Rio hits out at Moyes

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So nothing new here. We all know Moyes was a wrong choice, so why go on about it? Call me cynical, this seems to be an attempt by Rio to keep the attention on himself for some time. This, him leaking line-ups last year, Rio doesn't come out of this looking good IMO. I mean, why can't everybody who was there last season just say "We were poor". End of story.
 

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I can understand the players want to tell the outside world how it felt like and what went wrong with them but also with the manager.
 

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So nothing new here. We all know Moyes was a wrong choice, so why go on about it? Call me cynical, this seems to be an attempt by Rio to keep the attention on himself for some time. This, him leaking line-ups last year, Rio doesn't come out of this looking good IMO. I mean, why can't everybody who was there last season just say "We were poor". End of story.
That's an extremely negative slant. Rio's just stating his opinions. Everyone has a right to that, especially in their biographies. Because of him scrubs like us are getting a behind closed doors peak into the state of affairs last season. Everything doesn't have to be PR-rated and vanilla all the time.
 

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I do feel like current and ex-players should really keep the sanctity of the club a priority. Yes, there are successes and failures; there are highs and lows; brilliances and absurdities, but in all that, I do feel like it's better not to hear these things. We are, for all intents now, a business and public image means a hell of a lot. Not only that, but professionally speaking it doesn't represent good character for someone to make money off the back of bringing to light an internal division. You might say that Moyes acted unprofessionally in a manner of different things, but how is needless gossip (that's what it is) a positive trait?
 

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By that assertion, the only players that can speak out about Moyes are DDG and Adnan... and Rooney, but he can only tell half a story before the book bounces off him and falls 5 yards away.
And that's how it should be. Everybody knows Moyes was garbage, but if you're not doing your job either, then who are you to call somebody else out? Rio was once a world class defender, possibly even considered the best at some point in his career, he should've been one of the guys stepping up and trying to make it work either way. That's what you expect from a veteran leader. Ironically, that's what Rooney, who receives a lot of criticism, did and many other veterans didn't do.
 

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Im just so glad the club acted quick on this one and gave Big Dave his P45, I was really preparing myself of 3 years of getting to the By-line and dreading games against relegation candidates at home, it really is such a relief hes gone, I can not think of even one redeeming quality of his tenure that would of required us to give him another couple of seasons to build on, the fact that LVG just commands respect and seems like such a leader of men already gives me more hope than I ever had in Moyes

Also didnt Moyes get the sack a couple of hours after returning home from Munich? maybe his public training sessions were his final straw
Me too. I was really afraid of what DM would have done with the transfer cash if he'd stayed (which it looked like he was going to). I was over the moon when I heard he was going. Genuinely happy, as the club had obviously taken a hit when SAF retired, then it took a hit when his staff was cleared out, it took a hit with Woodward took over from Gill and the confidence of the players was also decimated. Under DM, I think we were 3 or 4 seasons off Championship football. Honestly. Deja vu all over again. Of course, the slide that far would have been stopped by the club & DM would have eventually got a P45 - but for me, just the fact that the club acted swiftly to dismiss him was a sign that the club wasn't weighed down with hubris.

Not that interested in Rios book tbh. Too soon to be putting the boot into his old employers, couldn't he wait 'til retirement, which is surely only a season away?! Focus on playing football for 'Arry?
 

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Did Rio think he'd come out of this looking well?

If you care more about having chips before a game than you do about the club and our fans then I'm glad to see the back of him. Chips :lol:, they're grown men, professional athletes on £100k a week and they act like children.
 

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Oh dear! Not surprised at all, can't wait to hear more. Also from Vidic and Evra.

I mean how just how can you as Champions not even qualify for Europa League? Anyway, good for us and good for Everton too, actually that he'll never ever manage us/them again!
It is simple really, the squad moyes took over, it's lifespan came to an end in 2011, and some how fergie got all he could out of a squad with way too many problems. No way could the club get away with it again with the squad fergie left to the next manager, especially it is someone like moyes, even van gaal could not work with a squad that moyes inherited, it needed big changes

You factor in the clubs transfer policy is very different then to now, that era is like a totally different world to what we see now, and the club never got up to speed when moyes took over, which cost us big time.

