It is the same, mate. Just different (lower) level of the same shit.
Eric Bailly | signs for Besiktas
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Sounds like you’re just angry with capitalism on the whole to be honest.
Agree.2 mil is really too low. He is solid defender. Never fit though
TBH it's exactly the same.
I always thought there was proper player there with Bailly, but it seems not.
Guess I'm a bad judge.
Guess I'm a bad judge.
Surely he’s worth more than 2m!
We’ve signed some right fecking crocks in the last decade.
Oh I agree, though as I said elsewhere I'd be pleasantly surprised with 60 millions or more in sales, 100+ seems really optimistic in my opinion though the final number might be reliant on what happens to McT which is both the easiest player to sell well out of the usual names but also the one the team might not want to part with. And of course finding buyers for Fred, Henderson and Maguire.
With Elanga (+Telles) I think it's 19m at the moment ?
We're half the window and I think overall it's been a decent one so far, the club seems to know what it wants to buy and is reinforcing the positions needed (started last year). We're at last seeing some players leaving -though how much the joker card of Saudi sprees is an unplanned happy accident helps-, I'm hopeful things are being worked on for more exits. Not too late would be a plus if more recruitment / replacements are contingent on that money. I'm not expecting a lot more beyond a striker than a CM (Amrabat ?) and possibly a backup CB (if Maguire is sold) though.
He's the complete fecking opposite of a solid defender.
He's injured 90% of the time and when he is fit he could play well or he could be the worst player on the pitch. And even if he is playing well he could make a shocking mistake out of absolutely nowhere.
He's a total liability, any sort of transfer fee would be great.
He's injured 90% of the time and when he is fit he could play well or he could be the worst player on the pitch. And even if he is playing well he could make a shocking mistake out of absolutely nowhere.
He's a total liability, any sort of transfer fee would be great.
I kind of doubt Maguire will move, tbh. He's on the biggest wages and the least effective of those players. He signed a 6+1 contract with us and if it's amortized over 6 years then we need 80/6 * 2 = 26.66 million pounds to not make a loss for FFP. I really don't think we're going to see a bid like that.
Fred and Bailly are all the way through their initial contracts, so unless I'm wrong any fee we get for them will be pure profit from an FFP perspective, and so will any fees for Henderson and McTominay because they're from the academy. I don't know the market obviously but I think the club would do well to get about 65 million pounds in aggregate for those players. If we get enough it might give us enough FFP room and extra cash to buy Amrabat and get rid of Maguire at a bit of an FFP loss + sign his replacement at CB.
If I had to, I'd bet on Maguire sticking around and being the 2nd backup again this season then leaving next summer for free or a nominal fee.
I think we paid the 80m upfront for Maguire, not sure there's any amortization.
Nah. Not really.
He's a proper nutcase but sadly made of glass. Loved how he handled Vardy in a couple of instances 
Paying upfront does not matter. You can amortize over contract length, not when you make the payment
That shouldn't matter, I believe. You can still amortize the transfer fee over a player's contract, even if you pay upfront.
Antonio Rudiger is what Bailly could have been without the injuries. So good it's almost unfair, the lad has everything. He is better than Maguire, so i would have kept him as backup for Varane and Martinez and get rid of Maguire.
PS: You have to laugh, all the players Ronaldo used to moan and whine about are joining up with him again in Saudi
PS: You have to laugh, all the players Ronaldo used to moan and whine about are joining up with him again in Saudi
I understand where you’re coming from, though I’m not sure I agree.
Do you also believe that United should forgo any sort of fee for a disgraced player on the grounds that it would be tainted?
That is under thing where hypocrisy kicks in. People don't want him in club (because he is a cnut) but 50 mil would be nice for that cnut.
I am not debating what is wrong and what is right. Just pointing on hypocrisy there. I declared myself pro Qatar over Sir Jim. That resulted with hating posts about morals and shit. From same people who "beg" Saudis to buy our players.
Well there you go. I don’t regard that as being hypocritical in the slightest. Unless you believe that the cnut’s cnutish behaviour is wholly the fault of the club. Which I don’t. So I don’t see why the club needs to flagellate itself and suffer because of it.
