Needs to go if he has any ambition as a coach. He's taken Spurs as far as he could. Won't be surprised if we start hearing reports soon that he's asked the club to let him go. Real won't wait for ages.
Next Real Madrid manager | Glaston has a shocker
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
I'll be gutted if they get Poch to replace Zidane because Poch was my ideal Mourinho replacement. You'd imagine as much as he loves Spurs if Real come calling then you go.
God this is going to screw Spurs, just as they moving into a new stadium they lose their manager and maybe a few key players at the same time. We always knew that Spurs had a small window to go on and win things but they could really be screwed now.
God this is going to screw Spurs, just as they moving into a new stadium they lose their manager and maybe a few key players at the same time. We always knew that Spurs had a small window to go on and win things but they could really be screwed now.
Can’t see either Poch or Klopp taking the job - both are very comfortable at clubs where they are under zero pressure to win things, receive zero criticism from the media and are worshipped by supporters like they have actually won significant trophies for those clubs.
Poch has the character I think to manage such a big club as Real at some point but I don’t think now will be the time, but Klopp hasn’t the balls to take-on something like Real Madrid at any time; I expect him to be at Liverpool for ages yet.
Poch has the character I think to manage such a big club as Real at some point but I don’t think now will be the time, but Klopp hasn’t the balls to take-on something like Real Madrid at any time; I expect him to be at Liverpool for ages yet.
Real needs a big name in the helm. Whether it is a great coach or a great former player, he needs to have the players' respect. And I don't think Poch can do that, yet.
It's Real Madrid, saying no to Real Madrid is always a stupid decision. A player or manager signing a contract a short time before leaving has happened plenty of times in football.
I don't think he'll be their manager though, it's going to be Allegri.
United. Spurs aren't a threat to United if United get things right.
Pochettino is a hard task master who works well with young players. That Real Madrid team won't take to him in my opinion.
All the actors are over 18 legit ?
He'd be my first choice if I was Madrid fan. With a shed load of cash behind him he could build a good team for their future.
Poch might have a clause for breach on contract right? I am guessing all Real has to do is pay that amount to Levy. If Levy has put more ifs and buts in the contract, then pay that as well.
dos , tres, cuatro times.
Not when they could wait a few days and find out whether a vacancy exists (Zidane being sacked for losing the CL final) at the club they allegedly want to go.
Really? I can’t comprehend how you’d want the guy who couldn’t beat Leicester City to the title over day Allegri, Conte, even Wenger. They all have trophies
I really wouldn't rule out he prolonged without knowing Zidane is about to step down and with the position being open now (and Real supposedly coming knocking) he didn't change his mind
I think Poch will go there but not this summer. I think they'll feel him out and get that vibe and be happy with an appointment for one or two years to be a stop-gap for when Poch comes. Wenger is experienced and can probably be dictated to after showing how good a company man he is at Arsenal. Perez will be the one picking the players and the signings.
Benitez going back wouldn't be a massive surprise to me either.
It's going to be interesting seeing how they get a short-term coach but trying to replace some of their modern day legends. Perez is pretty unforgiving and 2nd place and a semi-final wouldn't cut it even if some young players showed great potential.
Benitez going back wouldn't be a massive surprise to me either.
It's going to be interesting seeing how they get a short-term coach but trying to replace some of their modern day legends. Perez is pretty unforgiving and 2nd place and a semi-final wouldn't cut it even if some young players showed great potential.
I just hope they won't take Allegri - that is my favorite to succeed Mou.
New benefits, a pay raise etc etc. It's literally why you renew a contract. For what reason would he have to wait after the champions league final? At that point in time there was no benefit in that, so why would he do it?
Your entire argument seems to be that if he wanted to join madird he would have waited till after the CL final to sign a new contract. That's simply not true and a null point. There was no indication zidane was leaving/getting sacked, it'd literally only be guesswork if he were sakced after the CL final, if they had lost, and theres too many ifs there.
No need to be scared, hear van gaals available.
Zidane wouldn't have been sacked even if he lost the CL final
I think Poch will stay in England, perhaps he is overwhelmed by the thought of going to Real Madrid? Everyone knows a failed season and you’ll be sacked, didn’t take long for Benitez to end up at measly Newcastle. At Spurs he can hypothetically finish 7th next year and still sit comfortably in his seat, which I guess is reassuring after all. A bit like a very comfortable employee flirting with a much bigger and better company with higher expectations - but you’re scared of the change and stay.