The evidence of the squad needing an overhaul came to light in the last week of the transfer window, and all of Ferdinand Vidic Evra Cleverley kagwa Zaha giggs Hernandez and welbeck all left retired or sent on loan, and more will follow suit next summer. So while moyes did a horrid job, let's not forget the problems moyes faced with a squad, too programmed under fergie, and the squad truly hit it's breaking point in 2013/14 season
 

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Think of it like this:

Had Moyes stayed, given the cash that has been spent with LVG in charge, do you think Falcao or Di Maria would be playing for us now?

Neither do I.
 

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There's zero concrete evidence to suggest that Ferdinand was the player leaking line ups, so people would do well to stop writing that as if it's a certainty.

I'm happy to see Moyes shredded. Many corners suggest he is a cold man and his public persona seems to suggest he suffers from self-delusion and downright bizarre behaviour. He probably read that park idea in a book of his.

As for Rio's form, another criticism I've read. He was finished. His inability to move was stifling our unit the season before that, too, irrespective of that largely meaningless place in the TOTY. So I'm struggling to criticise a finished player too much for, you know, playing as if he's finished.

Moyes is a major beneficiary of friends in the media. He uses his contacts well, and he'll do so again in the near future I'm sure. Ferdinand is merely offering a player perspective of last season's mess, and we've yet to have that. I believe it, personally, and am quite content to see it played out publicly. Perhaps it might reduce the size of Dave's ego just a tad.
 

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Think of it like this:

Had Moyes stayed, given the cash that has been spent with LVG in charge, do you think Falcao or Di Maria would be playing for us now?

Neither do I.
Yes they would.
 

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His book will go some way to explaining why he didn't.
Fine line between player power going wrong and a manager just not being good enough to get even a minimum level of performance out of players and I think that was the case last year.
Moyes not good enough and less experienced in most situations than the players he was not just trying to coach, but convince his ways were better than what they knew.
Anyway, I digress. I'm all for hearing as much as possible about last year.
Saf built up united for 20 + years and moyes, admittedly picked by saf, almost wrecked it and certainly put it back some way in just 10 months.
So out of his depth and did so much wrong. A lesson not just for us but clubs worldwide.
What happened was disgraceful and only a bit of perspective stops me calling it a scandal. One day it will be a film. If anyone who experienced it first hand can shed light on what happened and why, we deserve to know.



And that's how it should be. Everybody knows Moyes was garbage, but if you're not doing your job either, then who are you to call somebody else out? Rio was once a world class defender, possibly even considered the best at some point in his career, he should've been one of the guys stepping up and trying to make it work either way. That's what you expect from a veteran leader. Ironically, that's what Rooney, who receives a lot of criticism, did and many other veterans didn't do.
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Rio doesn't come out of this well. Moyes' biggest problem was that certain players weren't interested in playing for or listening to him, and it was already obvious Rio was one of them. That's probably why he's playing for the worst team in the league now when we're lacking in defensive options.
No, it's because he's 35 and well past his best. Seriously.
 

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If Rooney, Januzaj or De Gea criticized Moyes that's one thing. Rio had a complete shocker of a season and it seems like he's just blaming it all on Moyes. If he'd played against Bayern we'd have lost 4-0
 

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There's zero concrete evidence to suggest that Ferdinand was the player leaking line ups, so people would do well to stop writing that as if it's a certainty.
Whenever lineups were leaked either Rio was not starting a game or was dropped completely from the squad. Timing and situation of leak suggest it was most likely Rio doing it.
 

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I don't think Moyes is a bad manager, just not right for a club likes ours. He's come here and try to instill what's worked for him at Everton to a club like ours and perhaps he, himself, was overawed by it. Certainly seems like it going by what Rio says, especially about avoiding confrontation.

Obviously his methods have worked for some players. You look at some of the players he brought into Everton from lower leagues + teams and what they've gone on to do.

Just didn't work for players with a bigger reputation than himself.
 

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Whenever lineups were leaked either Rio was not starting a game or was dropped completely from the squad. Timing and situation of leak suggest it was most likely Rio doing it.
Yet it was reported by a creditable journalist, can't remember who but I'm going to say Ladyman or Ducker, that it was one of the younger members of the squad doing that leaking. That could be a cover, of course, and I'm not ruling Rio out of it, but we can't talk as if it's a certainty, which some posters seem to be indicating.
 

