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Source? Or just making it up? If Sir Alex REALLY wanted Baines, he would have got him.
Yeah mate i'm just making it up.
Source? Or just making it up? If Sir Alex REALLY wanted Baines, he would have got him.
He comes across as being a massive bellend almost all the time. No wonder Keane wanted to deck him.
Sometimes it is the case though, look at this season. Now i agree this club has problems with the structure and areas where it could definitely modernize.
But Moyes was truly awful to an extent that i feel many still underestimate. He had that team punching way below its weight.
And he may have received a lot of criticism some unfair but his behaviour and shit stirring during and after the job haven't exactly helped with his popularity among the majority of United fans or generated much sympathy towards him.
He hasn't helped himself with some of his comments since he left admittedly, but I can understand his bitterness, and we've reached Déjà vu so i'm outta here....
Tbf Sunderland was a mulligan but I've heard from inside the Sociedad camp that players were not happy about his training and general communication. Whatever he did at Everton must have involved good communication and relationship with players which he hasn't managed at other clubs.I would agree with mate that clearly he did a good job at Everton but hasn't been able to replicate that elsewhere.
After the United job i wasn't convinced one failure made him a bad manager or past it. But the Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham jobs to him being one or both now.
I can't find any links but i do remember us being linked with Baines when he was at Wigan. Though i don't know if there was anything of substance in it or it was just tabloid bullshit.
Clearly.Yeah mate i'm just making it up.
Clearly.
Can’t erase that unfortunately, it was the game that ended up costing the league titleYou don't play negative boring football when you've got the two best attacking fullbacks in the League bombing forward all game, and i'm guessing you've erased the 4-4 from memory ?
Can’t erase that unfortunately, it was the game that ended up costing the league title
That was 8% of their premier league goals scored that season in that one match. In 05/06 his Everton side scored 34 pl goals, that is beyond shit. He should have never been in contention for the job, he had nothing going for him
A shame that Fergie's last official activity was his biggest mistake.
And Schmeichel should shut up.
Source? Or just making it up? If Sir Alex REALLY wanted Baines, he would have got him.
I remember too we were heavily linked with Baines during his time at Wigan and Everton.....he was very very good for 2-3 years.I can't find any links but i do remember us being linked with Baines when he was at Wigan. Though i don't know if there was anything of substance in it or it was just tabloid bullshit.
Moyes was surely not the boards or Ferguson's 1st/2nd/3rd choice but he had his part in that decision.It wasn't his mistake to make. Someone else hired Moyes.
Moyes was surely not the boards or Ferguson's 1st/2nd/3rd choice but he had his part in that decision.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/22453802
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...97/United-wanted-Guardiola-and-not-Moyes.html
If anyone should have gotten more time I think it should be LVG. Not saying I enjoyed that spell either, but rather LVG than Moyes.
Yes of course! But he was probably the person with the most football/coaching knowledge during that decision therefore he should have seen that Moyes was never good for Manchester United or any top club.I know his role in advising, but other people were in charge of United and made the decision to do it.
Tbf Sunderland was a mulligan but I've heard from inside the Sociedad camp that players were not happy about his training and general communication. Whatever he did at Everton must have involved good communication and relationship with players which he hasn't managed at other clubs.
I can believe that. At Sociedad that's the exact same thing I've heard. Not to take away from his Everton side but it's going to be hard seeing him replicate that anywhere now as he just wouldn't get the time that he apparently needs to function.I read stories after he left he wasn't too popular at Everton either with a lot of the players, certainly not with the club staff who thought he was aloof and generally unhelpful. They called his office the bunker or something, he moved it as far away from everyone else as he could to be unapproachable.
But as i said whether thats true or not he did well there, but just can't replicate it. I don't know if the United job broke him, football has passed his method by or the Everton was a perfect storm. Could be a combination of all 3.
I read stories after he left he wasn't too popular at Everton either with a lot of the players, certainly not with the club staff who thought he was aloof and generally unhelpful. They called his office the bunker or something, he moved it as far away from everyone else as he could to be unapproachable.
But as i said whether thats true or not he did well there, but just can't replicate it. I don't know if the United job broke him, football has passed his method by or the Everton was a perfect storm. Could be a combination of all 3.
