Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

[londonredmaniac]

On the flip side, seems like many managers are on the move this summer. So this might be a good moment to replace ETH.

I also like this sentence:

From being a manager outplayed by the likes of Burnley or Coventry, he became a manager that dominates City. This is what one good game with a big chunk of luck gets you these days.

It is a small foot note but we weren't dominated by Coventry. That's a huge over statement

 

[VP89]

I’m not blinded by ETH out as you put it. I’m on record as saying id be open to him getting benefit of the doubt but no excuses next season. Clear signs of progress or gone.

re Coventry we were extremely lucky. We deserved to win based on first half but once they got our number in the second half they scored 4 times and missed several good chances. They deserved to win in my opinion.

They got a penalty that was really dubious and it changed the momentum, but I think it's all relative. One of the front runners in tuchel got beat in the German Cup by a side in the third division.

 

[Red00012]

People shitting on the FA cup saying we didn’t deserve it because of the Coventry game to drive home their ETH out agenda is pathetic. We beat Liverpool and City en route to winning it . A bit of luck v Coventry was well deserved even though Wan Bissaka’s penalty wasn’t a penalty.

 

[Borys]

It is a small foot note but we weren't dominated by Coventry. That's a huge over statement

It might be. But the statement we got extremely lucky in the total of Coventry, Liverpool and City games is just reality. We somehow won the cup, credit to the manager, but it should not influence the decision on his future, unless the board wants us to continue being a "flip of the coin" team.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

People shitting on the FA cup saying we didn’t deserve it because of the Coventry game to drive home their ETH out agenda is pathetic. We beat Liverpool and City en route to winning it . A bit of luck v Coventry was well deserved even though Wan Bissaka’s penalty wasn’t a penalty.

We got some luck in the 1999 F.A. Cup semi, so did we not deserve the treble, we were lucky in CL final that year. Winners usually do get some luck along the way.

 

[MadDogg]

Coventry were dog shit and comfortably beaten for the first 60 minutes. They deserve credit for their fight back but they had a dubious penalty and a lucky deflection to help get them there.

Their “winner” shouldn’t even be discussed as it was offside by the letter of the law, and the same rules United have also been on the wrong side of plenty of times.

It was horrendous to see us throw away the lead like that but we only deserved to be beaten in a punitive sense, not if you objectively go off what happened in the game.

Coventry were shit for the first half. Right from the start of the second half things were far more even as their manager had changed a couple of things, and if anything I thought they were slightly the better team even though we did get that third goal in that period. Then obviously things swung further and further their way.

Overall we were the better team over the course of the match, but the fact that even a midtable Championship team was able to get on top of us and that a manager who has never managed above the Championship out-managed ETH was a terrible indication of how bad things were getting.

 

[Doracle]

What you've basically said here is "he persisted with a shit formation for too long. He is capable of changing it and bettering our side tactically and in results as evidenced by the end of the season, but I want to sack him now because it took him too long to do that".

Sounds like firing out of rage rather than evaluating pedigree to be honest. Whilst agreeing he should have tweaked when he had injured players, I don't think he has gaping flaws that many other managers don't have. Remember, his medical team is broadly shit too, if they have miscommunicsted and misjudged injuries (which they've proven to do), it hampers planning.

He was too stubborn for too long but insinuating he's not adaptable and outright won't learn form his mistakes is presumotious.

Can you give an example of any match this season where you thought “wow, that’s a great tactical move by EtH, I’d never have thought of that”?

What you seem to be saying is that we should ignore the fact he persisted with terrible tactics for 99% of the season and give him credit for switching to a basic common sense formation that anybody on the Caf could have come up with for the last couple of games of the season.

I expect a higher standard from the Manchester United manager.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Let's stop pretending ETH is building anything then, in that case.

I'm not. So, I didn't read the rest as it wasn't applicable.

Not sure how you derived I insinuated that ETH was "building anything". However, trying to use Arteta as some kind of blueprint for success is fecking bonkers.

 

[pocco]

I'm not. So, I didn't read the rest as it wasn't applicable.

Not sure how you derived I insinuated that ETH was "building anything". However, trying to use Arteta as some kind of blueprint for success is fecking bonkers.

How is it bonkers? You're just seeing what you want to see. To claim Arteta (and Arsenal) weren't rebuilding is just wrong. He started to implement changes to their football, they started to clear out overpaid and ageing players etc. It has been the absolute epitome of a rebuild. I suspect you have some sort of agenda as to why you can't accept this. They've gone from nowhere to being title challengers in a few years.

 

[evil_geko]

We didn’t deserve to beat Coventry.

