No, sounds to me like they are trying to make the route to owning the club easier.
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feckers will likely also just accept an 8 figure fine from City for their offences. All about the money really.
The answer is pretty clear already, a majority of United fans have already swung from being completely against State ownership to firmly backing Qatar, despite having an option in a company as rich as INEOS that they would taken with both hands for any time over the past almost 2 decades. In fact, a huge majority of fans had INEOS/JR as our dream saviour just 1 year ago.
Make no mistake, we’d be incredibly financially sound being owned by a company that made 2bn profits last year and forecasts similar for the next two years, but the lure of “unlimited” money is clearly too much for some.
Then you have those who are still against state ownership, like myself. And even the majority of us would obviously take the State over the Elliot/Glazer option just because the latter risks the clubs entire existence. But there is a middle ground here, where you can be both against State ownership and against the Elliot-esque option.
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The Qatar bid is not a state backed bid though.
The Elliot / Glazer option is a no go imo, they are the 2 worst owners in modern history. Look what Elliot did to AC Milan and Glazers to us, imagine them joining forces.... we would be worse of than just the Glazers.
So fans are expected to service new debt/Elliot? Nice.
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This is an interesting and significant development, if so it could either mean:
- The PL is planning on blocking the deal and therefore ruining the relations with this Hanover Group
- The Hanover group is a significant way through negotiations with Qater and Raine and therefore have informed the PL due to imminent deal
Interesting indeed.
Looks like the Qataris have won.
More than likely option two...Severing ties by mutual agreement with the company so the PL cannot be called into question with the Hanover Group being involved. Sounds to me that they are trying to make it as simple as possible for Qatar.
Neither. Hanover are doing their job as a PR firm to avoid a PR disaster by engaging in conflict of interest situation with two high profile clients. Its likely that a conflict of interest section is part of the standard client contract
Qatar are either the client who pays the most, Hanover considers them the most high profile, or the Qatari interest is simply the active client whereas PL has remained on retainer until Hanover severed ties.
From the PR firms side, this is just good business practice, not a prelude to a conspiracy from either parties.
Looks like the Qataris haven't won.
It’s a state, and the Glazers will sell to the highest bidder.
I’d be amazed if they don’t win.
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Elliot scares the hell out of me.
The Glazers are most definitely not fine but I don't think you can bundle them with the Qataris.
I don't remember reading about thousands of Glazer employees dieing needlessly building and working in their US shopping malls.
Like I said.....most people on here want the Qataris because of money and has already been explained out transfer budgets are barely going to change anyway due to FFP.
Wouldnt draw too many conclusions from this, the league probably works with numerous PR firms. Less messy if they cut out any involved with bids to takeover a club
Where do think you are? NuanceCafe? There are never more than two options to any serious discussion.
I'd mooch in there for a drink tbf
Less messy for sure, but why not wait till the takeover is confirmed to cut ties? A lot of contractual stuff with things like this, which would require prior notice and absolute confirmation before said contracts could be terminated, one would think?
Anyone else read the Athletic Piece this morning?
It reads as one giant oxymoron.
Some people including the media are having a really hard time accepting that the Qatar takeover is winning the hearts and minds of most fans, YES we should scrutinise it, YES we should ask questions BUT it is by far the best option for the CLUB and future of the success of the team and club in the modern football landscape.
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It reads as one giant oxymoron.
- Poll created in premium, paid for sub service = views of local fan, how many actually subscribe and pay for the Athletic? Also proven many times with much bigger pools including Mitten to be wrong and Qatar ownership by far the most popular choice.
- Questions the validity of online fan opinion whilst defending the results of their own online poll...
- Continues to merit the commercial power of the club outside of state investment and the club can stand on its own two feet, whilst ignoring FFP issues and whats worse the fact that the online/worldwide fans are exactly why we are a commercial juggernaut in the first place.
Some people including the media are having a really hard time accepting that the Qatar takeover is winning the hearts and minds of most fans, YES we should scrutinise it, YES we should ask questions BUT it is by far the best option for the CLUB and future of the success of the team and club in the modern football landscape.
Most fans?
Most teenage fans who don't give two rats about anyone but themselves quite possibly. A lot of older fans feel a lot more uneasy about this.
I'd say it would be full of cnuts and with an unnecessarily complicated coffee menu.
