Harry & Meghan step back from Royals - seeking financial independence

utdalltheway said:
Prince Charles’ youngest brother.
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Sorry I don't know my Royal History and lineage as well as I should Edward VIII actually reigned as a monarch for a brief period before abdicating. He was certainly a bigger deal than Prince Harry.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
He was in line to be King before relinquishing his title and back in 1930 there wasn't social media and internet and everyone with a camera phone. If anything, their private life will be more scrutinised than it is at the moment.
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I think Colin's talking about the current Prince Edward, not Edward VIII! The current one had an lacklustre career as some kind of producer/TV guy, with virtually everything he produced being about the Royals.

Then he got married and quietly disappeared to another enormous royal house in the country, and had a couple of kids. He has picked up a lot of the charitable work that Prince Philip used to do, it appears.
 
Penna said:
I think Colin's talking about the current Prince Edward, not Edward VIII! The current one had an lacklustre career as some kind of producer/TV guy, with virtually everything he produced being about the Royals.

Then he got married and quietly disappeared to another enormous royal house in the country, and had a couple of kids. He has picked up a lot of the charitable work that Prince Philip used to do, it appears.
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Ah fair enough in that case.
 
What I don't get is Markles thought process before she married second most popular member of Royal Family. Why on earth did she that it would be anything else other than 100's of years of outdated tradition. She went from being relatively unknown to literally Royalty so asking for privacy is a bit rich. I mean what did she expect?

I have little to no sympathy for her.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
What I don't get is Markles thought process before she married second most popular member of Royal Family. Why on earth did she that it would be anything else other than 100's of years of outdated tradition. She went from being relatively unknown to literally Royalty so asking for privacy is a bit rich. I mean what did she expect?

I have little to no sympathy for her.
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Maybe she thought she wanted to marry the person she loved? And no way a yank would have any idea how mental the British press are concerning the Royal family.

For some reason we like being treated like naught children by toffs who have been robbing us blind for generations.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
What I don't get is Markles thought process before she married second most popular member of Royal Family. Why on earth did she that it would be anything else other than 100's of years of outdated tradition. She went from being relatively unknown to literally Royalty so asking for privacy is a bit rich. I mean what did she expect?

I have little to no sympathy for her.
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Neither do I

I would love to believe in true love and all that, but I'm a skeptics. I give them thumps up and glad to admit i was wrong if they're still married in 10+ years time, leading a blissful life whatever path they choose (phylanthropist, royals, professionals, etc) but it's too soon.
 
Wibble said:
Maybe she thought she wanted to marry the person she loved? And no way a yank would have any idea how mental the British press are concerning the Royal family.

For some reason we like being treated like naught children by toffs who have been robbing us blind for generations.
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I'm sure she would have seen the hysteria surrounding her once it was made public that they were a couple. As for being in love, relationships break down all the time because of family, ones career commitments, and so on. Again, I think she knew what she was getting into.
 
JMack1234 said:
It's all about money.

If they can achieve financial independence and fund their lifestyle then good luck to them. However, if they live in properties paid for by the taxpayer or are protected by publicly funded police officers then there has to be some come back on that. You cannot have all the benefits from being a HRH and not do the duties.
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Sums up my thoughts to be honest. It's one or the other. Keeping their titles and public benefits without carrying out the same duties isn't fair and won't provide value. Especially when you consider the cost the to taxpayer and the fact they will be spending alot of time not even in the UK.

The situation certainly needs clarity.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I'm sure she would have seen the hysteria surrounding her once it was made public that they were a couple. As for being in love, relationships break down all the time because of family, ones career commitments, and so on. Again, I think she knew what she was getting into.
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She would have known what she was getting into, but considering she grew up in the states and didn't grown up in an elite social status, I think it's understandable she wouldn't realise the full extent of what she's getting into. A completely different background to Kate Middleton.

I don't take any care to the royals, but Harry has clearly always been different to the rest of them even before he met her.