Of course we did, we gifted them that comeback and they fluked some goals, before that they were shite. Also by simply looking at stats, we were far better. They deserved feck all.

 

[Robbie Boy]

How is it bonkers? You're just seeing what you want to see. To claim Arteta (and Arsenal) weren't rebuilding is just wrong. He started to implement changes to their football, they started to clear out overpaid and ageing players etc. It has been the absolute epitome of a rebuild. I suspect you have some sort of agenda as to why you can't accept this. They've gone from nowhere to being title challengers in a few years.

Rigggghhhttttt.....

The first 2 years were tragic and plenty of Arsenal fans wanted him out. Stop rewriting history here. It worked out in the end, but it certainly didn't look like it would early days. In that case, we might as well let ETH stay on.

 

[Laurencio]

I'm not. So, I didn't read the rest as it wasn't applicable.

Not sure how you derived I insinuated that ETH was "building anything". However, trying to use Arteta as some kind of blueprint for success is fecking bonkers.

Football does this sometimes. Anomalies for success pop up and then loads of clubs try to replicate it. We saw it after Pep too, with lots of former players getting jobs they were in no way qualified for, because it worked at Barca.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Its clear A) English is not his strong point as can be highlighted by the many times he contradicts himself or uses general terms like illness B) as said above, watch his Ajax teams and you will see elements from both the 2019 team (in terms of playing out from the back and the lone midfielder) and from his more recent team (the attacking structure). You can base this on one sentence he said in english in a press conference or how the Ajax and United teams play/set up.

You can see elements in any team with another team. Its still football. But that 2019 Ajax team was completely different to this united side. They had Frankie De Jong who built up from the back but could also drop into the CB's. Who do we have? Eriksen? They had creative forwards and not the direct Rashford, Garnacho type forwards. They had a passing Donny as a 10 and not the more direct Bruno. And on and on. This team cant play that way and they dont. Its a million miles off that Ajax team in regards to style and tactics.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Football does this sometimes. Anomalies for success pop up and then loads of clubs try to replicate it. We saw it after Pep too, with lots of former players getting jobs they were in no way qualified for, because it worked at Barca.

Exactly. It's a complete anomaly. It worked out in the end, but it certainly didn't look like it would.

 

[sugar_kane]

Coventry were shit for the first half. Right from the start of the second half things were far more even as their manager had changed a couple of things, and if anything I thought they were slightly the better team even though we did get that third goal in that period. Then obviously things swung further and further their way.

Overall we were the better team over the course of the match, but the fact that even a midtable Championship team was able to get on top of us and that a manager who has never managed above the Championship out-managed ETH was a terrible indication of how bad things were getting.

Can't disagree with any of that, just disagreeing with the notion we deserved to lose on the balance of the game overall beyond as 'punishment' for being such goobers in the second half. Coventry were still massively helped by that penalty and we were hurt by an unlucky deflection.

I think if anything I'm just annoyed by people crying about the offside decision, it's literally the rules of the game - and it's happened to us plenty.

 

[Sarni]

It’s total games

It's not that either, we had more than 10 games on top of league games.

We had 6 games in FA Cup last year, 6 games in League Cup and 12 EL games - a total of 24 additional games in 22-23. We won 18 of them, drew 3 and lost 3.

This year we had 6 FA Cup games, 2 League Cup games and 6 CL games. That's 14 extra games We won 7, drew 2 and lost 5.

So in aggregate, we've played 38 games outside of Premier League, and have gone W25, D5 L8 in them. This record is obviously somewhat inflated by the fact we played EL in our first season (a very easy group as well, with Omonia and Sheriff, as well as incredibly easy CL group this year) and we've also had very easy draws in domestic cups (e.g. all our cup draws last season were at home).

 

[romufc]

Football does this sometimes. Anomalies for success pop up and then loads of clubs try to replicate it. We saw it after Pep too, with lots of former players getting jobs they were in no way qualified for, because it worked at Barca.

Didn't Xavi win the league?
Hasn't Arteta done well at Arsenal?

 

[golden_blunder]

Of course we did, we gifted them that comeback and they fluked some goals, before that they were shite. Also by simply looking at stats, we were far better. They deserved feck all.

Mid table championship team scores 4 in a second half

United Redcafe fans appear like clockwork “gifted it”, “fluked goals”, “penalty shouldn’t have been given” etc

embarrassing performance and I don’t use that word often. We got lucky with the offside goal

 

[The holy trinity 68]

He's staying.

