Who runs around? James and Lingard?
Lingard and McT for two.
Who runs around? James and Lingard?
It isnt. The bench is dung. He knows it and he doesnt trust them.
Still, ighalo should have been on as soon as the goal went in.
They need 3 or 4 more players in honesty
Lack of quality?
This is a lack of quality: having a reject City winger in their back four, a City reject in their midfield, another midfielder who's off to Saudi, and a Liverpool reject who scored.
Unbelievable the lengths people are going to defend Ole on this one.
He simply doesn't have the nous to recognise when a game is getting away from us, and is just not proactive enough for a manager of a world class football club. He was completely outdone by Lopetegui today.
Any sub today, made early enough, would've changed the outcome. Rashford was out on his feet and did nothing of note apart from a 5 minute spell at the beginning, Williams was struggling, Mason locked out of the game.
We cannot blame lack of quality on the bench looking at that Sevilla side. Ole's game management is just piss poor. He tries too often to be the nice guy, to keep everyone happy. Not ruthless enough.
Mata who changed the game in the last round and Ighalo who has scored goals this season.
Not all subs have to be Messi level. Sometimes you just need some fresh legs. I think waiting until 87th min to make subs considering that our performance levels dropped significantly after 65th min or so is basically giving up.Who are these decent players! Mata changing one game in a whole bloody season, the guy is done. Ighalo is the only one I would like to come on. But who else is decent in an attacking position? James who people call a championship player here, or Lingard who's been getting abuse for god knows how long.
Who are these decent players! Mata changing one game in a whole bloody season, the guy is done. Ighalo is the only one I would like to come on. But who else is decent in an attacking position? James who people call a championship player here, or Lingard who's been getting abuse for god knows how long.
Maybe bringing them on would have made a difference, maybe they'd be out of their depth. Who knows. They're both so far from this level of quality that like I say, I would feel more confident in a tiring Rashford or Greenwood producing a moment of magic than either of them.
If we had been outplayed throughout the second half and Ole was sat on his hands not changing anything then I would agree, but we were by far the better team and were done in by a goal against the run of play. But for a couple of mistakes at either end should have won comfortably with the players already on the pitch.
The squad isn't good enough. He made a judgment call that those on the pitch, although tiring, were still miles better than what's on the bench. I agree with Ole on that.
James is a championship player.
Ighalo was playing in china for a reason.
Mata was past it when we signed him 6 years ago and not clear who people think he should have replaced.
People have been saying for since the restart that we're fecked because beyond the starting 11 when just have turds. That remains the case until Woody splashes some cash.
This place has become so reactionary after every result. Just take the defeat and stop crying about it, we're rebuilding and it takes time.
It should be obvious why we don’t make subs. The players on our bench are FAR inferior to the players who start (even Rashford)
I’d rather have a tired Martial, Bruno or Greenwood than a fresh Mata, James or Lingard
I said it in the match thread about 30 seconds before they scored that we need to make a change but i couldn't pick a sub out that i wanted to bring on.Of course its bollocks. We did NOTHING after 60 minutes... Zero, oh apart from concede a stupid fecking goal. It genuinely would be impossible for our bench players to have contributed less... And the fact that they had fresh legs and could actually run probably means on the most basic level they'd have contributed more.
It should be obvious why we don’t make subs. The players on our bench are FAR inferior to the players who start (even Rashford)
I’d rather have a tired Martial, Bruno or Greenwood than a fresh Mata, James or Lingard
Spot on. The squad is being horribly utilized. And today was not a one off.Lingard on for Rashford to help Williams down the left and bring some energy to the side.
Matic for Fred for his more incisive passing.
Igahlo on for Mason who was so tired he at one point forgot how to kick a ball... Would also maybe score a goal. Or even Mata in for Mason so he could link up effectively with Martial / Bruno like he did in our last game.
TFM on for Williams or AWB who were knackered and making rash decisions,and not contributing going forward. TFM might also not have contributed but it wouldn't have made us worse.
Any of these could have happened at 60/70 minutes
I said it in the match thread about 30 seconds before they scored that we need to make a change but i couldn't pick a sub out that i wanted to bring on.
The only one going through my head was ighalo for rashy and shifting martial to the wing and maybe mctominay but our best midfielder was fred and i wasnt taking pogba of in a semi for him.
What changes would you have made, genuine question?
Not all subs have to be Messi level. Sometimes you just need some fresh legs. I think waiting until 87th min to make subs considering that our performance levels dropped significantly after 65th min or so is basically giving up.
It’s the strength in depth that’s the problem. Why would you want to bring on those players for any of the starters?
There’s no potential game changers whatsoever, whereas all the starters are, even when they’re not having the the best game.
I am not saying we would have won the game, maybe we would have lost by bigger score who knows. I just don't like seeing our manager doing absolutely nothing to change the game, that's all.Mate, we give our fresh legged players abuse every day on this forum. Now we want them to come on and save the game
Lingard and McT for two.
You’re saying that this is evidence of OGS being a bad manager but then contradict yourself by saying we need a cf and a RW (Sancho). If we had decent players on the bench that could impact the game then he would have used them. Unfortunately the club have put the manager in a position, by giving contract extensions to below standard players, where he has to try and persist with this first XI because the drop off in quality is huge.good reminder that ole is indeed a terrible manager and that we need a striker and sancho very badly... rashford as been terrible since the restart and is slowly becoming danny welbeck .
Then why extend his loan until January if he doesn’t even trust him?? And it’s not like January is going to be an easy period to find another striker!Ighalo was playing in china for a reason.
Mata was past it when we signed him 6 years ago and not clear who people think he should have replaced.
People have been saying for since the restart that we're fecked because beyond the starting 11 when just have turds. That remains the case until Woody splashes some cash.
This place has become so reactionary after every result. Just take the defeat and stop crying about it, we're rebuilding and it takes time.
Ah yes, Lingard who has a grand total of one goal all season and McT who has been pretty poor recently. I've said I would have liked Ighalo on earlier with the shape being changed but I have no faith in any other attacking subs - I like Matic and McT.
Agree... Only Ighalo should have been considered he is a bit of a unit..James, Fosuh Mensah, Mata and Ighalo. I'd wait longer.
We had a burst of around 20 mins after half time but then as the game went on, tiredness crept in and Sevilla were making changes and we weren’t.
Shite squad.
We should have been about 5 up and making defensive subs.
Which was our last goal from open play BECAUSE he had fresh legs and could force a mistake though simply running and closing down.
And an attacking sub that wasn't Igahlo changed our last game.
It would be different if the players on the pitch were still doing things, or even LOOKED like they were going to do something. But Bruno and Martial apart, no one did... So how would it be possible for our bench players to contribute less?
Of course its bollocks. We did NOTHING after 60 minutes... Zero, oh apart from concede a stupid fecking goal. It genuinely would be impossible for our bench players to have contributed less... And the fact that they had fresh legs and could actually run probably means on the most basic level they'd have contributed more.
Not think martial moved to left and ighalo up top would of brought a different attack considering that after a short spell in the second half nothing really happened ?No, we just don’t have any good players on the bench. I’d leave Rashford, Martial, Greenwood and Bruno on too. All are capable of something special even on an off day. The entirety of our bench isn’t.
That’s mostly the case with every clubLook at our bench theyre all miles worse than whos on the pitch...
Even that was overdue. I was amazed he wasn't making changes from 70-75min.