2 points from me for this morning:
1) If the Glazers end up staying after all this, I feel they are going to burn a lot of bridges and will find it much harder to sell the club in a few years time as they'll be considered timewasters
2) If this Elliott idea is basically a £5billion loan which United will be paying for over time, the club will end up bust down the line and it should be blocked by the PL. I also can't see why they'd take that instead of a £5billion Qatar bid that goes straight into their greedy fat pockets
1) If the Glazers end up staying after all this, I feel they are going to burn a lot of bridges and will find it much harder to sell the club in a few years time as they'll be considered timewasters
2) If this Elliott idea is basically a £5billion loan which United will be paying for over time, the club will end up bust down the line and it should be blocked by the PL. I also can't see why they'd take that instead of a £5billion Qatar bid that goes straight into their greedy fat pockets
Whilst I think there will be other bidders, don't rule out imaginary bidders to force hand of others to raise their bids
Qatar ownership would bring about a sea change in the access of journalists who have been given an inside track by the current set up and are striving to maintain the status quo knowing what side their bread is buttered on.
Exactly why I pay zero attention to drivel like in this article.
Can someone explain to me how we can stand on our own two feet? That isn’t an option from what I can see and hasn’t been for a long time when outlets like this used us as cannon fodder instead of going after the owners.
That’s probably because they’ve heard the majority of fans slag off state and especially ME state ownership for 15 years, and probably because they saw how we all reacted and ridiculed Newcastle celebrating being taken over by the Saudis.
Those same fans now have the hearts & minds won by state ownership, so yeah, not hard to understand the “hard time”, think they fully expected United, after all that and the Murdoch protests to be the one club to say “feck off” to that model.
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Pretty much my reading on it, especially with the likes of Ogden and Wheeler.
I feel very little need to be respectful about the possibility of a hedge fund owning part of the club. Any hedge fund, but probably more than some, an American one, probably knows as much about "soccer" (engage very poor American accent) as I do about brain surgery. And cares even less.
Even if it didn't allow the Glazers top stay, it would destroy the club. Fans have to make it clear they wouldn't attend any games. In my opinion, and of course it's just an opinion, this is the worst of all worlds. Let them buy Liverpool or Spurs if those clubs want it. Hands off ours
Even if it didn't allow the Glazers top stay, it would destroy the club. Fans have to make it clear they wouldn't attend any games. In my opinion, and of course it's just an opinion, this is the worst of all worlds. Let them buy Liverpool or Spurs if those clubs want it. Hands off ours
I can’t see this being legal
'PR firm linked to premier league says Jim Ratcliffe is a greenwashing dick in bid to support Qatar bid' isn't an ideal storyline if Ineos end up buying the club.
100%. They are trying to protect their interests, nothing more.
You have players playing for such clubs right now. Why do you think our players are special regarding that? It's a job for them, period. Expecting or hoping for them to resign/quit from a job paying them 200k/week because of who the owners are is disingenuous.
Qatar seems to be our best option by now. Sportwashing vs more debt and the potential risk the club goes bust, I know my pick
It wouldn’t be “more debt and potential risk” though. Currently our entire debt is paid by Manchester United, a company with revenues of around 700 million and profits often below 100m. Those debts would be transferred to a company with 60bn in revenue and current annual profits of around 2bn.
Both the INEOS and Qatar bid would make us extremely financially strong.
That's not what I said. Look, you're being naive if you think that there are no players that would have a problem playing for a club owned by such a state backed regime. You also don't know which players have turned down moves to such clubs in the past. I'd be stunned if it's zero.
Let's not kid ourselves. The Qatarians dont but United just to let us operate as normal and giving us a blank cheque.
They've paid 5 bn if they succeed. Things will change. For better for worse. Part and parcell
They've paid 5 bn if they succeed. Things will change. For better for worse. Part and parcell
Right, as long as they don't take money out of the club to pay the debt which I don't think anybody here can guarantee.
No way can our club sustain a 5B debt. Think the only way the Glazers can use Elliot is to get debt from them to buy out some of their siblings. Now I am not sure if they can then transfer this debt on to United but I wouldn't be surprised to see these leeches do that.
The match going fans should absolutely raise hell to ensure the Glazers don't stay or any hedge fund does not wriggle in in their place. That's the one goal which should unite all fans, everything else should come after that.
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