The club posted this image on their LinkedIn account today. I don't think they would show off the FA Cup trophy like that, while the decision on ETH is still ongoing unless he's staying.

Sorry I don't know how to actually upload an image, just that link.

https://ibb.co/NjzpyJq

 

[horsechoker]

He's staying.

The club posted this image on their LinkedIn account today. I don't think they would show off the FA Cup trophy like that, while the decision on ETH is still ongoing unless he's staying.

Sorry I don't know how to actually upload an image, just that link.

https://ibb.co/NjzpyJq

Plot twist: the club are on LinkedIn looking for a new manager

 

[Rista]

Yeah, totally wouldn't make sense for the club to display the trophy that they won. We know manager is the most important thing. After all, it's Ten Hag's trophy.

 

[Remember the geese]

I don't think they would show off the FA Cup trophy like that, while the decision on ETH is still ongoing unless he's staying.

Why wouldn't they? I don't follow your logic at all.

 

[Sarni]

Yeah, totally wouldn't make sense for the club to display the trophy that they won. We know manager is the most important thing. After all, it's Ten Hag's trophy.

It technically is. He won that trophy.

 

[R'hllor]

Personally i dont care much about ETH, sack him or not, same shit for me but find it funny how when we search for a manager, people having an issue with someone who is not a winner, not having trophies etc. When current manager wins something with us, people tend to put league position and CL spot (competition where we hold other teams by the pocket) over any type of cup.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yeah, I mean, the club have every right to show off a trophy that the club won. Bit of a stretch to take anything from that post.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Yeah, totally wouldn't make sense for the club to display the trophy that they won. We know manager is the most important thing. After all, it's Ten Hag's trophy.

But why would they post it now? It should either of been posted a week ago, or after the manager decision has been released, not whilst the decision is still ongoing?

 

[Robbie Boy]

It technically is. He won that trophy.

It should be in the Ten Hag household amirite!

 

[stefan92]

But why would they post it now? It should either of been posted a week ago, or after the manager decision has been released, not whilst the decision is still ongoing?

Because it's completely irrelevant to the manager question. It doesn't matter at all.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Why wouldn't they? I don't follow your logic at all.

But why would they post it now? It should either of been posted a week ago, or after the manager decision has been released, not whilst the decision is still ongoing?

 

[Rista]

Personally i dont care much about ETH, sack him or not, same shit for me but find it funny how when we search for a manager, people having an issue with someone who is not a winner, not having trophies etc. When current manager wins something with us, people tend to put league position and CL spot (competition where we hold other teams by the pocket) over any type of cup.

Nobody wants managers based on their success in domestic cups though. When people talk about winners it's usually the league or CL.

 

[Laurencio]

Didn't Xavi win the league?
Hasn't Arteta done well at Arsenal?

That is a new trend. That seems to be about hiring the "students of Pep", which everyone seem to be trying these days. Much like we saw with "students of Fergie" for a few years.

Xavi did not win the league, he won the cup and Barca have been no where near Real Madrid - multiple reasons for that, but Xavi has been no more successful than your average Barca manager. Arteta has not won anything since the first half season in charge, but what he is building is entertaining and intriguing. Even if it were to work out for Arteta in the end, that does not mean that it works for everyone else.

 

[Shark]

Why do a section of United fans love the idea of writing off seasons. Ah sure give him next season and if he's making a tit of everything again we'll sack him. Makes no sense whatsoever to any sane club.

 

[stefan92]

Xavi did not win the league

It was the league (22/23)

 

[Remember the geese]

But why would they post it now? It should either of been posted a week ago, or after the manager decision has been released, not whilst the decision is still ongoing?

Because they have only literally updated the honours board.

 

[Laurencio]

It was the league (22/23)

I stand corrected - was sure it was the cup.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Because they have only literally updated the honours board.

They've got the timing all wrong if that's just the case then.

 

[Remember the geese]

They've got the timing all wrong if that's just the case then.

I really don't see how.

 

[stefan92]

They've got the timing all wrong if that's just the case then.

Why? There is literally nothing else newsworthy happening at the moment as everyone is on holiday or preparing for the EURO. The Social Media team needs something to post and this is just a nice thing to talk about.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

I really don't see how.

It's disrespectful if the club are about to sack the manager, while gloating about the trophy that he just won for the club.

Not really surprising though because the club lacked class with the timing of Van Gaal being sacked.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Why? There is literally nothing else newsworthy happening at the moment as everyone is on holiday or preparing for the EURO. The Social Media team needs something to post and this is just a nice thing to talk about.

Post it after the decision has been made. It's distasteful and a lack of class from the club. See my above post.