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We've comfortably out spent Liverpool since Fergie retired, so the real problem has a lot to do with how we spend money and managers are a significant part of that.
Louis van Gaal was hamstrung by the board?
Seriously, the money he had spent on bang average players was absolutely inexcusable, he should’ve been sacked in Dec of 2015.
Mourinho was backed plenty too, up until his last window.
The Glazers fecked us over during the SAF era the most, we should’ve bought players like D.Silva and Aguero, instead of shite “value” signings.
We've comfortably out spent Liverpool since Fergie retired, so the real problem has a lot to do with how we spend money and managers are a significant part of that.
Their docile behaviour is doing us no favours.
We've comfortably out spent Liverpool since Fergie retired, so the real problem has a lot to do with how we spend money and managers are a significant part of that.
The one consistent all through these dire 7 years, the people who single handedly destroy any momentum we might get.
They fecked over Moyes in the window with a display of incompetence never seen at this club. They then went and signed players the next manager didn't want. They then looked to have hot it right for once and then fecked over that manager by giving him nothing to build on our best period post Fergie.
We are constantly in a state of transition because managers are not being allowed to build a squad. They are getting a window or two at best and then the rug is swiftly pulled from beneath them.
Now Ole has been heavily restricted in the market and our squad looks laughably thin.
I am not defending each manager outright, but as a group. Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole have all been hamstrung by the owners and their lapdog. No manager, of any ability would succeed here, not any better than Jose did anyway because it's a case of one step forward, 3 steps back.
Sacking Ole just starts the process again. Nothing changes while they run the show.
Piss poor manager having to rely on piss poor players. That is relegation material if that is true. We'll see at the end of the season if that is in fact correct. I've honestly got no idea, but I really enjoy our play at times despite being heavily dissatisfied with our squad, and especially the performances of some of our players. The good thing is there is no where to hide, not for Ole, not for the players. For me, if Ole takes charge and are ruthless with the squad after learning a lot through this season then he is a strong manager and deserves the job. If he continues to trust players that are not performing like Lingard etc, he'll naturally not last at the club as he'll be exposed for being weak.Having a piss poor manager seems like a real problem to me.
Basing that one what exactly?That window was largely down to Moyes incompetence to be fair. The club was more than willing to spend a shit load of money, but Moyes dithered and couldn't decide who to spend it on.
Having a piss poor manager seems like a real problem to me.
Truth. We all know this, but nothing changes. Where do we go from here? It almost feels like United will need to hit rock bottom for something to change. Like: not making even top 10, all sponsors running away, or maybe even getting knocked down to championship. Parasites won't leave until there's blood to be sucked.Agree with op 100%. The one common denominator in all this is woody and the glazers. We could try every manager in football and nothing will change while these parasites run things.
We have now reached a point where our problems and the gap to City and Pool are so big that it will take several years to catch up.
Basing that one what exactly?
Shite flows down, the OP is spot on and the signs were there under Fergies reign
Don’t agree that the Glazers are the only problem, or even the biggest problem. Let’s not kid ourselves that we haven’t spent money since Fergie left because we have. Maybe not as much as some would want but I don’t think the Glazers have tied the managers hands in this regard. It’s the players we have bought that have been the issue and that the club is too keen to be seen as one that will give players chances to prove themselves even if it is blatantly obvious they are not going to be good enough. If we had replaced players like Smalling, Jones, Darmian, Rojo, Valencia, Young, Mata, Matic, Lingard and Bailly quick enough, when either we knew they wouldn’t be good enough or knew they had lost the ability that we bought them for we would have been in a much better position over the last 5-6 years. The biggest problem we have is we have only started to do that this year.
Who’s fault is that? Glazers, Woodwood, Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjær or the players themselves. The answer is all of them to some extent. We have made a patchwork quilt of a squad due to many reasons, until that is resolved there is no way we are going to be challenging for the big honours. Reading some posters on here you would think we were relegation favourites, absolutely ridiculous. We are in a group of teams underneath Liverpool and Man City. Unfortunately for use two of the best run clubs in the world right now. They haven’t always been but again you would think they have been reading some on here. For a long time it was us and Arsenal, apart from about 4/5 teams in Europe every team goes through this, we were lucky not to for so long due to one man.
