Louis van Gaal | Manchester United manager

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I agree with him, but I don't understand why the club hasn't sorted out the unbalanced nature of our squad. We're in a transfer window after all. It's only going to get balanced if we sell what we have too many of, and buy what we lack. That's the only solution, and yet it seems as if we might try and sort this out in the last week of the window.

It's a chin-scratcher.

If we have too many strikers, we can get rid of one of Hernandez/Welbeck.
If we have too many #10s, we can get rid of Kagawa.
If we lack defenders, buy an experienced head who may not mind being on the bench.

Doing nothing will just allow the squad to be unbalanced throughout the whole season. It will indeed be a mirace then for us to win the title.
 
Why are people acting annoyed at LvG after he's been in charge a total of one game?
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I agree with him, but I don't understand why the club hasn't sorted out the unbalanced nature of our squad. We're in a transfer window after all. It's only going to get balanced if we sell what we have too many of, and buy what we lack. That's the only solution, and yet it seems as if we might try and sort this out in the last week of the window.

It's a chin-scratcher.

If we have too many strikers, we can get rid of one of Hernandez/Welbeck.
If we have too many #10s, we can get rid of Kagawa.
If we lack defenders, buy an experienced head who may not mind being on the bench.

Doing nothing will just allow the squad to be unbalanced throughout the whole season. It will indeed be a mirace then for us to win the title.
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Because in the real world, things aren't as easy as that.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Would it have been acceptable for Moyes to say United need a miracle to win the league?
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When Moyes took over we had just walked the league.

We finished 7th last year. Name a side who's finished 7th and won it the year after?
 
That'sHernandez said:
Would it have been acceptable for Moyes to say United need a miracle to win the league?
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Moyes took over a side who's competition wasn't as strong and had 3 extra defenders (4 if you count buttner), giggs and 1 less #10. Van gaal took us over and Carrick is out for 3 months, our whole very thin defence is injured pretty much and we are overloaded with people up top. It's just the plain truth.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Would it have been acceptable for Moyes to say United need a miracle to win the league?
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Careful now.... It suits some fans to blame David Moyes for everything and anything that went wrong last season.. You wouldn't want to compare anything DM did with anything LVG does !
 
Bwuk said:
When Moyes took over we had just walked the league.

We finished 7th last year. Name a side who's finished 7th and won it the year after?
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Right and Van Gaal has inherited the exact squad Moyes had, with additions. Why is it acceptable?
 
Escobar said:
Different circumstances. Plus, you have the feeling that LVG knows what he's doing, while Moyes had no clue until his very last day
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Actually I don't. I have the feeling LVG will blindly follow a rigid system that doesn't suit the players he has at his disposal and he will dismantle the squad to meet his requirements, leaving it in tatters upon his departure.

Edit: further to this I think LVG is a blatant egomaniac and does things for plaudits eg the bizarre fellaini sub. Had it worked he would have taken the praise like he did with the Krul sub in the WC. Because it failed, he has continued blame the squad. Like Moyes.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Actually I don't. I have the feeling LVG will blindly follow a rigid system that doesn't suit the players he has at his disposal and he will dismantle the squad to meet his requirements, leaving it in tatters upon his departure.
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We shall see. Too early to say but the past success and experience speaks for LVG. He's a winner no doubt and I believe he will win at Utd as well
 
That'sHernandez said:
Right and Van Gaal has inherited the exact squad Moyes had, with additions. Why is it acceptable?
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Minus Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, a whole host of staff, a team low on confidence, new contracts and wasted wages on the likes of Fellaini, Nani, Rooney etc.

We are in a far worse position than we were when Ferguson left.
 
Bwuk said:
Minus Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, a whole host of staff, a team low on confidence, new contracts and wasted wages on the likes of Fellaini, Nani, Rooney etc.