A lot of people assuming it was her decision and Harry had no to little say or influence when we have no real idea.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I'm sure she would have seen the hysteria surrounding her once it was made public that they were a couple. As for being in love, relationships break down all the time because of family, ones career commitments, and so on. Again, I think she knew what she was getting into.
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I'd say it was obvious she didn't and that Harry is quite rightly putting his wife before his family.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I'm sure she would have seen the hysteria surrounding her once it was made public that they were a couple. As for being in love, relationships break down all the time because of family, ones career commitments, and so on. Again, I think she knew what she was getting into.
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Of course she did. She was marrying Harry FFS, look what happened to his mum. We live in a hyper-connected world and this information is readily available. I think people need to credit her a bit with some intelligence and agency. She's not some brainless damsel.

I agree with @saviet though, Harry was always uncomfortable with being a front line royal and the exposure and pressure it entails. She will have only stoked feelings that were already there.
 
seeing as donald trump is going a bit off the rails with these missiles why doesnt he just send one to the palace for giving an american a hard time, then everyone would be happier
 
I'm enjoying all the meltdowns in the media about this

It's high time we fecked off the Royals anyway
 
devilish said:
If they want independence then they should get it but not one step out and one step in (to benefit from the perks surrounding being part of the royal family). That mean no money, no security etc.

And whoever says I'm anti markle they can buzz off. I loved her in suits, she's got maltese ancestry and she is very proud of such ancestry
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/prince-harry-meghan-decision

The couple trademarked more than 100 items including pencils, socks and bookmarks to their Sussex Royal brand more than six months ago, according to the Daily Mail, in a move that could possibly set them up to pursue lucrative business opportunities in a life in the New World.

US retail expert Andy Barr told the paper he would expect Prince Harry and Meghan’s global product empire to generate revenues of around $500m. “They are effectively trading on the back of the Royal name which is ironic given they are seemingly trying to escape its clutches,”

Tarrou said:
It's high time we fecked off the Royals anyway
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That isn't what's happening at all. It's just part of the evolution. If Harry & Meghan exploit their commercial evolution they'll only be growing the power of the institution.
 
TheReligion said:
Sums up my thoughts to be honest. It's one or the other. Keeping their titles and public benefits without carrying out the same duties isn't fair and won't provide value. Especially when you consider the cost the to taxpayer and the fact they will be spending alot of time not even in the UK.

The situation certainly needs clarity.
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You think if they have this sort of chivalrous traits, they wouldn't spend the taxpayer money on renovating their private house, royals weddings, etc. Meghan could have used her own hard cash for her wedding, did she?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/prince-harry-meghan-decision

The couple trademarked more than 100 items including pencils, socks and bookmarks to their Sussex Royal brand more than six months ago, according to the Daily Mail, in a move that could possibly set them up to pursue lucrative business opportunities in a life in the New World.

US retail expert Andy Barr told the paper he would expect Prince Harry and Meghan’s global product empire to generate revenues of around $500m. “They are effectively trading on the back of the Royal name which is ironic given they are seemingly trying to escape its clutches,”



That isn't what's happening at all. It's just part of the evolution. If Harry & Meghan exploit their commercial evolution they'll only be growing the power of the institution.
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Well, one has to see if all of that revenue is due to them being active senior members of the royal family or not. In more trivial way its like the JLingz brand. Is that due to him being popular in the football fora or is it because he's a brat playing for Manchester United player? Would he has the same pull if lets say he goes to play for Burnley next season?