Lucky he wasn’t sacked at the beginning of that season 1 goal and 7 defeats in the first 8 games.Apart from the backing of probably the greatest Manager the game has ever seen.
ps. They scored 10 of those 34 goals in March, not a lot of people know that....
I can believe that. At Sociedad that's the exact same thing I've heard. Not to take away from his Everton side but it's going to be hard seeing him replicate that anywhere now as he just wouldn't get the time that he apparently needs to function.
I think the British media wanted a great white hope and Moyes was the best available (given Redknapp was pushing 60 at the time). Moyes did a solid job at Everton but nothing to suggest he was destined for greatness.
Moyes was surely not the boards or Ferguson's 1st/2nd/3rd choice but he had his part in that decision.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/22453802
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...97/United-wanted-Guardiola-and-not-Moyes.html
Sociedad thing isn't even a rumour. A player of his told me this shortly after his sack. There was just nothing going on with him, you couldn't talk to him and his training was slow, outdated and miserable. No one liked him there.I read similar rumours out of United after his sacking and read the Sociedad one too. So clearly he's not a people person.
Sociedad thing isn't even a rumour. A player of his told me this shortly after his sack. There was just nothing going on with him, you couldn't talk to him and his training was slow, outdated and miserable. No one liked him there.
Lucky he wasn’t sacked at the beginning of that season 1 goal and 7 defeats in the first 8 games.
Out of interest why do you think he deserved more time?
Why in the name of feck would you highlighting a season that happened 8(eight) (1,2,3,4,5.6,7....8)years before David Moyes became the Manchester United Manager ? Don't answer that because I know your reason.
And just for your info of those 7 defeats, one was against United at home, and there were defeats at Arsenal, City and Tottenham. How many points/wins would you expect Everton to get in those same fixtures in any given season, Again no answer needed.
And as for why he deserved more time, because anybody with more than their fair share of braincells knew that whoever replaced the great man SAF they were always on a hiding to nothing and it was almost certainly gonna go tits up to start with, history tells us that will happen, as apposed to being a smooth transition....
To be fair mate pretty much no one expected a smooth transition, the general consensus on here and elsewhere was that there would be a drop off in performance and results. No one expected to be winning the league for 2-3 years at least.
In the short term in the first season post Fergie the majority would have been happy enough with 4th and maybe a decent cup run. I don't think its unreasonable to expect a manager who kept Everton in and around 5th-8th for a decade to be able to take over the runaway champions and at least keep them in the top 4.
What actually happened though was way below everyones including the Club's minimum expectations. We dropped down the table like a stone, did nothing in the cups, failed to even qualify for any sort of european competition and only won two league games against the top 10 sides other than ourselves in the country. All the while playing a brand of football that most didn't enjoy watching.
Come one mate there isn't a club on planet earth who would have given any manager more time after that performance. Fact is its probably only United that would have given him as long as they did, Chelsea, Real etc. would have sacked him before Xmas and given him no chance at all to turn it around. So in reality he did get more time.
As i've said previously if he'd been given a 3 year contract and it was written in said contract that top four was the bare-minimum than fair enough, sack him, but because we gave him a 6 year contract it suggested the club felt, despite being reigning Champions, we needed a major overhaul of the squad, certainly the defence anyway(5 years on we still do) and would cut him some slack in his first year at least if we missed out on top four.
And i'd like to think we have a bit more class than Real Madrid and Chelsea, well let's be honest most clubs do. And why sack him before Xmas, we were still on course for the magical top four finish, and as we got to the semi-finals of the League Cup, and were 10 minutes kamikaze defending(@ Bayern)away from getting to the semi-final of the Champions League(both obviously after Xmas)suggests it was the right thing to give him more time.
And i'd like to think we have a bit more class than Real Madrid and Chelsea, well let's be honest most clubs do.
As i've said previously if he'd been given a 3 year contract and it was written in said contract that top four was the bare-minimum than fair enough, sack him, but because we gave him a 6 year contract it suggested the club felt, despite being reigning Champions, we needed a major overhaul of the squad, certainly the defence anyway(5 years on we still do) and would cut him some slack in his first year at least if we missed out on top four.