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Yes they would.
Cmon, really? You honestly believe they would have played for him? I can't see it. United were going the wrong way in terms of playing style. Ferdinand confirms this in his book. I think United had to get rid of him because his style was what was wrong and what was losing him the players. We have escaped a nuclear winter by getting rid of Moyes.
 

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I'm a bit torn about this book really. Obviously I want to know what happened behind the scenes. Last season, for the wrong reasons, will go down as one of the most famous in our history.

However I don't really want to see muck chucked all over the place. Moyes was, frankly, inadequate. But he wasn't a bad person, he didn't do anything wrong outside of football matters. His tactics were obviously crap and he didn't get on with the players - that much is obvious - but a character assassination isn't needed.
 

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Think of it like this:

Had Moyes stayed, given the cash that has been spent with LVG in charge, do you think Falcao or Di Maria would be playing for us now?

Neither do I.
I honestly think players don't really give a f*ck who the manager is or the history of the team, they'll go where the money is.

It's no coincidence that Chelsea had players like Essien turning us down to go there after they came into money. Robinho didn't even seem to know what club he'd signed for in the Prem, just knew he was getting a huge contract. Falcao to Monaco, Eto'o to Anzhi etc.

Another question is would we have financially backed Moyes as strongly as we've backed LVG?
 

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Think of it like this:

Had Moyes stayed, given the cash that has been spent with LVG in charge, do you think Falcao or Di Maria would be playing for us now?

Neither do I.
I am just glad we didn't have to find out. Let's just leave it at that.
 

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I'm happy to see Moyes shredded. Many corners suggest he is a cold man and his public persona seems to suggest he suffers from self-delusion and downright bizarre behaviour. He probably read that park idea in a book of his.
This. He has and always will be portrayed to the masses as the wee underdog - good old fashioned Moyes with the integrity and honour you'd want in a man. The truth is that he's far, far different. He's a self-deluded pompous manager with archaic-bordering-on-draconian tactics that he seems to think are efficient and effective. The fact that he publically came out stating how he's sitting on so many offers but is waiting out for CL football is absurd. I don't understand how incorrectly self-confident you can be.
 

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Moyes would have tried to sign Ronaldo and Messi, and ending up with signing Stevie Naismith on deadline day.
 

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I honestly think players don't really give a f*ck who the manager is or the history of the team, they'll go where the money is.

It's no coincidence that Chelsea had players like Essien turning us down to go there after they came into money. Robinho didn't even seem to know what club he'd signed for in the Prem, just knew he was getting a huge contract. Falcao to Monaco, Eto'o to Anzhi etc.

Another question is would we have financially backed Moyes as strongly as we've backed LVG?
Not sure I agree that ALL players go where the money is, Eto excepted. Didn't 3rd party ownership have a lot to do with Falcao heading off to Monaco?

Players want to win. The only reason we got these players is because it is likely that with LVG in charge and with the players brought in since his hiring, we will be back in the CL next year. United is still one of the biggest names in world football. Sure, money helps, but generally speaking, the best players want to win and will go where their opportunity to do so is high.

Or, we were lucky that Perez wanted Di Maria out (thanks you stupid tonto viejo) and that Falcao became available.

I definitely don't think we would have backed Moyes with the amounts LVG has been backed with, but then LVG is a proven winner. Moyes was actually a proven loser.
 

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Yes they would.
Really? You think they'd have been just as happy to come here with him as our manager instead of LvG? No chance.

We'd be looking at a very different set of signings this summer with Moyes still at the helm, absolutely no doubt.
 

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The tactics revelations do no surprise me in the slightest. It was baffling what we were trying to do last season. Each game I was left wondering what our game plan or long term style of football was meant to be. It was an utter mess.

However replacing SAF was always going to be an issue. Rio was complaining about training methods in comparison with SAF. Should Moyes had done the same? These guys were used to the same type of training for years so I think that was always going to be difficult for them to take.