Don't take me wrong If both are cut off from the royal family umbilical cord then I doubt that the two would end up starving. Meghan isn't poor and will get some A rated films/tv series now while Harry will probably join show business as well. In time they will be forgotten but by then they should have racked enough dosh to be set for life. However I don't think its fair for them to enjoy the benefits of being part of the royal family minus the responsibility. I also think that they will be well off enough not to depend on the royal family/tax payer on anything starting from security detail. If they want independence then should pay the bills for it themselves.
 
devilish said:
Well, one has to see if all of that revenue is due to them being active senior members of the royal family or not. In more trivial way its like the JLingz brand. Is that due to him being popular in the football fora or is it because he's a brat playing for Manchester United player? Would he has the same pull if lets say he goes to play for Burnley next season?
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I don't think that's a neat analogy. I think it's more like asking if Messi would still be a brand if he left Barcelona. The answer is yes. They'll (assuming the Queen agrees) still be using their titles and doing the same kind of duties and charity work that they did as active Royals under the control of palace. It's more a technical detail than anything else.

They'll only be forgotten to a degree if they seek a really low profile. If they choose to pursue serious brand building they'll remain relevant and then their kids after them (if that's what they want).
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I don't think that's a neat analogy. I think it's more like asking if Messi would still be a brand if he left Barcelona. The answer is yes. They'll (assuming the Queen agrees) still be using their titles and doing the same kind of duties and charity work that they did as active Royals under the control of palace. It's more a technical detail than anything else.

They'll only be forgotten to a degree if they seek a really low profile. If they choose to pursue serious brand building they'll remain relevant and then their kids after them (if that's what they want).
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Is Harry and Meghan the Messis though? The former isn't particularly bright and is getting further away from the crown with every child William and Kate pops out. Meghan is a third rated American actress. I loved her in Suits but lets face it, she's not exactly a top star. If the royal family stop backing them, then its only a matter of time before the novelty surrounding this 6th in line to the throne and his American actress wife will wear off.

I mean take Beckham as an example. Jeez that was a real brand name back then. Where is he know? He's hardly racking huge amount of money out of it anymore. We're talking here about a former United/Real legend here, someone with real talent whose wife was a signer in one of the most famous women band in pop history not someone whose specialised in ribbon cutting and waving.
 
devilish said:
Is Harry and Meghan the Messis though? The former isn't particularly bright and is getting further away from the crown with every child William and Kate pops out. Meghan is a third rated American actress. I loved her in Suits but lets face it, she's not exactly a top star. If the royal family stop backing them, then its only a matter of time before the novelty surrounding this 6th in line to the throne and his American actress wife will wear off.

I mean take Beckham as an example. Jeez that was a real brand name back then. Where is he know? He's hardly racking huge amount of money out of it anymore. We're talking here about a former United/Real legend here, someone with real talent whose wife was a signer in one of the most famous women band in pop history not someone whose specialised in ribbon cutting and waving.
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You'd think becoming a royals would make her job easier?

On the contrary i guess, half of the jobs would be gone because who dares to ask the royal princess to show some tits on telly. She'll get an odd movie to stars (probably some cameos and all that). She could reduce herself to some desperate actors, taking all sorts of B movies, ads, etc, but I doubt that'll be enough to support her lifestyle now.
 
Sky1981 said:
You'd think becoming a royals would make her job easier?

On the contrary i guess, half of the jobs would be gone because who dares to ask the royal princess to show some tits on telly. She'll get an odd movie to stars (probably some cameos and all that). She could reduce herself to some desperate actors, taking all sorts of B movies, ads, etc, but I doubt that'll be enough to support her lifestyle now.
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Do you really think that anyone in Hollywood cares what some family in the UK whose stuck to some medieval concept think? They'll cash on it especially now that Hollywood is in crisis. In time yes, she will be forgotten but not now.
 
Baffles me the coverage this is getting. We're on the brink of war, tanking the economy with Brexit and Liverpool winning the league and this is getting all the headlines. Priorities people!
 
devilish said:
Is Harry and Meghan the Messis though? The former isn't particularly bright and is getting further away from the crown with every child William and Kate pops out. Meghan is a third rated American actress. I loved her in Suits but lets face it, she's not exactly a top star. If the royal family stop backing them, then its only a matter of time before the novelty surrounding this 6th in line to the throne and his American actress wife will wear off.

