Fergie was the one on the grassy knoll.
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Most likely because Scholes knows that Mourinho comes then no job for Giggs.
Or, maybe, LvG deserves criticism. But Scholes recognises that in spite of his failings, he also deserves time to turn it around.
Some of the conspiracies being concocted are insane.
Some of the conspiracies being concocted are insane.
Let's hope but the signs aren't encouraging. I don't want to bash Fergie after all he's done for the club but he did elect Moyes as his successor and he has pushed for Giggs to get the job. I think United is too big for any one man to control.
Van Gaal said that last season, I think, before he completely lost his marbles.
I just want the Swansea game to hurry the feck up. He didn't have a great deal of time between the Stoke and Chelsea game to change us, but we did improve - even if it was a minor one.
Hopefully we'll see a little bit more change in us by then.
Hopefully we'll see a little bit more change in us by then.
Glad to hear someone else say it. I was worried for a moment my memory was going
Correct, I love SAF, but the shitstorm that was Moyes was 100% his doing.
New theories will emerge everyday as a result of failing to witness what seems obvious from the outside. i am not reading too much into it.
Anyone who believes anything Red Issue say, I've got a bridge for sale.
Nonsense, since when did SAF become an expert on who should succeed him? If it truly was all down to him to choose his successor (which I doubt), then it was down to the owners and Woodward to do some flipping homework and show some balls and step in and say no.
It was clear to most people he was a bad choice, yet because we are owned and run by people who's main focus is on sponsors then it was no doubt signed off without too much due diligence (as was LvG imo), it's their club not SAF's, and they just took the lazy option imo.
I disagree, SAF lobbied for Moyes and if you look at the members on the board...non of them know a thing about football. .. Who was going to disagree with SAF? There were far more suitable candidates out there.
If you think that Moyes was not primarily saf's doing then we can just agree to disagree.
I'm not saying he wasn't recommended by SAF, he clearly was, but it's down to the Glazer's to have something in place to tell them that it was an extremely bad idea, they didn't clearly and that's their fault.
To blame SAF for this is ridiculous, he should never have been allowed to choose his successor, I'm quite sure he probably didn't even want to (if indeed he did), yet because we are run by non footballing people he felt obliged/was asked, it's not like Woodward has done any better with LvG anyway.[/QUOTE]
Sell the bridge to someone, but just get the delivery drivers to pass it from van to van without the bridge ever actually reaching its destination.
A lot of managers post Busby's retirement blamed Sir Matt of having such an influence post retirement that it hindered them.
I can see why Sir Alex remaining on the board could be problematic. It's hard to let go, especially when you have your own ways and trust them.
Imo, we should have put Fergie in an ambassadorial role, not a decision making one.
The glazers would never go against a footballing decision made by SAF...Who is the greatest manger in the game IMO. I think sir Bobby and SAF are the only two members on the board that know anything about football.
I am not blaming SAF solely, he made a bad decision out of sentimentality but the glazers green lighted that decision and the buck stops with them. The glazers are in way over their head...as is Woodward football wise. They are great businessmen but I believe a lot of problems in our club are due to their ineptness. If they think we can continuously not win anything and the money will keep rolling in they are sadly mistaken, but by the time that happens it may be too late and we will be sliding right into Liverpool territory.
I think the main reason for LvGs misfortune is that he has a poor attack. He thought to much about Rooney. He thought to much about Memphis. If he had been really clever, he would have get us at least one great player who could score goals. Young Martial was never meant to be our main man, though now he is.
If LvG can get the right players now, he could turn things around. I do think its to late though.
If LvG can get the right players now, he could turn things around. I do think its to late though.
We can agree on that, if they just dug a little deeper, or got someone in with a footballing brain who was capable, then with both Moyes and LvG they would have seen they were the wrong men, the first for too many reasons to list, the second because I believe they just went for the only big name they could get, rather than actually think if his 'philosophy' was right for United, it could have just as easily been Capello, or Ancelotti, just as long as it was big name.
They got through the dangerous years with their leveraged buyout because of SAF, and now things are rosy finance wise they are making some awful decisions because we have lost the master who was holding all together, imagine what SAF could have done with all this money to spend.
The whole situation is quite farcical really. Wouldn't surprise me if the bit about Fergie ws true. Rock Of Gibraltar and all that
I believe we are on the same page my friend....and all roads seem to lead to us appointing a DOF, but who is going to suggest that to the glazers? Certainly not Woodward, who seems to be a giddy little fool who is not self aware in the least...but then again most CEO's are kinda like that.
If SAF wants some power back he should suggest a DOF at the next board meeting and throw his hat in the ring.
If SAF wanted power, he'd still be manager.
Liverpool won didn't they? Jesus.
As if anyone still needs a reason to justify sacking LVG for our poor results, just look at the table.
There are now 4 teams (Liverpool, West Ham, Watford and Stoke) who can move past this weekend. If we lose to Swansea we are looking at a possible drop to 10th place.
Edit: If we win we can move past Crystal Palace onto 5th place, that's it.
come on. surely we can eek out a point.
Those theories are properly mental.
Except for the Mr. Burns one.
Except for the Mr. Burns one.
van Gaal may now want to play a more expansive style of football and possibly take the odd risk but we're not set up up to play that way
Our transfer policy and the players we've sold means we're resigned to play our static/possession based football until at least the summer transfer window
I don't think we can just flick the switch and expect things to improve drastically - we're absolutely appalling at creating space and chances with our current squad - but we can always hope
Our transfer policy and the players we've sold means we're resigned to play our static/possession based football until at least the summer transfer window
I don't think we can just flick the switch and expect things to improve drastically - we're absolutely appalling at creating space and chances with our current squad - but we can always hope
Every cloud. Jesus.