We are in a far worse position than we were when Ferguson left.
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Most people on here were saying Rio and Vida were past it on here. Vida hadn't been the same since his cruciate injury vs Otelul Galati. Evra has been a liability in defence for the past four seasons.
 
bosnian_red said:
Moyes took over a side who's competition wasn't as strong and had 3 extra defenders (4 if you count buttner), giggs and 1 less #10. Van gaal took us over and Carrick is out for 3 months, our whole very thin defence is injured pretty much and we are overloaded with people up top. It's just the plain truth.
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It's practically the same squad, you're rewriting history to justify your LVG love-in. Carrick was injured last season too, and he's only going to be out for the first month of this season, as three months was announced in the middle of the off-season. If it's the plain truth, these frailties were there when he was in charge, why was he slated for banging on about them? LVG hasn't said anything overly different to Moyes, he's just said it more convincingly and he doesn't have the Fergie era hanging directly over him.
 
That'sHernandez said:
It's practically the same squad, you're rewriting history to justify your LVG love-in. Carrick was injured last season too, and he's only going to be out for the first month of this season, as three months was announced in the middle of the off-season. If it's the plain truth, these frailties were there when he was in charge, why was he slated for banging on about them? LVG hasn't said anything overly different to Moyes, he's just said it more convincingly and he doesn't have the Fergie era hanging directly over him.
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It's a hell of a lot of experience out the door with no depth in defence, that's the difference. It's also different when a manager wants to instil a completely new play style and do a complete rebuild. Fergie was the only manager who could challenge while rebuilding and in a transition phase. His last season he took the max out of the side and we relied on 3 players mostly, Rafael, van Persie and Carrick. All 3 were injured most of the time for moyes and haven't been fit so far for van gaal.

The thing with moyes is results only got worse and the style got worse he longer he was our manager. There were no signs we were getting better and getting smashed by every big team didn't help. With van gaal you know that it won't be like that and we'll only get better. I would've been ok with a non-top4 finish to an extent if we had a good play style or in the second half of the season shown improvement, but we didn't. Moyes just didn't suit us at all.
 
To further play devil's advocate, was Moyes not slated beyond belief for having training methods from the dark ages, which caused multiple injuries? Meanwhile LVG's strict training regime, including double sessions, has received plaudits. How many of our players are injured now? 7?
 
That'sHernandez said:
To further play devil's advocate, was Moyes not slated beyond belief for having training methods from the dark ages, which caused multiple injuries? Meanwhile LVG's strict training regime, including double sessions, has received plaudits. How many of our players are injured now? 7?
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Van Gaals work is always focused on the ball. Not working on their fitness to an insane level.

There's a big difference between doing various ball work drills and doing the bleep test 5 times a day while doing Fartlek sessions while you wait for your turn.
 
That'sHernandez said:
To further play devil's advocate, was Moyes not slated beyond belief for having training methods from the dark ages, which caused multiple injuries? Meanwhile LVG's strict training regime, including double sessions, has received plaudits. How many of our players are injured now? 7?
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What's more worrying is he seems to be playing similar football. As in boring as hell to watch.
 
I said to my friends when Van Gaal was appointed that I wasn't looking forward to it because I think he's over-rated as hell, not least by himself. He's a belligerent, egotistical wanker and he's not half as good a manager as he thinks he is. There's a reason only Tottenham were interested in him before we sacked Moyes.

I hope he comes good, obviously, and if he can do what he did at Bayern by building the next dynasty then that's amazing. But at the moment it's looking more like what he did at Barcelona: took the champions, and led them to seventeenth.
 
Count Orduck said:
I said to my friends when Van Gaal was appointed that I wasn't looking forward to it because I think he's over-rated as hell, not least by himself. He's a belligerent, egotistical wanker and he's not half as good a manager as he thinks he is. There's a reason only Tottenham were interested in him before we sacked Moyes.

I hope he comes good, obviously, and if he can do what he did at Bayern by building the next dynasty then that's amazing. But at the moment it's looking more like what he did at Barcelona: took the champions, and led them to seventeenth.
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:nervous:
 
Count Orduck said:
I said to my friends when Van Gaal was appointed that I wasn't looking forward to it because I think he's over-rated as hell, not least by himself. He's a belligerent, egotistical wanker and he's not half as good a manager as he thinks he is. There's a reason only Tottenham were interested in him before we sacked Moyes.

