I read van Gaal's second season at Bayern described as tiki taka but 10 times more boring. Is that how you saw it?
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I read van Gaal's second season at Bayern described as tiki taka but 10 times more boring. Is that how you saw it?
Yeah, it was horrible to watch. Even small teams could make us look like a bunch of clueless passing robots. If they doubled up on Robben and Ribery, we were done and created feck all all game. I'd argue it was similar at his first Barca spell, where the team was completely dependent on Rivaldo creating something on his own, just like we were with Robben.
Who is that Clark Whitney guy? Are you sure he knows what he's talking about?
I also love twitter comments, take a single sentence completely out of context and make it look like you have actually presented something meaningful. It's clearly the worst platform to use to prove a point ever.He's a avid follower of the Bundesliga and in my opinion has very good knowledge on the subject. There's also many other Bayern fans who feel the same way about Guardiola.Yeah, it was horrible to watch. Even small teams could make us look like a bunch of clueless passing robots. If they doubled up on Robben and Ribery, we were done and created feck all all game. I'd argue it was similar at his first Barca spell, where the team was completely dependent on Rivaldo creating something on his own, just like we were with Robben.
Who is that Clark Whitney guy? Are you sure he knows what he's talking about?
Adnan, I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. I don't see this Clark Whitney guy, or whatever, as some kind of an expert... Might as well use your own words.
He clearly doesn't know a lot about the Bundesliga, the 3 tweets you posted already show that. And why do you want to turn this thread into a Bayern fans don't like Guardiola thread? That's insane (and as much true as the stupid 'Bayern fans turn on Götze' discussion I had 2 weeks ago). Again, why do people want to belittle Guardiola to hype up van Gaal? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense?
You have a manager now who loves possession football, deal with it. Yeah, maybe Guardiola is slightly more extreme in his approach, maybe not. It doesn't change that your team is going a similar direction and if you don't like that style of football in general, well, bad luck.
Generally Guardiola has had a lot of praise, too much in my opinion. It's fair to compare his style to Van Gaal because they share the origin, but it's not right to ignore the differences. Actually Guardiola's style gets less boring when they play a team *** loves to sit back and isn't forced to, because then Guardiola's team gets impatient.
What Van Gaal calls his philosophy is actually more than just a style of football, but has also to do with preparation, team spirit and development of the individual player. But you're right there's a difference between general tactics/style of football, and match tacticst.
He's been very outspoken about not changing his general tactics/style of football, "They'll have to sack me" he said. Beckenbauer has said that the players should shoot from distance more often (Cruijff: If you don't shoot you can't score), but Guardiola said he wasn't gonna change.
It's going in the same direction, but it will end up quite different. Between 60% and 80% posession there's a lot of room for shooting and dribbling and trying difficult passing.
*sigh* If only people actually listened, read or watched original footage from interviews instead of spending so much time to argue about single phrases taken out of context, even worse after questionable translations into a different language.
I've said it before, the difference is the pressing, how quickly you win back the ball, not how often you lose the ball or take risks. If you think you can use the possession stats and draw conclusions about how often teams try to make something happen, then you'll obviously get the wrong impression, which is quite clearly the case here. I doubt you find a single Bayern fan who will tell you that for example Ribery (fits, because you brought him up earlier) was allowed to express himself as freely under van Gaal as he is now under Guardiola. Everything you criticise about Guardiola now were main reasons, why Ribery hated playing under van Gaal.
Didn't know we had a new manager already?
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Apparently not too much like SAF according to Alardyce, speaking in the London Evening Standard yesterday, who was a bit miffed he couldn't get pissed with LvG after the game. No wine no more rolling over was the sentiment!
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Why are you spamming tweets about Pep in a thread about LVG? This isn't the twitter discussion thread, especially not the off-topic one.
Why are you spamming tweets about Pep in a thread about LVG? This isn't the twitter discussion thread, especially not the off-topic one.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ted-game-says-disappointed-Sam-Allardyce.html
Big Sam isn't happy he wasn't offered a drink by Louis Van Gaal.