The club needs to right itself and the only way to do that is to do it together, it looks like we have a clearer plan now than we have in the last 6 years, by no means is it anywhere near compete but if it takes a year or two to get us in a good shape again, by that I mean a balanced squad of hungry players, some young some experienced, clear out the players who have been here too long and are stale now, reduce the wage bill to an acceptable level where incoming players can’t hold us to ransom, back a manger who agrees with this approach and not one that chases quick wins with irrational transfer strategies.
Don’t get me wrong, I find it hard watching us at times but for the first time in years I can see light at the end of the tunnel, but we have to stick with it or we will continue to go around like this. We are a work in progress with a very thin squad, let’s see where Ole gets us to this season, top 4 with this squad will be a massive achievement but a possible one if we all stick together.
My point exactly, we need to stick with Ole and stick with one plan to rebuild the club.This is the 4th manager since Fergie retired, which is the reason why we have spent so much money. Every manager want their own players and this will go on and on if we keep changing the manager. Give Ole time to build and the board and Glazers should back him with the money to bring in the sort of player he wants here. If not, then be prepared to give the next manager millions more for new players, and a lot of them.
When is Ed's 'tipping point moment' coming?... When's it coming?
Lots of managers with little experience or no big trophies have gone on to become excellent managers. Guardiola and Zidane come to mind. I’m sure there are plenty more.Why should they even think that a manager who has no experience at all in managing a top club and who has no record of winning a trophy at a decent league is the one to manage in the most competitive league and the biggest club in the World?
He should never have been hired.
My point exactly, we need to stick with Ole and stick with one plan to rebuild the club.
I’m probably in a minority but if we had stuck with Moyes for 6 yrs would we be in any worse a position? I don’t think so and I don’t think Moyes is a good manger. Simply give 1 manager the money we have spent in that time and we’d be in a better position than now.
Exactly.My point exactly, we need to stick with Ole and stick with one plan to rebuild the club.
I’m probably in a minority but if we had stuck with Moyes for 6 yrs would we be in any worse a position? I don’t think so and I don’t think Moyes is a good manger. Simply give 1 manager the money we have spent in that time and we’d be in a better position than now.
When the club starts failing off the pitch.
Reality mate. It’s well documented we made bids for Fabregas, Baines, Fellaini. We would have pursued Ronaldo also if he hadn’t been in the final stages of agreeing a new contract.
Moyes himself confirmed we made a world record bid for Bale but he was too far down the road with Real.
Late in that window according to Moyes the club got tired of waiting for him to make up his mind so took over transfer target decisions and signed Fellaini for a higher fee than we could have signed him for a month earlier. There were also bids for Herrera, DeRossi, Khedira and others.
We signed Mata for a club record £38m that January. So no one with any knowledge of the facts can say Moyes wasn’t backed financially.
The window was a disaster primarily because Moyes dithered.
Yep. Woodward and the Glazers are our biggest problem. The optimist in me hope's if we changed Woodward to a more competent person we could turn things around. However, he is very much just implementing what the Glazers want. Minimal investment t. Maximum profit. Any replacement would likely be tasked to do similar. This is probably why we haven't hired a DOF.OP is right. Those who are now saying Ole isn't experienced enough. We had Mourinho the last three seasons, one of the most experienced managers out there and before that van Gaal for who goes the same, both proven winners, and they still both failed miserably due to our the Woody's incompetence.
Agree with the OP. Woodward/Glazers are responsible for the mess we are in but you have to understand that Ole isn't up to the job. It's plain as day. I won't turn on him because it's not entirely his fault, but he is responsible for the awful run of results. If the next 16 games are like the last we will be in the relegation zone. Is that what you really want?
Their docile behaviour is doing us no favours.
We literally allowed Mourinho to make a world record signing when he first arrived and then to make one of the most expensive transfers of all-time in Lukaku as well. I like Maguire but the idea he alone would've had us mounting a title challenge (which should have been the expectation last season) is fairly silly.
Because if we change now who is to say they will do any better with this group of players? I don’t think we should change managers to only start the process of different ideas all over again. It’s got us no where over the last 6 yrs.Why do we need to stick with Ole? Look, Woodward is the main problem but you need to also hire a capable manager. Ole simply isn’t capable, that’s very clear now.