Frank Lampard | Burnley?

[DWelbz19]

What about Benitez, though? Wouldn’t he have been a better caretaker manager? His stock isn’t exactly high right now, so maybe he would have accepted to shepherd Chelsea for the remaining games. Not a fan favorite, I guess, but definitely a better manager than Frank. I don’t remember him even being mentioned for the role.

I think the biggest problem Benitez has is what you allude to — the fact that everyone can’t stand the guy. There’s been a few clips and comments floating about from his Inter days where the players all loved Mourinho but then hated when Benitez joined. Likewise at Chelsea and Everton. I think the only players and fans who truly loved him was Liverpool, so that tells you everything about how odious he must be.

Not what you need to see out a season - it’d be like Rangnick under us. Just a wanker managing a bunch of spoiled players in extremely foul moods.

 

[Samid]

Bring back Frank to try and improve you. Can’t see it happening. They’ll drop even further down. Bet they’re an horrible club to manage. I thought we was the toughest job in the world but now I actually think Chelsea’s might be. If you don’t get it right straight away then you’re gone. No time.

No chance. Gap down is too big. They just need 5-6 more points to secure 11th place. Think even they will manage to beat Forest and rescue a couple of draws from their remaining fixtures.

 

[Ananke]

Ideally a caretaker would be someone who has a genuine chance to manage long term. Its like a loan player, you get a good look at him before making a permanent offer. Lampard we already know isn't the answer.

Yeh got to agree with this. Hiring Lampard wasn’t even an attempt to get someone who might ‘possibly’ be able to continue in the job. You don’t bring back someone who has already failed badly in the role…it’s nonsensical.

 

[Mr. Robot]

You rival fans care way more about the fact that it’s Lampard than Chelsea fans which says a lot because most of us are happy that he’s here. Would you have argued for a better quality caretaker if it was Bruno Saltor or some other random coach no one’s ever heard of? Our season is 99% done and we’re on the search for a new manager and we’ve hired an interim that fans love in the meantime. Seems sensible to me.

You rival fans care way more about arguing with Man Utd supporters on a United forum than using your own Chelsea one.

 

[Lyng]

Let’s just reiterate we’re talking about a caretaker on a 7 week contract. What would be a sensible option for you? Would Bruno Saltor be that? A coach from the youth teams? What would a sensible caretaker choice look like to you?

Given how far you are in the Champions League and how far away you are from champions league spots in the league, surely a actual proper manager would have been a better option?

 

[Brophs]

Genius move, tbf. Bring back Super Frankie and he’ll slate them for two months and have their morale on the floor for the next guy to come in and get that new manager bounce.

 

[TheReligion]

What prevents you from doing a "proper search" while there is a manager in place, and sack him at the end of the season?

I’m not really sure what @duffer means by this either really.

I’m sure we both discussed this when Potter was appointed and I suggested it was rushed and he thought otherwise.

I picked up a fair bit of stick in the summer being critical of Clearlake but it all seems to have come true.

 

[duffer]

I’m not really sure what @duffer means by this either really.

If Potter was still in place, they couldn't have interviewed Enrique and whoever else they plan to.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

If Potter was still in place, they couldn't have interviewed Enrique and whoever else they plan to.

Not officially but we all know it happens.

I bet you interviewed Tuchel before Lampard was officially sacked and the same with Potter before Tuchel was sacked.

The news came out we were going to hire Mourinho as Van Gaal was on the pitch at Wembley celebrating with the FA Cup!

 

[UweBein]

Is Super Frank back yet?

 

[DJ_21]

No chance. Gap down is too big. They just need 5-6 more points to secure 11th place. Think even they will manage to beat Forest and rescue a couple of draws from their remaining fixtures.

When I said drop down I didn’t specifically mean in the table. I just meant they won’t improve and will still lose a few games. Joke of a club.

 

[DJ_21]

Not officially but we all know it happens.

I bet you interviewed Tuchel before Lampard was officially sacked and the same with Potter before Tuchel was sacked.

The news came out we were going to hire Mourinho as Van Gaal was on the pitch at Wembley celebrating with the FA Cup!

Ye absolutely. I think a lot of clubs don’t want to sack managers unless they know that their main target to take over wants to join them. That’s why they need to ask people before they sack their current manager. It would be better if it was kept a secret though but as we know everything gets leaked.

 

[Ole'sattheWheel]

Is Super Frank back yet?

No he's gonna return on the date we play them and then revert back to current Frank immediately after

 

[duffer]

Not officially but we all know it happens.

It happens of course but having it out in the open makes the process easier.

