Bloody hell I don't think that's too bad a rating. As much as we like to downplay how good Gerrard was on here
A ludicrous assessment too as apart from recently he hasn't actually been much danger at all in attack but has huge defensive strength.
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Bloody hell I don't think that's too bad a rating. As much as we like to downplay how good Gerrard was on here
A ludicrous assessment too as apart from recently he hasn't actually been much danger at all in attack but has huge defensive strength.
I think he's had a pretty poor season. His passing is very sloppy, like @Adnan says it hampers our build up quite a lot. He was much better last year, in my opinion.
He's definitely good enough squad option, definitely not a permanent starter but good player to have in the squad. This is hyperbole.
His defensive awareness is improving by the game, I wouldn't worry about the fouling in this game as Watford's strategy was to go down at any contact and try to nick a set piece even as they realized their set piece takers were utter crap.
Because I love my club more than any player at the club. And McTominay isn't good enough to help us reach the level we aspire to be at and that's been clear ever since I watched him in our youth team. We can't effectively progress play when he's playing in the team which i've mentioned before. He has a good attitude and shows passion on the pitch but that alone isn't good enough when your distribution is awful and then to compound things he hides from the ball. Him scoring a goal from a set piece doesn't change my opinion on his performance in midfield.
I like him.
But he can't get into Scotland's midfield albeit they are a decent side now.
I just wish he could pass. He's actually good in tight spaces, good first touch and decent dribbler. He should study footage of Carrick and work with him in training everyday. A united midfielder needs to be an above average passer.
But he can't get into Scotland's midfield albeit they are a decent side now.
I just wish he could pass. He's actually good in tight spaces, good first touch and decent dribbler. He should study footage of Carrick and work with him in training everyday. A united midfielder needs to be an above average passer.
Well said. He can be an ok squad player but if we want to compete at the highest level he cannot start games.
I'm still convinced he's a CB and not a midfielder.
That fact has already been realised as far as Scotland are concerned at least.
That fact has already been realised as far as Scotland are concerned at least.
Some sloppy passing in the first half but bagged a goal and made some good defensive contributions in the second.
Good game.
do we think he will change his no at the end of the season?
16 will be up for grabs. That’s a nice fit.
do we think he will change his no at the end of the season?
16 will be up for grabs. That’s a nice fit.
I’m always teasing Pool fans when he scores calling him the Scottish Stevie G. But basically that. Can’t pass and the odd thunderbolt But this new era of Scott needs to stop. Imagine building a future defence on John O’Shea.
Just stop.
Yeah he's always been a potential squad player, since he was introduced to the first team, anyway. I can't speak about his youth team pedigree.
He was massively over-promoted by Mourinho, which hasn't helped him, but that got his foot in the door and now he's here. We need a few of these types to bulk out the squad - ideal to use in tactical deployments like we've seen the likes of Welbeck or O'Shea do in the past. It's always better to find these players from youth, than spend to attain the type of journeyman that would be happy with that role.
He can aspire to reach Butt/Fletcher level - if he gets close to that, amazing. If not, we'll sell for a nice profit. He'll defintiely be a Prem level player at the very least, and has had a few really good perfromances for us.
What about his composure on the ball when pressed due to his strength, and ability to fight and win balls in midfield to start attacks. He wins the ball and pass it on, he doesn't misplace every pass he has made since the youth team. What about his runs through the lines and dribbling ability? What about his shooting? He is a well rounded player isn't he? He isn't a deep lying playmaker like Verratti supposed to play out the back, with magnificent technique, he isn't the Scholes or Carrick type.
In the youth-team he didn't have the physicality he has now which is his main asset also helping him to make the step up to senior football, so if you haven't moved on from how you viewed him in the youth setup no wonder you think he sucks besides showing passion.
I'm not gonna go into detail here but for me he his passing isn't good enough for the level we aspire to be at. He also must've lost possession about 13 or 14 times which is awful for a double pivot at a club like United. At a club like Burnley it'd be fine. But his physicality and running with the ball is useless if he fails at the fundamentals of the game like passing the ball and ball retention.