Big Sam isn't happy he wasn't offered a drink by Louis Van Gaal.
The proliferation of Daily Mail links on this site is getting out of hand.
What a sad bastard.
It does seem to be the preferred newspaper of most caftards.
It's more that their M.O is click bait nonsense. Half a quote makes a whole new article, add some conjecture and 15 tenuously connected photos and hey presto! It's a story! Caftards are just falling for it.
Yes, click bait crap posted as links so more people click on it!
If you are going to post something from a shit paper, at least copy it and post it in quote tags so they don't get more hits!
I imagine it must be a hassle copying and pasting from that site with all the photos and captions and subheads and the rest of it.
Or this:
https://archive.today/l2JxZ (Ladyman: Injuries, how do they work?)
https://archive.today/GTXLR (Big Sam reminiscing about Animal House)
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Managers who can't score against 10 men don't deserve a drink.
Cutting down on the booze might get his weight down. LvG just thinking about Big Sam's health.
So he went to the place where SAF usually waits for him, despite actually not getting an invitation this time? Can only blame himself!Anyway, we have already noticed LvG not going to managers himself this season and instead them coming to him after games for hand shake. He'll probably only invite Mourinho, Pellegrini and Wenger, as long as he doesn't invite Rodgers I couldn't care less
Daily Mail is a terrible tabloid rag and it's best that people get their football news from websites that aren't fronted by gossip columnists.
Wenger doesn't invite other managers in for a drink after games does he? It seems to be a British thing. Not sure foreign managers are as obsessed by the social side of the game.
Anyway, we have already noticed LvG not going to managers himself this season and instead them coming to him after games for hand shake. He'll probably only invite Mourinho, Pellegrini and Wenger, as long as he doesn't invite Rodgers I couldn't care less
Awesome, the line between real life Big Sam and his parody @BigSam gets ever more blurred.
All that's missing is a furious cry-wank to try and work through his post-Fergie bereavement issues.
All that's missing is a furious cry-wank to try and work through his post-Fergie bereavement issues.
He could have stayed and learned something.
His interviews with Stewart Gardner on MUTV are brilliant. He opens up a great deal more which is good to see.
It wouldn't take long to analyse Big Sam.
Imagine how much Big Sam was actually looking forward to that glass of wine to complain publicly to the press about it. Ha.
Somebody should take this to the Toure's birthday cake level with tweets and photoshops.
I've been reading a lot about how he wants one left footed CB and one right footed CB. While I still think it's silly, I understand why you would want this when there are 3 CBs but when there are 2?
Has he always done this? Seems odd to me.
Has he always done this? Seems odd to me.
I thought this myself so, I tried it on FIFA tonight and I won so, it now has my approval.
Well done Louis, you have passed this test
Building up from the back is very important to him and also as the full backs bomb down the flanks the right sided centre back must cover right back.
That said, Guardiola used two right footed players at Barcelona so surely it's not necessary.
Either way Blind is not really a centre back and we need him DM.
He had Puyol who knows how to defend to the left. I say that because i think that it's the problem, when you try to push the opposition to your flank (from the inside) it's easier to have a left footed player on the left and a right footed on the right because even if they are overlaped they can control the opponent on there strong foot.
But there is a problem if the opposition play threw the middle, between the CBs, because both will be on their weak feet.
I can't remember whether I saw him say it or read it somewhere, but I liked the statement and I didn't notice anything tot doubt it's reliability.
I don't care for self expression, he performed at a higher level under Van Gaal, who he disliked one moment and hugged another, than under Guardiola. It doesn't matter that much if there's pressing high up the pitch or not. But if a team risks loss of posession to make something happen, that of course will have an impact on the posession percentages.
Are we telling fairy-tales now? The way this is going, you soon start claiming that the team overall actually performed better in 2009/10 than in 13/14 just to hype up van Gaal as much as possible.As long as we win, I wouldn't mind "boring possession". In fact, I would welcome it!
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