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My understanding is both Shaw and Herrera were targeted by the club's scouting team for a long time. So I wouldn't class them as Moyes' signings at all.
I won't really disagree with you.
My understanding is both Shaw and Herrera were targeted by the club's scouting team for a long time. So I wouldn't class them as Moyes' signings at all.
Here is more........Quite damning! Especially the video and Vidic part
Can we all just forget moyes and what he did to the team. Can't believe there are still a few defending moyes, a man who managed to piss off so many senior members of the squad. Even our ex captain decided that if that was our future, he needed to feck off.
Chips?What is the story with the chips?!?!
I'm glad Rio isn't at the club anymore. Thanks for the years of success, but he didn't deserve to be on the pitch most games last season. Didn't he make a comment about only needing to put 80% effort on the pitch or something?
Glad most of the troublemakers have been phased out or otherwise relegated to the bench.
It's really impossible to discuss Moyes on here, he almost ruined Colin's life you know.
Kilbane is an idiot. I recall him defending Moyes on Radio Five Live, and his justifications were asinine.
OK leaving Moyes aside and looking merely from a player's perspective:
You are one of the senior players who has been at the club for over a decade and has won everything. You were part of that group who saw Chelsea's money dominating everything but your group still won the PL back. Then you also were part of the group which reached 3 CL finals in 4 years. You were also part of the group which lost the title to your mega rich local rivals in the worst possible way but you still came back to win the title the following year.
Then all of a sudden you have a new manager and as soon as things don't work all those hard work, come-backs, acchievements are forgotten and ppl can't stop questionning you as a player. Whatever the tactic, performance or result, it was always you as player who was questioned by the media and not the manager. The same manager btw who hadn't won anything but had the balls to call you and your group who has had all kind of high and lows "mentally soft". And what are you supposed to do? Not even defend yourself? Just keep your mouth shut? Not tell what really happened?
I am actually shocked that the players kept silent while Moyes was destroying the club for 10 months. It is actually a huge credit to SAF that out of respect of him and his values (which also include not to question the manager) the players (serial winners, not some pub players) didn't speak up for that long.
If I am questioned in my daily life / work I immediately try to clear the issue or defend myself if necessary.
Hell even on an internet forum if I feel misunderstood or attacked I justify myself.
But Rio the player, who was openly questionned by the whole media in order to protect their Scot darling, should not be allowed to tell his story?
Jeez, stuff like that only puts lads and Ferdinand in bad light, not Moyes.
Are there any excerpts of Rio blaming himself or his teammates for the shambolic season?
Yes, everybody has a right to say what they want in their biographies. My problem is not with what has come out, my problem is with who has said it. If Rio hadn't done stuff like leaking line-ups before the game, I wouldn't have a problem with this. That's not the case, is it?
The stuff about practicing set-pieces at the park, about Rio wanting to strangle him or what not, was that really necessary? As much as Moyes is to blame for the shambles of last year, the players aren't lily-white either. Especially senior players like Rio, van Persie, Vidic , etc.
The only players who showed the right attitude despite the results were Rooney, Januzaj and De Gea. If they had come out and said this stuff, fair enough.
David Moyes and Manchester United is done. It's in the past. Neither party gains much by going on and on about it.
Players like Rio Ferdinand, who gave so much to this club, need to understand that. In a couple of years, Rio is going to be all over the pundit circle. Would he prefer that people ask him about the 10 successful seasons he had with us or the one season where everything went wrong?
I still don't get taking training at a local park.
The witch hunt escalates I see.
Can't wait when Moyes will release his book with notes about some Manchester United players and their 'world class' ambitions and reasons why Louie was forced to sell 14 players in his first months here.
To be fair David is hardly a victim here after receiving astronomical money from his departure. He could easily sign Fellaini again from his own pocket.
If you mean Moyes, then yeah it is incredibly damaging. He shouldn't be so picky where he ends up and given the amount of money we gave him, he should go abroad for a bit.He'll end up down in the Championship at this rate, very damaging to his career.
We have real published authors on the Caf', we're a little above Rio's ghost writer.Those statements sounds like someone here ghostwrote it.
Are there any excerpts of Rio blaming himself or his teammates for the shambolic season?
Absolutely. Gotta be 100% objective and also look from player's perspective.Yeah there's no doubt the players have to take the blame which is why Rio got shipped out minutes after the final whistle was blown. That doesn't mean the players like Moyes when he comes round to it should not have the chance to state their story.
Yep that makes Ferdinand come across like G.Neville when he was banging on about the history of United and wingers. Moyes was terrible but there shouldn't of been a problem if he wanted to move away from 'tradition'.The comment about the narrow 4222 is interesting. Sounds like he would have sabotaged Van Gaal too. Getting rid of senior players who aren't open to new ideas is obviously more important than I thought. We're probably well rid of Rio, Evra and Vidic.
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The comment about the narrow 4222 is interesting. Sounds like he would have sabotaged Van Gaal too. Getting rid of senior players who aren't open to new ideas is obviously more important than I thought. We're probably well rid of Rio, Evra and Vidic.
That's going a bit too far. Let's just say the top board underestimated the amount of work that needed to be done, and had faith in Moyes' ability to get the job done.
I was thinking that myself actually. I'm still glad Moyes was sacked and I'm actually quite fond of Rio these days but he comes across as very stubborn and old fashioned there. You have to evolve with the times.
It's the same thing that worries me about Giggs eventually becoming manager one day but that's another discussion I suppose.
What did he do that's so 'unforgiveable'? I see people saying this, yet there's no evidence of anything.
Yep that makes Ferdinand come across like G.Neville when he was banging on about the history of United and wingers. Moyes was terrible but there shouldn't of been a problem if he wanted to move away from 'tradition'.
Yes, everybody has a right to say what they want in their biographies. My problem is not with what has come out, my problem is with who has said it. If Rio hadn't done stuff like leaking line-ups before the game, I wouldn't have a problem with this. That's not the case, is it? The stuff about practicing set-pieces at the park, about Rio wanting to strangle him or what not, was that really necessary? As much as Moyes is to blame for the shambles of last year, the players aren't lily-white either. Especially senior players like Rio, van Persie, Vidic , etc. One would have expected higher standards from them given what they've done for this club, but that's not the case. The only players who showed the right attitude despite the results were Rooney, Januzaj and De Gea. If they had come out and said this stuff, fair enough.
David Moyes and Manchester United is done. It's in the past. Neither party gains much by going on and on about it. Players like Rio Ferdinand, who gave so much to this club, need to understand that. In a couple of years, Rio is going to be all over the pundit circle. Would he prefer that people ask him about the 10 successful seasons he had with us or the one season where everything went wrong?
It's alright....LVG, I think, has brainwashed Giggs with this "philosophy" crap.
I believe in LVG, I love the guy and he can have all the time in the world as far as i'm concerned....However, I hate that word!
Don't feel bad for Moyes. He will be managing Newcastle in a few weeks. Will sign a 6 year deal.
Ferdinand played for Alex Ferguson for over a decade and was made club captain someone with the type of character to achieve those feats would not be so unprofessional to leak his own teams line ups.
The comment about the narrow 4222 is interesting. Sounds like he would have sabotaged Van Gaal too. Getting rid of senior players who aren't open to new ideas is obviously more important than I thought. We're probably well rid of Rio, Evra and Vidic.
The biggest problem was he moved away from the tradition of winning. I'm sure the players could accept change if it isn't negative.Yep that makes Ferdinand come across like G.Neville when he was banging on about the history of United and wingers. Moyes was terrible but there shouldn't of been a problem if he wanted to move away from 'tradition'.