You don't have to do that no, but to me McTominay has good base technique for such a physical player. He isn't slow etc he is very dynamic. I don't view him as this Fellaini type or Burnley type of midfielder really although he would probably be Dyches wet dream. If Burnley can cough up north of 30m I would probably be fine with letting him go. He is only three years younger than Pogba who is also a flawed player, not good enough despite having the abilities you seem to want in McTominay. Neither is quite good enough, but McTominay might be in 3 years I don't know. His passing might be efficient enough, or maybe he has learned to adapt to a new role, or maybe he'll have a partner that works really well with him. It's not as if his passing is so bad that no matter what he does besides that, he can't ever be a good player for a top club.
That's fair enough.
If he performs well and improves his passing then I'll be the first one to praise him. 3 years is a long time in football and if he can improve his weaknesses steadily in that period then I'll be very happy mate.
I don't think the issue is that he isn't a brilliant passer of the ball. It's that he's more like a limited CB or target man, in his passing quality, and that is significant given he plays in midfield. He's well rounded in that he can do a bit of everything. He can defend. He can attack. He can drive forward. But isn't particularly good at any of those things. Add to that his rubbish passing, and it becomes a problem. He can probably still be an alright option to bring on, or used to disrupt games, like this teams Phil Neville or Fellaini, hopefully better versions of those two, but as a starter, having a non passing CM is a problem. People want exciting football but they also want players who can't pass due to passion.
That is a funny sentence.
Btw, I don't view him quite yet as a potential starter but I'm happy about his development and the type of player he is. We don't have anyone else like him except maybe Matic but he is very slow. Our CB's is the same, slow not a lot of strength. McTominay is powerful and harass folks similar to Essien, Casemiro, Cambiasso or someone like that without the great passing. It's not too bad at his age, for an academy product.
He can be very dominant at times and has a huge presence, which sometimes can have a greater effect on games than something aesthetic as passing. Effective passing is a team effort isn't it, unless we're talking about a midfielder who has that as a speciality. You can easily be a midfielder without being a specialist in passing. That presence though, the combination of physique and dynamicism theres something powerful about that even if your passing is inconsistent. If he can nurture it, who knows but as I said I don't think of him as a first teamer for the future at the moment. He should play a lot of games now though because we need his abilities against loads of opposition considering Lindelof and Maguire is both weak or slow, while Fred is a little bit short. Pogba is a mess at times and Matic is not dynamic or quick enough. He really is the most 'complete' midfielder of them all, just not quite good enough in any of the areas yet to be considered a top player, imo. He can even play better than our other midfielders at times so honestly I have little complaints with him in the side currently.
Solid performance by him and does his job well in front of the defence. Has a knack for sniffing out danger to, that I love.
I feel people are being overly critical. Both his awareness and decision making are very very good, and improving all the time. These are the most important things. He's never going to be a scholes but he can definitely improve his passing to be acceptable. Still only 24, hardly in his prime.
Good game, good goal
I can certainly see a CB in some years time
I can certainly see a CB in some years time
His passing is at times really atrocious.
I don’t think I have ever seen a player make as many baffling passes in a single game as he has in his last few games.
Yesterday there were 4 really strange, seemingly simple, short passes that missed their target by at least 5 meters.
And don’t get me started on the canon ball passes...
I don’t think I have ever seen a player make as many baffling passes in a single game as he has in his last few games.
Yesterday there were 4 really strange, seemingly simple, short passes that missed their target by at least 5 meters.
And don’t get me started on the canon ball passes...
Really good goal
He read the game really well defensively
One moment made me laugh though when he was driving with the ball unchallenged and passed it out of play, I thought somebody was down injured
He also gives away some really cheap free kicks near our box which he needs to avoid when we have lots of cover back and the opposition aren't going anywhere
He read the game really well defensively
One moment made me laugh though when he was driving with the ball unchallenged and passed it out of play, I thought somebody was down injured
He also gives away some really cheap free kicks near our box which he needs to avoid when we have lots of cover back and the opposition aren't going anywhere
People (including me) get too up and down on McTominay. He should and probably will be the backup DM here for a long time and maybe get some time at CB depending on the manager and how much we play 3 at the back.