Let’s wait and see, Real Madrid (and Barcelona) aren’t that reliant on the «best» manager to be happy. Real’s last 10 managers have included Benitez, Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Juande Ramos, Schuster, Luxemburgo, Quieroz and del Bosque.
I wouldn’t be shocked if Wenger ended up there, he would deserve it too. Perhaps too romantic
Let’s wait and see, Real Madrid (and Barcelona) aren’t that reliant on the «best» manager to be happy. Real’s last 10 managers have included Benitez, Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Juande Ramos, Schuster, Luxemburgo, Quieroz and del Bosque.
I wouldn’t be shocked if Wenger ended up there, he would deserve it too. Perhaps too romantic
This literally isn't a thing a person would do, clutching at the deepest of straws here
Who are we talking about here? I am confused now.
Yup, by the time Real Madrid was in their third final in a row, after beating Bayern Munich, no one was sacking him and no one wanted him out. So him being in danger of getting sacked depending of the outcome of the final is bs.
The problem is, a manager doesn't necessarily choose when it's the right moment to go to Real Madrid. There is a saying in Spain which goes "the Madrid train only passes once in a lifetime". Maybe for people like Mourinho when he was at Inter or Capello years ago that's not accurate, but those are the exceptions rather than the rule, as they were seen as the top of the crop, the upgrades of upgrades, the best of the best.
So, under this perspective coaches have to face the dilemma, which is not really a dilemma
, of choosing between 25% success rate at Madrid (or whatever they think the success rate is) or 0% success rate at Madrid.Now, I'd ask you to forget that I am a Madrid fan for a while, please. Try to imagine I support IFK Goteborg in Sweden or Sampdoria in Italy. And by that I mean, try not to imagine I am a Madrid fanatic and look at my opinion rather than what I am.
What's so mental about an Argentinian manager that played and coached for most of his career in the #1 public enemy club of FC Barcelona in Catalonia, looking forward to coach one of the most successful clubs in the world, which also happens to be the #1 public enemy of FC Barcelona in Spain? If Pochettino was from Norway or Indonesia, I could understand if he had grown up with the Premier League as a reference. But an Argentine is used to idols such as Maradona, Di Stefano, Kempes, Redondo, Ayala, Ruggeri, Simeone, Riquelme, Aimar etc consistently going to the Spanish League, the Spanish League is THE league in Europe, and Real Madrid is THE club in THE league.
And now, please, don't misunderstand me. I'm sure Spurs is a phenomenal club, Levy is a genius of a chairman, the new stadium is going to be wonderful and the project is exhilarating, but quite honestly, both choices are like night and day.
The safest pair of hands would be Allegri, he won at Milan, hit the club’s historical ceiling at Juve and is ready for a monster club.
I've already said (and it's obvious): to see if RM lost the CL final and if Zidane was sacked as a result. The obvious benefit in doing so (with zero disbenefit) - if you want the RM job - is that it makes it much easier and much less expensive for RM to poach you.
Of course he wouldn't know for sure that Zidane would be sacked if they lost the final, but he'd know there'd be a good chance of it. And he'd lose nothing by waiting a few days to find out.
There is no logic to your argument and plenty of logic to mine.
I can't comprehend people saying he must not leave for Madrid because the expectations might be too high and there's a lot of work to be done etc, but still want him to come to United.
We might have fallen off over the last few years but the expectations at the club and pressure is massive here too.
I think he should take the plunge. It's Real Madrid. They have won more silverware in the last 3 years than Spurs have done in the last 30. And being fired from Real doesn't harm you from getting top jobs thereafter. Capello, Heynckes, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Del Bosque etc
We might have fallen off over the last few years but the expectations at the club and pressure is massive here too.
I think he should take the plunge. It's Real Madrid. They have won more silverware in the last 3 years than Spurs have done in the last 30. And being fired from Real doesn't harm you from getting top jobs thereafter. Capello, Heynckes, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Del Bosque etc
Too big of a job for Pochettino and I dont think he has the pedigree yet.
Pochettino's 'my way or the highway' works with young players, im not sure it will work with global superstars, much easier to replace a manager than an upset dressing room of mega bucks players.
Pochettino's 'my way or the highway' works with young players, im not sure it will work with global superstars, much easier to replace a manager than an upset dressing room of mega bucks players.