I hope he comes good, obviously, and if he can do what he did at Bayern by building the next dynasty then that's amazing. But at the moment it's looking more like what he did at Barcelona: took the champions, and led them to seventeenth.
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:lol: Already?
 
He needs time to get rid of the dross. When you only have Cleverley and Fletcher as a CM pairing in an away game what else can we expect? No Carrick, no Herrera, no Shaw or Evans didn't help at all.
 
A lot on his plate right now. There is no quick fix for this squad. I hope we go back to a 4-3-3 or similar once ADM is on board. This is the only way forward instead of this back 3 nonsense.

Our players clearly are lacking in confidence and cohesion. I think some of them need to leave and hopefully the new transfers will infuse a new way of playing. We desperately need to sharpen up our attack because it just looks so disjointed.
 
Count Orduck said:
I said to my friends when Van Gaal was appointed that I wasn't looking forward to it because I think he's over-rated as hell, not least by himself. He's a belligerent, egotistical wanker and he's not half as good a manager as he thinks he is. There's a reason only Tottenham were interested in him before we sacked Moyes.

I hope he comes good, obviously, and if he can do what he did at Bayern by building the next dynasty then that's amazing. But at the moment it's looking more like what he did at Barcelona: took the champions, and led them to seventeenth.
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:rolleyes:
 
I do think he is a good enough manager to turn it around but so far not been impressed, formation doesn't work as we don't have the players for it, too slow in the transfer market, more injuries in training than ever, too long taken to assess the squad and we look as bad or worse than at any point last season.

He is someone who takes time and probably the fact he was at the World Cup is the reason why we have been so slow to get going and the injuries have played a big part, we desperately need to win our next two or three games though or we will have too much ground to make up already.
 
Roboc7 said:
I do think he is a good enough manager to turn it around but so far not been impressed, formation doesn't work as we don't have the players for it, too slow in the transfer market, more injuries in training than ever, too long taken to assess the squad and we look as bad or worse than at any point last season.

He is someone who takes time and probably the fact he was at the World Cup is the reason why we have been so slow to get going and the injuries have played a big part, we desperately need to win our next two or three games though or we will have too much ground to make up already.
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Injuries.
 
My only question to LvG is why on earth have you kept Cleverly, Young and Valencia on? Three players who embody the Moyes generation.
 
Nightmare of a start, but you can't write him off until he's got the better players to fill the roles at the back and in midfield at his disposal.

Rafael, Evans, Rojo, Shaw, Carrick and Herrera could fill 6 of the starting spots in a 4 man defence system quite comfortably.

But I have to admit, I was baffled at the decision to put Januzaj in CM off the bench. Rooney is no midfielder but for 25 minutes you'd stick him there in a 'crisis' before Januzaj.
 
Count Orduck said:
I said to my friends when Van Gaal was appointed that I wasn't looking forward to it because I think he's over-rated as hell, not least by himself. He's a belligerent, egotistical wanker and he's not half as good a manager as he thinks he is. There's a reason only Tottenham were interested in him before we sacked Moyes.

I hope he comes good, obviously, and if he can do what he did at Bayern by building the next dynasty then that's amazing. But at the moment it's looking more like what he did at Barcelona: took the champions, and led them to seventeenth.
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Loads of opportunistic jabs to fit your agenda. At the moment he's playing with reserve players because of injuries to half of his squad. Those who aren't injured are players who are absolutely terribly out of form or simply not good enough which we all knew two seasons ago. Regardless of who came in, they'd have faced the same situation.
 
Firstouch20 said:
My only question to LvG is why on earth have you kept Cleverly, Young and Valencia on? Three players who embody the Moyes generation.
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What were the options? Kagawa as CM? Reece James? There wasn't really much he can do, hope our injury situation gets better and we signing 2,3 players, otherwise it looks dark.
 
Without the injuries things we a bit touch and go after the shite of last last year.

With the injuries, and having to play kids and garbage like a Cleverly, Fletcher, Valencia and Young, a point is ok.


It still doesn't stop me getting furious watching them blunder around aimlessly for 90 minutes.
 
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