the moment, but I think we'll eclipse that this year.
If it means we are now going down the young hungry players route rather than past it ones looking for their final nest egg than I hold out more hope. The players need to know who is the boss and not have access to powers that be to whinge when things don't suit them.
My stance has not been staunch supporter. I just felt that the options were so poor, I believe Ten Hag is better than the options we currently had.
I am not deluded to think that we play great football.
I tell you what I want to see.. I want to see 7 PL games 5 wins minimum and us dominating games, I have no problem in saying I was wrong if that doesnt happen.
If he is making the same mistakes, the issue is him. He has used up all the credit and excuses this season.
I have had my doubts as to whether he should remain or not, so anyway it’s been decided so let’s get on with things and get ready for new season. OK I don’t expect to win PL, but hope to see more consistency. I was thinking the other day if Newcastle had won league cup and FA cup in two seasons, Eddie Howe would be a hero and the fans would be begging for longer contract for him. That’s always going to be problem for any manager at United, high expectations all the time.
Sounds like a total mess behind the scenes. Nothing new then. Let's hope Berrada, Ashworth, and Wilcox are as good as they are made out to be. And Ten Hag needs to have his say in transfers severely limited.
I was Ten Hag about ten games from the end of the season last year. I thought the football was diabolical and whilst the injuries were bad, I thought that whoever the replacements were, were also part of his training sessions yet there was absolutely no identity. Other than inviting pressure from literally everyone we played.
The whole time I wanted him out there was something niggling in the back of my head telling me there was a chance he was the right guy. As frustrated as I was there was just something about him. I would love to be proven wrong about him as he’s clearly a likeable guy but serious improvements are needed. Arsenal had similar finishes under Arteta and they’re now challenging for the title. I won’t be expecting miracles like that but we simply have to see evidence that he can implement his system.
Plus, anything but Southgate is a bonus.
The whole time I wanted him out there was something niggling in the back of my head telling me there was a chance he was the right guy. As frustrated as I was there was just something about him. I would love to be proven wrong about him as he’s clearly a likeable guy but serious improvements are needed. Arsenal had similar finishes under Arteta and they’re now challenging for the title. I won’t be expecting miracles like that but we simply have to see evidence that he can implement his system.
Plus, anything but Southgate is a bonus.
Which is fair if you wanted him gone.
I think he's shown so far that if he has the right players he can perform and has potential to be a good manager for us. I also think his tactics are very reliant on certain types of players and if we don't recruit properly then he will struggle if we get crazy injuries again.
For all the negative records etc that people post he is still a manager who has won back to back trophies, one of which was against the best club/manager, qualified for champs league, shown he can beat the big teams and when he has had a fully fit team played decent football. I think its more likely he has a good season next season than a bad one.
No by listening to what the club and manager say instead of saying he has not been humble etc.
Right from the off when SJR came in he said no manager would succeed in the current setup, you let a single season derailed by injuries and turmoil around club ownership and a poor summer, drive you do a complete turn on what you admittedly thought about the manager the previous season (and likely before he was even hired - this part I am assuming)
Then you are saying the manager needs to humble himself... Maybe there were things happening this season which meant the job was just a lot more difficult than the last mate
I wanted him gone but once Tuchel was no longer an option to replace him I think INEOS made the right decision to keep him on. There were no other candidates you could say were clear upgrades on him, De Zerbi could’ve been interesting but other than that it was a pretty uninspiring list. He’s got my backing again for now but there needs to be a serious improvement in tactics and play style. It’s imperative that we have a good transfer window, and more importantly we keep our key players fit! Martinez especially.
With Tuchel resting I think ETH stays until he cocks it up then Tuchel will take over and steady the ship
You wonder if they are also planning on keeping the kids they brought up from the younger teams late last season in the squad. I hope they take them on tour rather than leave them at home and loan them out.
I was basing on the chance that he sees the season out, if we're floundering again then I'd expect him to be out the door as was Ole and Jose.
How was he lucky to win FA cup? Ffs is it very difficult to hold one opinion but also give credit where due?
1: And why is that?
2: And what is a 'good' season? An improvement on last season?
Ten Hag gets to stay on the back of winning the FA cup.
So what happens if Southgate wins the Euro’s?
So what happens if Southgate wins the Euro’s?
Hopefully signs a new 10 year contract with England!
Let’s hope last seasons shitshow was down to injuries and lessons learned . Otherwise we are in for another disaster. Let’s not forget we had no Europe for the last quarter of the season where we were mainly playing once a week and results got worse .