I thought I was following a series of comments on Poch. Im guessing no...oops!
I wonder how you are going to row back on this statement when Poch is still with Spurs as the new season kicks off? I shall watch with interest.
If Real come in for him it's hard to see him not wanting to go.
That said, I wouldn't worry too much. Levy's first choice when they ended up with Poch is now available. New stadium and the world's best foundations. It couldn't possibly go wrong!
You have absolutely no knowledge of him being sacked if they lose though, pure speculation - so why say it like it’s a fact. Even with a loss, it’s 2/3 and a pretty spectacular run. Poch signed a deal most likely because he thought Zidane was going to stay on and he didn’t want to wait it out and earn less money - the last sentence resting entirely on the notion of Poch wanting to go to Real, which I think he’s afraid of.
Pochettino is 46 years old and he knows a manager never stays at Real for a long time, and let’s face it, every manager longs for stability and the dream of staying «forever». Never works like that for anyone but Sir Alex and Ferguson of course, but you know what I mean. Poch could do well and still be fired within two seasons, which would give him a tainted reputation especially as he has never won a trophy in his entire career.
I wonder if Zidane let Poch know he was leaving, before the latter signed his (not so lucrative) contract with the third biggest club in London.
There was no chance of zidane being sacked. There was no indication of zidane being sacked. You're using pure speculation and guesswork as a basis for your argument rather than actual facts.
Whether poch wants to go to madrid or not is up for debate, but using the fact that he signed a new contract before the CL final is bollocks. That has no indication about his future desires.
Juve and Milan are monster clubs. But yes, I think he'd be perfect for Madrid. He's won enough to earn the respect of the dressing room, he's pragmatic enough to make necessary changes and he's shown he's great at keeping the motivation very high in a group full of winners. I think with better players he'd be able to play a more proactive style of football but Madrid have hired Benitez, Mourinho, Capello, etc. so they're not opposed to hiring a more defensive manager.
He seems very calm and sensible like Zidane and I think he'd get along with the leaders of that Madrid squad.
That’s sad and probably true, you’d grind this thread for hours and post logs from everyone dumb enough to challenge your tedious internet battle. And nobody would care whatsoever.
Perfect for us really. If Poch goes to Madrid, we can see how he does at a giant club and he obviously won’t hang around Madrid for ages (see their history of managers), and we snap him up post-Jose. Makes it easier if anything for us.
The problem is, a manager doesn't necessarily choose when it's the right moment to go to Real Madrid. There is a saying in Spain which goes "the Madrid train only passes once in a lifetime". Maybe for people like Mourinho when he was at Inter or Capello years ago that's not accurate, but those are the exceptions rather than the rule, as they were seen as the top of the crop, the upgrades of upgrades, the best of the best.
So, under this perspective coaches have to face the dilemma, which is not really a dilemma
Now, I'd ask you to forget that I am a Madrid fan for a while, please. Try to imagine I support IFK Goteborg in Sweden or Sampdoria in Italy. And by that I mean, try not to imagine I am a Madrid fanatic and look at my opinion rather than what I am.
What's so mental about an Argentinian manager that played and coached for most of his career in the #1 public enemy club of FC Barcelona in Catalonia, looking forward to coach one of the most successful clubs in the world, which also happens to be the #1 public enemy of FC Barcelona in Spain? If Pochettino was from Norway or Indonesia, I could understand if he had grown up with the Premier League as a reference. But an Argentine is used to idols such as Maradona, Di Stefano, Kempes, Redondo, Ayala, Ruggeri, Simeone, Riquelme, Aimar etc consistently going to the Spanish League, the Spanish League is THE league in Europe, and Real Madrid is THE club in THE league.
And now, please, don't misunderstand me. I'm sure Spurs is a phenomenal club, Levy is a genius of a chairman, the new stadium is going to be wonderful and the project is exhilarating, but quite honestly, both choices are like night and day.
This is what people who don't think it can happen are underestimating. The pull of RM to Latin Americans is absolute.
Good for Pochettino. He can finally add trophies to his cv and silence his critics only complaint about him. Eitherway, with this news if it comes to fruition m, there is doubt it means that one of Kane or Ali is heading to Madrid.
Perhaps Zidane can come replace Mourinho at United and take up a real challenge.
Perhaps Zidane can come replace Mourinho at United and take up a real challenge.
I was talking about Wenger.