If they came to the conclusion that Potter had to go, I can't see any benefit to keeping him in place for the next 7 weeks.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

What has Fat Frank ever done to warrant the job? - He has a great track record in managerial failure

“knows the club”

“gets it”

“stability”

take your pick

 

[Berbasbullet]

Actually think it makes sense? Hire a club legend to try and bring vibes and then conduct your search for the real thing to get in by June time.

 

[TheReligion]

It happens of course but having it out in the open makes the process easier.

If they came to the conclusion that Potter had to go, I can't see any benefit to keeping him in place for the next 7 weeks.

How does it make it easier? I’m genuinely interested as I had no idea that you’re not allowed to conduct a process whilst there is a perm manager in post.

 

[duffer]

How does it make it easier? I’m genuinely interested as I had no idea that you’re not allowed to conduct a process whilst there is a perm manager in post.

Are you asking how it is easier to do something in the open as opposed to having to do it secretly?

 

[Jim Beam]

Not officially but we all know it happens.

I bet you interviewed Tuchel before Lampard was officially sacked and the same with Potter before Tuchel was sacked.

The news came out we were going to hire Mourinho as Van Gaal was on the pitch at Wembley celebrating with the FA Cup!

Yeah, and Tuchel was in Munchen for 3 weeks doing shopping and not making the deal about replacing Naglesmann with Bayern.

The clubs do it all the time, if anything this is more unusual and happens when you don't have any plan in place to replace the first team coach. Which makes the sacking of Potter even weirder.

 

[TheReligion]

Are you asking how it is easier to do something in the open as opposed to having to do it secretly?

Yes I’m asking what difference makes to the owners and the process as we’ve seen it happen before. How does it become easier?

It does seem Chelsea again have no plan. I suggested it when you sacked Tuchel from memory as the Potter hire and pay out didn’t suggest much thought had gone in to it.

 

[duffer]

Yes I’m asking what difference makes to the owners and the process as we’ve seen it happen before. How does it become easier?

Don't have to worry about leaks, don't have to worry about upsetting the current manager, don't have to worry about upsetting the players, keeps the fans in the loop, lets any prospective manager know that there is 100% a position available.

If we agree that Potter had to go, what are the benefits of keeping him till the end of the season and doing the search under the radar?

 

[TheReligion]

Don't have to worry about leaks, don't have to worry about upsetting the current manager, don't have to worry about upsetting the players, keeps the fans in the loop, lets any prospective manager know that there is 100% a position available.

If we agree that Potter had to go, what are the benefits of keeping him till the end of the season and doing the search under the radar?

None of those seem that important in the grander scheme of things. The way you suggested it made me think there was some kind of legal reason that prevented it from happening. I guess if it’s easier or not is subjective in that case.

Id say keeping Potter makes more sense given so few games left. Again, depends what’s going on behind the scenes and if the dressing room has been lost so to speak.

He’s worked with the players longer, has all his own coaches and brings some kind of consistency. I can’t see the logic in letting him go and appointing someone like Lampard anyway.

 

[Fortitude]

Every time he comes back.

He’s like Jason by now.

 

[duffer]

None of those seem that important in the grander scheme of things. The way you suggested it made me think there was some kind of legal reason that prevented it from happening. I guess if it’s easier or not is subjective in that case.

Id say keeping Potter makes more sense given so few games left. Again, depends what’s going on behind the scenes and if the dressing room has been lost so to speak.

He’s worked with the players longer, has all his own coaches and brings some kind of consistency. I can’t see the logic in letting him go and appointing someone like Lampard anyway.

He'd certainly brought consistency! The lowest win ratio and goals ratio of any Chelsea manager for decades (including Lampard). you don't want that kind of consistency.

Potter is a better manager than Lampard. He's just seemingly utterly unequipped for the Chelsea job. That's not his fault but it is what it is.

 

[TheReligion]

He'd certainly brought consistency! The lowest win ratio and goals ratio of any Chelsea manager for decades (including Lampard). you don't want that kind of consistency.

Potter is a better manager than Lampard. He's just seemingly utterly unequipped for the Chelsea job. That's not his fault but it is what it is.

I guess that’s the point really. Is Lampard better equipped to finish the season than Potter? I’m not so sure.

 

[duffer]

I guess that’s the point really. Is Lampard better equipped to finish the season than Potter? I’m not so sure.

I think you or I are better equipped to finish the season as Chelsea manager than Potter and we're just a couple of true blue Chelsea fans.

 

[DOTA]

Sacking Potter was necessary and Lampard (tory cnut) is no less sensible a choice than the average caretaker manager. People are being odd about this, for the bants, I guess.