That's for English FA to decide, not relevant to us.
Winning trophies is of course a good thing, but being Manchester United, winning a cup trophy while failing miserably in all other tourneys is a total failure for the club. Our standard is to be competing on all fronts every season. Our players reactions tells you that we now have a squad full of players who's never won the Premier League and that it's a long time since we lived up to our standard. If you're happy with a season where you win the FA cup, get last in your CL group, overperform to a flattering 8th in the league and get battered out of the League cup at home to Newcastle in the early stages, then you're at the wrong club. That would be a decent season for Wolves or Brentford, but it has been a nightmare season for us. That FA cup doesn't come close to compensate for the absolute horrors we have been served through out the season.
I'd trade the FA Cup for a trophyless season playing even mildy attractive football any day of the week. It's been torture watching us this season.
Didn’t Bayern consider hiring him?You know these things how?
Has Man Utd made any statement? Sounds like the media has been making up bullsht about a review and sacking and interviewing managers and now realize that they were wrong and making up more stories that the have decided for him to stay. All along ETH has said he's staying and he talked with the board and everything was fine and he is here next season. Maybe they decided to keep him weeks ago.
Take a year off. You sound exhausted by the hardship.
A good tweet? Its daft and it's been explained as to why. Others also shat on itA good tweet (which others agreed with) has really rattled you
I'm not rattled, just chuckling since the "football IQ", as you put it has been on top form. In the past couple of days, you've pasted sentiment from articles without actually reading them, shared talkshite and thought you're in a place to mug off Goldbridge while doing so.
Goldbridge is a complete tit, many agree with him too.
But as @Berbaclass would agree, "il do what I want", right?
I have been listening to the manager and the more he talks the more he strikes me as arrogant in how he perceives things. Regardless of how I saw him the first season he made multiple errors last season and you need to be humble enough to learn from them or they become a repeated mistake.
this season is make or break for him so I hope that he does learn because as I said earlier I want him to make me believe again
Are you telling me we've struggled with the same amount of injuries the last 5/6 years?
So there hasn't been more injuries with ETH than with previous managers and he can't use it as an excuse for the terrible results and football we've played?
Thank god the club and the fans have you to guide them.
Let’s just assume that it was bad luck and nothing else. If Martinez gets injured in the 4th week of the season( not entirely unlikely because he gets injured a lot ) are we supposed to give up on next season as well and just hope we get a cup run ?
I think the massive pressure he was under made him quite rigid in his press conferences. The pressure from the season he had last year would hospitalise lots of people.
Hopefully we see an all round better version of him this season.
He was already contributing more than the other options before the Liverpool game. You can like ETH and want to keep him on but trying to say he's responsible for Amad's development is pure fantasy.
Being humble means knowing that there are things you don't know and you don't know the reasons for the decisions he made to know they were mistakes he made. But I will leave it there, there is nothing in his track record to say he is not humble and doesn't adjust learn, we saw that in his first season plenty and even last season too.
As for his press conferences, the media were after him, even going to talk about getting to an FA cup final being a embarrassment and sacking him before the final, I don't perceive him being arrogant just having a back bone after getting hammered by the press all season
We really kept him because of a cup win We are a ridiculous club. Nothing ever changes.
We are a ridiculous club. Nothing ever changes.New contract cements that in the minds of the media and the players.
You accept the situation with all its consequences. If we were ready to accept last season and even looking to reward him with a new deal, this means we have accepted that there are certain individuals in the team whose absence is going to significantly reduce our team's potential. If the same players are out next year, we will probably do the same as this year. Let's hope they aren't.
It is a good scene, to be fair.
No. This is the clubs job to realise we need players. The problem was Martinez and Shaw got injured at the same time, which meant its an unbalanced team. We clearly know he likes left footed LCB and a left footed LB for how he wants to play but we played majority of the season without a left footed player.
Now, its the recruitment team to do a job to make sure Lindelof isnt playing LB and Casemiro isnt playing CB.
People dont understand the context of it, its called balance. Having a CB that isnt good enough to play CB playing at LB is not ideal.
Having Evans as our most played CB isnt ideal.
I'm telling you United have issues with injuries and poor medical department for years, and any manager can use it as an excuse if their medical department is letting them down
Nope. He's building a transition team, so the style will largely remain the same. We need better players (and fitter players) to make it effective, though.