And i'd like to think we have a bit more class than Real Madrid and Chelsea, well let's be honest most clubs do. And why sack him before Xmas, we were still on course for the magical top four finish, and as we got to the semi-finals of the League Cup, and were 10 minutes kamikaze defending(@ Bayern)away from getting to the semi-final of the Champions League(both obviously after Xmas)suggests it was the right thing to give him more time.
We sacked Jose before Xmas this year, do you think United lack class now?
Lets not also not forget we hired Ferguson after sacking a manager before Xmas. So we're not too classy to do it we never have been.
History has shown that sacking underperforming managers mid-season can be the right decision.
Chelsea sacked Villas Boas mid season and won the Champions League and FA Cup.
Real sacked Benitez mid season and won the Champions League.
Sacking Mourinho is looking like a good decision so far, had we pulled the trigger on Moyes earlier we might have been able to rescue something from that season as well.
Read back on the posts made back when Moyes came here. The idea we'd slide outside the top four wasn't being taken into consideration. I predicted we'd finish a modest 3rd and probably came across as one of the most negative people around. I'd suspect Fergie and co shared similar expectations in that a year of rebuilding would encompass a disappointing 3rd or 4th placed finish. Not finishing behind Everton and getting demolished regularly at home by our rivals.
Real Madrid and Chelsea may lack class but in recent years they've been...well, winning stuff. More often than us, anyway. And for all our class, Fergie was regularly ruthless with players, selling them on or dropping them when it was clear they weren't good enough anymore. One of his primary virtues as a manager was his lack of sentimentality in spite of all he achieved, the fact he tended not to play favourites and rejigged the squad when necessary. The board should take a similar view of managers if they want us to succeed. Abject failures shouldn't be afforded more time than necessary out of some bizarre notion that it's classy to give them longer not to do their job properly.
Why in the name of feck would you highlighting a season that happened 8(eight) (1,2,3,4,5.6,7....8)years before David Moyes became the Manchester United Manager ? Don't answer that because I know your reason.
And just for your info of those 7 defeats, one was against United at home, and there were defeats at Arsenal, City and Tottenham. How many points/wins would you expect Everton to get in those same fixtures in any given season, Again no answer needed.
And as for why he deserved more time, because anybody with more than their fair share of braincells knew that whoever replaced the great man SAF they were always on a hiding to nothing and it was almost certainly gonna go tits up to start with, history tells us that will happen, as apposed to being a smooth transition....
Quite funny that the same logic didn't apply to Moyes. He left everton after 11 years and his former team finished above us after we forcefully took their best player. Everton had their best finish in 5 years that season and a points total higher than Moyes ever achieved with them.
Everyone would admit that it's an impossible task to replace Ferguson but you don't go from 1st to 7th, alienate most of your senior players and break some of the worst records at the club in the process. That's not acceptable for one of the biggest clubs in the world. 6 years contract or not.
Yeah we sacked Mourinho before Xmas, but it was his third season not his first, and he was trying to get sacked anyway, and we were 19th in the League when Big Ron in his fifth season got sacked, and we'd just been humiliated at Southampton in the League Cup.
I couldn't give a flying fart what Royal Madrid and Chelsea do, or don't do mate, they just don't register.
Yes if we'd sacked David Moyes earlier we may have been able to rescue something from that season, but conversely it may have got worse, a lot worse.
I won't read back thanks, i'll take your word for it, but maybe United finishing outside the top four should have been taken into consideration because it should have been bloody obvious that the new Manager(whoever he was)had a major rebuild on his hands, christ 5 years on we still haven't adequately replaced any of Rio, Vida and Evra who were all ready for the Travellers yard and of no use whatsoever to the new Manager and needed replacing asap, and the less said about the midfield and upfront the better. We basically needed a new team.
Yep i'm sure the Board hoped things would go smoothly but the fact they gave Moyes a six year contract suggests they knew there would be bumps ahead but they were placing their confidence in him to erm Manage the situation and get us back on track.
it was written in said contract that top four was the bare-minimum than fair enough, sack him,
And Yes SAF could be ruthless, but I don't recall him ever giving a player a 5/6 year contract, then binning them off 7 months later.