Tom Van Persie
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And they still finished 22 points and +45 goal difference ahead of us.Funny how the Scousers are delighted with this news. Do they need reminding that they failed to beat Ten Hag last season? And ruined their entire season? Odd bunch.
Why because they didnt sack him for another manager like Poch Di Zerbi who have 0 trophies in England compare to Ten Hag?0 standards or ambition but that's not new. We are not a serious football club.
Wow they finished 22 points ahead but what did they win? apart from your plaudits.And they still finished 22 points and +45 goal difference ahead of us.
Nothing. But that's not the point. Trophies won are a thing of yesterday, now it's about maximising your chances to win again next season. And after the style of football United showed under EtH I'm not surprised that they think he doesn't really maximise United's chances but was lucky to win the FA Cup.Wow they finished 22 points ahead but what did they win? apart from your plaudits.
What does it tell you about what they think of ETH despite that?Funny how the Scousers are delighted with this news. Do they need reminding that they failed to beat Ten Hag last season? And ruined their entire season? Odd bunch.
We finished 8th.Why because they didnt sack him for another manager like Poch Di Zerbi who have 0 trophies in England compare to Ten Hag?
I see your ambition is only playing good football at times.
0 standards or ambition but that's not new. We are not a serious football club.
I dont think he was lucky, we didnt concede 20 shots and had goal line clearances, or neither did city have chance after chance, in fact we had the better chances.Nothing. But that's not the point. Trophies won are a thing of yesterday, now it's about maximising your chances to win again next season. And after the style of football United showed under EtH I'm not surprised that they think he doesn't really maximise United's chances but was lucky to win the FA Cup.
Well alright then, let’s see how their little bald Dutch manager gets on. Sick of him.What does it tell you about what they think of ETH despite that?
This is pretty much how I feel.Not great, not terrible. Could always have been so much worse, I suppose, like Southgate, Pochettino, Frank, or Potter. But it could have been better as well. The prospect of more of Ten Hag's miserable football is depressing.
Offering him a new contract however would be utterly stupid, but stupid is part and parcel around here, so not surprising. Maybe at least keep him away from recruitment then, please?
INEOS not exactly impressing so far...
Read that sentence to yourself. Think a little about it for a little while and read it again.Depends what our aims are. I’d say Top 4 is realistic without a dramatic window as long as we don’t lose our key players in defence again. In such an awful season we were only 8 points off Villa.
CB, DM and LB for me would be a good window if we decided to focus on those players as priority I.e. expensive signings then add a few younger players for depth on frees/loans.
The final was one of the most convincing performances United showed all season, that's true, but United was on the rope in some situations in the rounds before that. So overall I think it's fair to call the cup win lucky and not entirely convincing.I dont think he was lucky, we didnt concede 20 shots and had goal line clearances, or neither did city have chance after chance, in fact we had the better chances.
That final was far from a snatch and grab win.
I dont think City, Real and those clubs will say trophies are a thing of yesterday. Or Real Madrid fans crying about their CL win because they rode their luck at times. I bet they are crying and saying oh its only a trophy but we didnt play good football.
Agree with you. But after the awful season just gone, I can understand the pessimism. There needs to be a massive improvement in every aspect of the club.Surely everyone are hoping for us to recruit very well and for Ten Hag to show us why he was hired from Ajax in the first place? I do not understand the doom and gloom.
I mean, even if you were fully ETH in, you must understand why some are a little doom and gloom. Last season is very difficult to forgive, and we are continuing on with the manager that gave us that. I myself will now back him but it will still take some time to get the back the faith in him.Surely everyone are hoping for us to recruit very well and for Ten Hag to show us why he was hired from Ajax in the first place? I do not understand the doom and gloom.
Why because they didnt sack him for another manager like Poch Di Zerbi who have 0 trophies in England compare to Ten Hag?
I see your ambition is only playing good football at times.
Firstly, Mbappe to Madrid has been on the cards for 5 years. That is on the club not the manager btw, which is what INEOS need to do, get the right players in.The final was one of the most convincing performances United showed all season, that's true, but United was on the rope in some situations in the rounds before that. So overall I think it's fair to call the cup win lucky and not entirely convincing.
But I disagree on the other clubs you mentioned. Real surely is happy that they won the CL, but they already signed Mbappe for next season to further improve and maximise their chances to win it again. They once sacked Heynckes after winning the CL for unconvincing league performances the same season as they thought this wouldn't guarantee future success. City won multiple league titles but went for Guardiola because they thought they weren't convincing enough. Obviously they are all happy when they win a trophy, but the next day they focus on how to win the next trophy. Which also was the mindset United had under SAF by the way.
Fans obviously are allowed to see it different and spend more time celebrating their wins, but even then it's possible to be thankful for the ride and still think the club should move on.
No. That was Steinburg in the Guardian.Wasn’t this the rag that reported he was going to be sacked a fortnight ago?
Doesn't really matter if you can't beat him does it?What does it tell you about what they think of ETH despite that?
We did the same with Jose. Old habits and that.So now we’re gonna give him a new contract and it will be much more expensive to sack him in November when the board finally accept what they already know. Genius.
Am I not a fan because I disagree with the decision to keep a manager that I believe will damage to club?A lot of butt hurt "fans" in here today.
Liverpool? League cupWow they finished 22 points ahead but what did they win? apart from your plaudits.
Yes, those two examples have been a case of long term planning. Doesn't change my point however, which was that performances of the last season are a more important indicator for chances to win stuff next season than actual trophies won, especially cups.Firstly, Mbappe to Madrid has been on the cards for 5 years. That is on the club not the manager btw, which is what INEOS need to do, get the right players in.
Secondly, City prepared for Guardiola a year before, they hired Tixi and the like 1 year before Pep, also they went for Pep, who is one of the best managers around.
We were linked with Southgate, Poch, Di Zerbi, McKenna, Tuchel, hardly an inspiring list of managers.
Agreed. He made mistakes, we all agree on that. Hopefully he learns from the end of last season where he showed adaptability.We really dont need to be aholes to each other. Both sides of the equation consider what might be best for Man Utd. We don't really know, we try to predict. E10H had an awful season. But we all think and hope that the team will do well - utlimately we should drop absolute statements.
Managers have been sacked for less. Continuity is a good point and scrapping this campaign as a whole because of how things turned out is also a statement with some merit.
Let's just accept that in some way or form E10H convinced the board that he should be there for another reason. I was fully supporting him until Palace personally and until i got to the point i saw Amad and Amrabat play (and play well in a more structured formation) . I think he did the right things with CR, Sancho, disciplining Rash too. But i found his gameplan atrocious at times or his stubbornness with Antony and Rashford.
Anyho, let's hope we dont have lindeloff as LB next year or Casemiro as CB. also let's hope we get a cdm and a proper midfield.
What a load of nonsense.Nothing. But that's not the point. Trophies won are a thing of yesterday, now it's about maximising your chances to win again next season. And after the style of football United showed under EtH I'm not surprised that they think he doesn't really maximise United's chances but was lucky to win the FA Cup.
So I am confused, do you want long term planning or short term moves?Yes, those two examples have been a case of long term planning. Doesn't change my point however, which was that performances of the last season are a more important indicator for chances to win stuff next season than actual trophies won, especially cups.
Ok thanksNo. That was Steinburg in the Guardian.
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