VDB and Fred fighting for the 8 shirt and an elite holding mid backed up by McTominay next to them (and we can play both together if we need to kill games off with parking the bus and countering fast instead of with possession).
VDB and Fred fighting for the 8 shirt and an elite holding mid backed up by McTominay next to them (and we can play both together if we need to kill games off with parking the bus and countering fast instead of with possession).
He's 19 but Watford fans seem to have him performing at the level of a bog standard CL midfielder, so not at the moment, no.
a serious improvement on its current incumbent. Mind you, anyone would be.
Plenty of passion, right attitude, woeful passer of a football...Too many stupid fouls aswel.
Was reading Pep's comments about our team and he was quite high in praise for our side, with the noticeable absence of the goalkeepers, AWB and McTominay.
He is like Game of Thrones
He is involved a lot, agressive play winning some duels, score a goal or two, you are getting excited....
and then The 8 season comes...
i mean his passing... OMG
and you think if only i knew i would not even start watching....
Great character, fighter but just not good enough football player. I bet Pulis, Allardyce would sell their daughters to have him in their teams but for United he should be just a bench option for us to move level up.
If Pogba leaves we need 2 MF players in the Summer because right now its only Bruno and Fred that are capable of playing and not dissapoint us week in week out.
He is involved a lot, agressive play winning some duels, score a goal or two, you are getting excited....
and then The 8 season comes...
i mean his passing... OMG
and you think if only i knew i would not even start watching....
Great character, fighter but just not good enough football player. I bet Pulis, Allardyce would sell their daughters to have him in their teams but for United he should be just a bench option for us to move level up.
If Pogba leaves we need 2 MF players in the Summer because right now its only Bruno and Fred that are capable of playing and not dissapoint us week in week out.
McT good game from him in a puddle of mediocrity. Good to finish the game in 90 min and a clean sheet. Onwards and upwards.
His current skill set makes no6 his best position. Strong, mobile, good defensively, decent in the air. His passing isn’t good enough though.
He might have the attributes to be a CB but I can’t see him playing there at the top level. CB is a specialist position where experience is crucial - you learn to be good over many years and he’ll never get the game time there.
If his passing improves he could be a good rotation option at 6. Despite the odd decent performance, I don’t think he is title-winning-first-team material. But I like him and hope he steps up a bit.
He might have the attributes to be a CB but I can’t see him playing there at the top level. CB is a specialist position where experience is crucial - you learn to be good over many years and he’ll never get the game time there.
If his passing improves he could be a good rotation option at 6. Despite the odd decent performance, I don’t think he is title-winning-first-team material. But I like him and hope he steps up a bit.
He doesn't get into their midfield because they have better options in the likes of McGinn, Ryan Jack, Callum McGregor and Mclean. They are all better passers with more to their game overall. McTominay is being shoehorned as a CB simply because he plays for united
Most one-footed midfielder I have seen in United, he could not pass the ball with a left-footed to save his life. How can Ole blindly continue playing him in 6 that he wasn't suitable for it? It should be Matic or Fred in the role, not Mctominay.
I know he’s not a cafe darling but I like him, determined as feck, can finish and defend well and doesn’t seem to take any shit, thought he had a tidy game yesterday.
Typical toxic scumbags you find lurking over here..
Where is all this criticism coming from? I don't understand.
Decent last night and scored the match winning goal.
Decent last night and scored the match winning goal.
When you watch the likes of Gundogan and Thiago play in central midfield then you come to watch Mctominay play, you’ll understand why we are taking forever to be great again.
Yeah I don't get the criticism for Scott either. I like him a lot. He is very dynamic and he tries to be adventurous with his passing, even though his execution isn't always there. I don't fault a player for trying a forward pass. Better than sitting deep and passing it sideways all the time.
Most importantly, he plays for the club and not himself. Those type of players are incredibly hard to find these days.
Most importantly, he plays for the club and not himself. Those type of players are incredibly hard to find these days.
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