Also, I think it's clear that him and Moyes didn't get along, he's made a big deal about getting dropped. Despite him doing well in the first leg, he was wank all throughout the season, I mean should we have started Buttner too because he excelled in the first leg? Also, not sure what's wrong with the chips thing :lol:
 

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So nothing new here. We all know Moyes was a wrong choice, so why go on about it? Call me cynical, this seems to be an attempt by Rio to keep the attention on himself for some time. This, him leaking line-ups last year, Rio doesn't come out of this looking good IMO. I mean, why can't everybody who was there last season just say "We were poor". End of story.
Because we already know they were poor but who/what were the main reasons behind that is not fully clear.
 

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Really? You think they'd have been just as happy to come here with him as our manager instead of LvG? No chance.

We'd be looking at a very different set of signings this summer with Moyes still at the helm, absolutely no doubt.
Moyes knew who he wanted, Herrera, Shaw were more or less signed by him, there was a strong rumour that Kross was ready to sign, plus a few other 'top' players.
In truth it makes no difference who Moyes signed, negative tactics bring negative results, watching a player like Di Maria under Moyes would be frustrating as feck.
 

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To this day i still find it baffling that there are still posters who are feeling sorry for Moyes, he's a good man just not good enough, let's not kick a man when he's down blab fecking blab.

This Moyes almost single-handedly destroyed us in less than a season, alienate our best players, knocked us out of CL, 7th in the league, got our asses kicked by our most hated rivals (citeh and liverpool) home and away, sacked the coaches and bring in his equally inept coaching team.. and i still hear posters criticising Ferdinand about not classy, don't wash dirty linen in public etc.

I am not a very big fan of Rio, never really took to him at all despite him being a world class defender in his prime, but Ferdinand did more for Man Utd than Moyes ever fecking did. So those people who were criticizing Ferdinand, get some perspective please.

I want as much dirt and mud sling at Moyes as possible, especially from players as they experienced first-hand how ridiculous inept he is.
 

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I'm a bit torn about this book really. Obviously I want to know what happened behind the scenes. Last season, for the wrong reasons, will go down as one of the most famous in our history.

However I don't really want to see muck chucked all over the place. Moyes was, frankly, inadequate. But he wasn't a bad person, he didn't do anything wrong outside of football matters. His tactics were obviously crap and he didn't get on with the players - that much is obvious - but a character assassination isn't needed.
Indeed. He was simply not good enough, and I'm glad he's gone but I hope this and other players accounts don't ruin his career. He's a good, hard working football man.
 

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Cmon, really? You honestly believe they would have played for him? I can't see it. United were going the wrong way in terms of playing style. Ferdinand confirms this in his book. I think United had to get rid of him because his style was what was wrong and what was losing him the players. We have escaped a nuclear winter by getting rid of Moyes.
Doubtful.
No they wouldn't
Really? You think they'd have been just as happy to come here with him as our manager instead of LvG? No chance.

We'd be looking at a very different set of signings this summer with Moyes still at the helm, absolutely no doubt.

If Moyes wanted these players we would get them. Agents and players think about there bank balance . Di Maria would have easily gone to PSG if the Financial Fair Play was not in place. Whether Moyes would have indentified or wanted Di Maria or Falcao is another thing.
 

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Even to this day got to wonder what the feck was Fergie thinking when he appointed this guy... Good thing Woodward didn't listen to the likes of Gary Neville and other "experts" and had the balls to take the best decision for the club.
 

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If Moyes wanted these players we would get them. Agents and players think about there bank balance . Di Maria would have easily gone to PSG if the Financial Fair Play was not in place. Whether Moyes would have indentified or wanted Di Maria or Falcao is another thing.
Money isn't the only thing players care about. Yes there are mercenaries but other factors come into play, like who the manager is and whether a team has a realistic chance of winning things. Berbatov came to us over City for that very reason despite them offering more for him.

It's hard to say for sure whether Moyes would have gotten the likes of Di Maria and Falcao but his draw would have been no where near that of Van Gaal, especially after Moyes' first season with us.
 

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If Moyes wanted these players we would get them. Agents and players think about there bank balance . Di Maria would have easily gone to PSG if the Financial Fair Play was not in place. Whether Moyes would have indentified or wanted Di Maria or Falcao is another thing.
Their bank balance is ONE of the factors they think about. But not ONLY bank balance. I doubt David Moyes could have brought these players in.