Why is he called a cnut?
Also getting money from Saudi is not the same as being owned by them or Qatar.
Also getting money from Saudi is not the same as being owned by them or Qatar.
Bailly is no where near good enough to be compared to any defender that plays for a top team. He has never had the defensive ability or mental attributes to play at any level where making a mistake costs you the game.Antonio Rudiger is what Bailly could have been without the injuries. So good it's almost unfair, the lad has everything. He is better than Maguire, so i would have kept him as backup for Varane and Martinez and get rid of Maguire.
PS: You have to laugh, all the players Ronaldo used to moan and whine about are joining up with him again in Saudi
I wonder if you ever watched the games he played in when he first came in under Mourinho. What didn't help his United career is the obvious one, injuries. Barring the injuries Bailly would definitely had been a starter. He had better games than Maguire many a times. There is no universe where there is going to be worse player than Maguire as our centreback. As I said, I would have kept him and get rid Maguire.
I did, I’ve watched him do all kinds of mad shit like overhead clearances in his own box. He doesn’t have the ability to concentrate for a full 90 minutes. At some point he will venture up to the half way line with the ball as the last defender and try the most obvious step over you’re ever seen and lose possession. That has nothing to do with his injuries, he just isn’t cut out for this level where players are much quicker than he is and make decisions much quicker than he can. Maguire might be shit but he isn’t purposely shit.
Even at his best for Utd he was more than capable of dropping an appalling brain dead error out of nowhere.
And his best is a long time ago anyway
And his best is a long time ago anyway
So you've never seen Maguire try to beat an attacker as a last defender?
I agree that Bailly's concentration levels were suspect, but pound for pound was one of the better defenders during his time here. Injuries certainly prevented him holding down a regular place in the team.
Do you really think that Bailly is 'purposely s**t'. I find that a very strange statement indeed.
I won’t forget his body feints in his penalty box or around it, and he gets away with it most of the time. It’s sure entertaining to watch
At first I thought we had a world class CB when he played his first few games for us. His sliding tackles was crazy. He was fast and physical strong like Vidic. Little did I know that he was basically brainless, reckless and his body is made of glass.
I always thought that he would be good player for ETH and that Erik will like him.
If you meant about my post, i was talking about MG. Bailly is likeable and positive guy. Mad bastard on the pitch though
Maguire was our best defender for a full season after we signed him. There was a debate whether or not him or VVD was the best CB in the league, we were all super worried we wouldn’t win the Europa final without him when he was injured and missed the game, the same exact game Bailly played instead and did an overhead kick as a clearance that didn’t clear the box.
Unless I fell into a coma I never heard Bailly’s name mentioned in any conversations like that in his entire time as a professional footballer.
Bailly’s only problems are of his own making. There’s the foundations of a good defender but you can’t trust him, not even his own teammates can. So when I say he’s purposefully shit, I mean he can’t help himself from doing something stupid and putting everyone in the shit, and this is something he has done every single time he’s played.
Maguire comfortably was a better defender and player for us than this lad ever was.
Shocked people are still in his corner. Shocking player made worse by the fact he was never available.
Probably the most raw 29 year old CB to ever play the game.
Probably the most raw 29 year old CB to ever play the game.
Eric Bailly's top level is comfortably a higher level than Maguire's top level. It's just a shame he is always injured and is a very rash defender.
He had a decent run here and there, just like Rojo. or Jones. Some tend to hang on to that.
Bailly's best season (only good season tbf) was better than Maguire's best season.
Bailly has flashes of pure awesomeness, sadly that's not enough.
Truly astonishing he still has a cult on here.
Antonio Rudiger is what Bailly could have been without the injuries. So good it's almost unfair, the lad has everything. He is better than Maguire, so i would have kept him as backup for Varane and Martinez and get rid of Maguire.
PS: You have to laugh, all the players Ronaldo used to moan and whine about are joining up with him again in Saudi
Everything except for a brain.
Weird that some players find cult followings based on a handful of good performances.
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