Our run of form has been unacceptable as of late but there's some serious revisionism going on here. I've seen quite a few posts saying that they'd have preferred Moyes, or Moyes was better or that at least Moyes showed passion. Let's not forget that this place was twice as bad in early 2014.
So after beating Watford we were top for a while and heading to Leicester the following week as the highest team of all of last seasons top 10. We were top of our group in Europe needing only one more win. Even then Van Gaal was getting stick for the style of Football.
We have not won since - have now dropped to level on points with LIVERPOOL, who we were miles ahead of. We never got that win in the Champions League, against 2 decent, but not exactly world beating teams. The style of football has obviously remained dogshit.
Yet the manager is still in a job because we hit the post against Chelsea instead of getting pumped, just because they are even worse than we are.
Nice one, we are a really well run club. (SARCASM)
I honestly thought it would be a disgrace if we didn't challenge for the league this year. We spent millions to finish top 4 and millions more should enable us to challenge for the league. It's not exactly the argument from 2005, where we were put down to 3rd because of the Arsenal team who were defending their invincible crown, and an unreal Chelsea team - the top teams this year are nothing special.
So, after considering all that, instead of not challenging for the league, not even being put down to 3rd/4th - we are into another dogfight for the top 4 languishing in 6th and it looks less likely with every touch under this manager we will even stay there. It is honestly one of the biggest disgraces ever he even lasted past the Norwich game, let alone 2 more winless and goaless games! It has become so much of a farce this place is in some kind of despair that has gone beyond anger, to crazy conspiracy theories as to what the feck is going on.
And I am one of the more positive people, who thinks United could get back into challenging for the league if they get a GOOD manager in and buy an extra attacker (Van Gaal decided to sell 5 attacking players and replace them with 2 young unproven talents).
Yet with every game the board are allowing us to fall further down the table, and making it more and more likely another season is a write off - because we hit the post against Chelsea, eh?
I have been a United fan all my life and invested so much time into it being the biggest hobby of mine, and this will never end no matter what. Watching the game against Chelsea, it was just impossible for me not to want them to score even though it would keep VG in a job. However, if you were to offer me a loss against Swansea and Van Gaal leaves, or 3 points and he stays - I would honestly take the former.
We have not won since - have now dropped to level on points with LIVERPOOL, who we were miles ahead of. We never got that win in the Champions League, against 2 decent, but not exactly world beating teams. The style of football has obviously remained dogshit.
Yet the manager is still in a job because we hit the post against Chelsea instead of getting pumped, just because they are even worse than we are.
Nice one, we are a really well run club. (SARCASM)
I honestly thought it would be a disgrace if we didn't challenge for the league this year. We spent millions to finish top 4 and millions more should enable us to challenge for the league. It's not exactly the argument from 2005, where we were put down to 3rd because of the Arsenal team who were defending their invincible crown, and an unreal Chelsea team - the top teams this year are nothing special.
So, after considering all that, instead of not challenging for the league, not even being put down to 3rd/4th - we are into another dogfight for the top 4 languishing in 6th and it looks less likely with every touch under this manager we will even stay there. It is honestly one of the biggest disgraces ever he even lasted past the Norwich game, let alone 2 more winless and goaless games! It has become so much of a farce this place is in some kind of despair that has gone beyond anger, to crazy conspiracy theories as to what the feck is going on.
And I am one of the more positive people, who thinks United could get back into challenging for the league if they get a GOOD manager in and buy an extra attacker (Van Gaal decided to sell 5 attacking players and replace them with 2 young unproven talents).
Yet with every game the board are allowing us to fall further down the table, and making it more and more likely another season is a write off - because we hit the post against Chelsea, eh?
I have been a United fan all my life and invested so much time into it being the biggest hobby of mine, and this will never end no matter what. Watching the game against Chelsea, it was just impossible for me not to want them to score even though it would keep VG in a job. However, if you were to offer me a loss against Swansea and Van Gaal leaves, or 3 points and he stays - I would honestly take the former.
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I wouldn't rather have Moyes, as such, but our current season is comfortably worse than Moyes' was at this stage. I don't even mean that in a revisionist sense either: LVG has less points than Moyes did (30 vs 34) at the halfway point, has a side somehow scoring less goals, and we're also out of the CL. I'd argued that LVG had made some developments, despite his flaws, but he's somehow managed to regress us to a level that's arguably even worse than that of which Moyes had us at.
We only managed to pickup TWO PL points in December.
Yet Van Gaal manages to keep his job.
18) Newcastle picked up 7 points
19) Sunderland picked up 0 points
20) Aston Villa picked up 3 points
Yet Van Gaal manages to keep his job.
18) Newcastle picked up 7 points
19) Sunderland picked up 0 points
20) Aston Villa picked up 3 points
There was an inevitability when City and Liverpool strolled into OT and beat us 3-0 under Moyes. We've lost a few games but it hasn't gotten that bad yet. We might be expecting bore draws but we're not resigned to getting thumped by those two before a game even starts yet.
It really is a disgrace but I still hope that the only reason why we didnt sack him is that we still didnt find a manager or are still deciding whether to keep giggs or sack him as well but I wouldnt mind naming him the interim manager again or actually warren Joyce who we wouldn't have any worries to force to step down from the position when appointing a new manager in the summer. I wouldn't mind Pardew, but please sack that clown! I would only wait for someone like Pochettino at the end of the season, who is obviously unreachable at this time..
Instead we expect to get beaten by stoke and norwich.
I only expected us to get beat by Stoke to be honest
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