 

[TheReligion]

Sacking Potter was necessary and Lampard (tory cnut) is no less sensible a choice than the average caretaker manager. People are being odd about this, for the bants, I guess.

I mean I think it’s unusual to reappoint someone that already failed at the club recently, and already failed at another club in the very same season no?

 

[Charles Ufarley]

I mean I think it’s unusual to reappoint someone that already failed at the club recently, and already failed at another club in the very same season no?

Has the small of a Ralph Ringneck about it.

 

[TheReligion]

I think you or I are better equipped to finish the season as Chelsea manager than Potter and we're just a couple of true blue Chelsea fans.

Ahh come on. Shutting down any discussion about Chelsea by insinuating those talking about it are Chelsea fans is a bit crass.

Seen it thrown out a few times, not always by you, and it seems a bit of a cop out.

 

[duffer]

Ahh come on. Shutting down any discussion about Chelsea by insinuating those talking about it are Chelsea fans is a bit crass.

Seen it thrown out a few times, not always by you, and it seems a bit of a cop out.

I'm not shutting down anything, you asked if Lampard was better equipped than Potter and I answered "yes" in a jokey way.

Anyway, let's not argue here, better to do it on in private over a beer at Stamford Bridge next home game.

 

[TheReligion]

I'm not shutting down anything, you asked if Lampard was better equipped than Potter and I answered "yes" in a jokey way.

Anyway, let's not argue here, better to do it on in private over a beer at Stamford Bridge next home game.

As I say much of what I said in the summer has come true. I’m not arguing but you disagreed with me then too.

I think trying to make out anyone who talks about Chelsea is a Chelsea fan (cause you don’t like what they are saying) is crass. Especially when they are trying to have a genuine discussion.

 

[duffer]

As I say much of what I said in the summer has come true. I’m not arguing but you disagreed with me then too.

I think trying to make out anyone who talks about Chelsea is a Chelsea fan (cause you don’t like what they are saying) is crass. Especially when they are trying to have a genuine discussion.

Good thing I don't do that then. It wouldn't be "crass" but it would be incredibly stupid to suggest anyone who talks about Chelsea is a Chelsea fan.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

I mean I think it’s unusual to reappoint someone that already failed at the club recently, and already failed at another club in the very same season no?

Imagine this place if it all goes tits up with ETH and the club gives Solskjaer a call to return as interim...

The good case scenario for Chelsea is that Lampard's appointment is them basically throwing the towel in. A mea culpa gesture with the promise of a full reset next summer.

The bad case scenario is that they are actually looking for someone who will keep his mouth shut and handle the dressing room while they decide on the transfer policy.

 

[TheReligion]

Good thing I don't do that then. It wouldn't be "crass" but it would be incredibly stupid to suggest anyone who talks about Chelsea is a Chelsea fan.

It would but I see it trotted out a fair bit by you blues tbf.

I’m sure you’re not all stupid either!

 

[KM]

Sacking Potter was the right call but surely they could have let one of the coaches to manage whilst hiring Enrique/Naglesmann both of whom are free agents this season only. Would've helped them judge the current players better and they wouldn't have been in any sort of pressure?

 

[duffer]

It would but I see it trotted out a fair bit by you blues tbf.

I’m sure you’re not all stupid either!

Maybe we can see something in you that you haven't realised yourself?

It's Easter, a time of re-birth. Embrace it, come in to the light.

 

[TheReligion]

Imagine this place if it all goes tits up with ETH and the club gives Solskjaer a call to return as interim...

Not only that but imagine if Solskjaer had been managing a relegation candidate in that same season and had recently been sacked by them for poor performance… and then he came back to United.

I couldn’t even see the Glazers going for that and that says something.

 

[TheReligion]

Maybe we can see something in you that you haven't realised yourself?

It's Easter, a time of re-birth. Embrace it, come in to the light.

Im not sure I trust your collective foresight if I’m honest…

 

[stefan92]

Actually think it makes sense? Hire a club legend to try and bring vibes and then conduct your search for the real thing to get in by June time.

In principle you are right, but the problem is that Lampard quite recently failed at Chelsea and quite a lot of his players are still there. And another problem is that Chelsea isn't at a point where "just vibes" would be helpful. There is no established system, no clear squad hierarchy.

Such a "just vibes" approach works if these basics are there and you just need to lift the mood (which can be quite difficult and is really a skill if you can do it quickly). So Mourinho -> Solskjaer worked, but Potter -> Lampard won't have the same effect, I am absolutely sure about that.