I mean take Beckham as an example. Jeez that was a real brand name back then. Where is he know? He's hardly racking huge amount of money out of it anymore. We're talking here about a former United/Real legend here, someone with real talent whose wife was a signer in one of the most famous women band in pop history not someone whose specialised in ribbon cutting and waving.
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I think that you're massively underestimating the pull of the royal family, especially in America. It's massive and I'm pretty certain that many Hollywood studios will be falling over themselves to have a British Princess in their credits. It's of little surprise a US retail expert estimated the brand to be worth $500m. That might be conservative when you consider the vast fortunes that the Beckham's have raked in from their brand. The cultural links between the US and the UK are very strong and the Harry and Meghan marry them perfectly for the US market.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/victoria-and-david-beckham-are-now-worth-1-billion
 
SilentWitness said:
The cult following which the royals have is slightly terrifying.
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I had no idea the term royalists existed! Met plenty of people that quite like the royal family, probably more from other commenwealth countries than here...but I didn't know people had such a deep emotional investment in the idea. Weirdos
 
devilish said:
Is Harry and Meghan the Messis though? The former isn't particularly bright and is getting further away from the crown with every child William and Kate pops out. Meghan is a third rated American actress. I loved her in Suits but lets face it, she's not exactly a top star. If the royal family stop backing them, then its only a matter of time before the novelty surrounding this 6th in line to the throne and his American actress wife will wear off.

I mean take Beckham as an example. Jeez that was a real brand name back then. Where is he know? He's hardly racking huge amount of money out of it anymore. We're talking here about a former United/Real legend here, someone with real talent whose wife was a signer in one of the most famous women band in pop history not someone whose specialised in ribbon cutting and waving.
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Actually Beckham is still a multi-million pound name and business, as much as its ever been. It's his wife that is haemorrhaging cash. These pair will be able to cash in for years to come on the Royal name. Americans love that stuff.
 
11101 said:
Actually Beckham is still a multi-million pound name and business, as much as its ever been. It's his wife that is haemorrhaging cash. These pair will be able to cash in for years to come on the Royal name. Americans love that stuff.
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I never said that they are poor but their brand name is on the wane. That would happen to the Meghan-Harry brand the more years that pass unless they are involved with the royal family. That doesn't mean that they will starve. They will recoup enough money to live independently and rich.
 
devilish said:
I never said that they are poor but their brand name is on the wane. That would happen to the Meghan-Harry brand the more years that pass unless they are involved with the royal family. That doesn't mean that they will starve. They will recoup enough money to live independently and rich.
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You may think that but their brand holding company is still earning them as much money as it ever has.
 
Penna said:
I think Colin's talking about the current Prince Edward, not Edward VIII! The current one had an lacklustre career as some kind of producer/TV guy, with virtually everything he produced being about the Royals.

Then he got married and quietly disappeared to another enormous royal house in the country, and had a couple of kids. He has picked up a lot of the charitable work that Prince Philip used to do, it appears.
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I didn't realise until I saw it on the news last night, that it didn't really work out for them and Edward is now back doing 'Royal' stuff. Most of what he does passes under the radar, suggesting that he doesn't get up to any mischief and quietly gets on with whatever he has to get on with.
 
devilish said:
I never said that they are poor but their brand name is on the wane. That would happen to the Meghan-Harry brand the more years that pass unless they are involved with the royal family. That doesn't mean that they will starve. They will recoup enough money to live independently and rich.
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Not by as much as you're suggesting. Plus a quick google suggests the Beckhams' net worth is in the hundreds of millions, so even if they never make another penny they could several lifetimes over in the lap of luxury.

https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/...s-clothing-line-brooklyn-harper-a4089766.html

The former Manchester United star and England captain still outstrips the top Premier League earners, despite hanging up his boots six years ago
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https://www.goal.com/en/news/what-i...t-endorsements-does/rn0i9g1tuc9k1us86m07nh20n
 
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