Helms Deep lite... With a shitter use of deus machina.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
My word that was fecking epic!
Superb episode, finally an episode filled with action from start to finish. I think this is the first time in the series they've concentrated on one storyline for the entire episode.
Joffrey demonstrated again why he is a cnut. I thought the Hound's reaction to seeing the fire and the subsequent act of just leaving the King behind was very well acted, I didn't expect him to do that but I did expect him to help Sansa.
Triffic speech from the Imp as well, Kenny Dalglish should take notes on how to inspire people. Sad to see him die like that (assuming he is dead).
The final scene was masterful, didn't expect Tywin to go to King's Landing and save the day. Am I correct that Renly's lover was with him at the end?
Superb episode, finally an episode filled with action from start to finish. I think this is the first time in the series they've concentrated on one storyline for the entire episode.
Joffrey demonstrated again why he is a cnut. I thought the Hound's reaction to seeing the fire and the subsequent act of just leaving the King behind was very well acted, I didn't expect him to do that but I did expect him to help Sansa.
Triffic speech from the Imp as well, Kenny Dalglish should take notes on how to inspire people. Sad to see him die like that (assuming he is dead).
The final scene was masterful, didn't expect Tywin to go to King's Landing and save the day. Am I correct that Renly's lover was with him at the end?
You are.
Thanks, I thought I recognised him.
So that's how Tyrion was going to use dragon fire while not setting his own place alight. I've seen the Avengers movie but nothing prepared me for this multi explosion of ships. I gasped as the orgasm rose and repeated. Tonight I felt like a woman.
How so?
Everything was foreshadowed. What particular part are you talking about? The wildfire? The Tyrells? Tywin? The back gate?
For that matter, it was nothing like Helms Deep, nor was it meant to be. Or are you using "Helms Deep" to mean, you know, any battle involving a castle?
Is this just the usual Spoony whining?
Epic episode, that explosion. I was a little disappointing when "Renly" returned thinking that they're making a deux-ex-machina-esque "Return of the King" but then all the things makes sense. Little Finger went to Tywin and something must have been negotiated there resulting with Renly's lover returned masked as Renley.
Tyrion was definitely the man of the match, sad to see him being cut. And my hate for Joffrey is becoming bigger and bigger. In all novels, movies, TV shows, video games or even real life I can't remember a more annoying character than him. And Sansa is really a little bitch.
I don't know, I'm thinking seriously to read the books, I don't think that I can wait for another 5-6 years.
Tyrion was definitely the man of the match, sad to see him being cut. And my hate for Joffrey is becoming bigger and bigger. In all novels, movies, TV shows, video games or even real life I can't remember a more annoying character than him. And Sansa is really a little bitch.
I don't know, I'm thinking seriously to read the books, I don't think that I can wait for another 5-6 years.
Just remembered that now that Sansa has gone off with the Hound, Catelyn's 'trade' involving Jamie is even more stupid. Catelyn has been making one mistake after another for a long time now.
First she trusted Littlefinger only for him to betray Ned. Then she agreed to Robb marrying the guy's daughter in return for the bridge, that's not likely to happen now. She also had Tyrion as her prisoner but lost him and didn't get the support of her sister against the Lannisters. Then her negotiations to get Renly on side with Robb failed and instead she agreed to take the man-woman suspected of killing Renly as her personal bodyguard, that's probably going to cause Robb problems in the future. Then she trusted Littlefinger and the Lannisters by making the trade but is not going to get anything in return and has instead weakened the Stark's position.
Overall she seems to have done more harm than good. Robb would be better off sending her back to Winterfell, or better, sending her to the Wall as punishment.
First she trusted Littlefinger only for him to betray Ned. Then she agreed to Robb marrying the guy's daughter in return for the bridge, that's not likely to happen now. She also had Tyrion as her prisoner but lost him and didn't get the support of her sister against the Lannisters. Then her negotiations to get Renly on side with Robb failed and instead she agreed to take the man-woman suspected of killing Renly as her personal bodyguard, that's probably going to cause Robb problems in the future. Then she trusted Littlefinger and the Lannisters by making the trade but is not going to get anything in return and has instead weakened the Stark's position.
Overall she seems to have done more harm than good. Robb would be better off sending her back to Winterfell, or better, sending her to the Wall as punishment.
That hasn't happened. Sansa didn't go with him. He left without her.
What a fecking ending - was in tenterhooks despite knowing all that was going to happen
I thought he leaves with her when he promises not to hurt her?
She did go with him
She says she will be safe there. And then he leaves.All we saw was the camera pan away as he left. I don't think we saw her leave when he did.
No. She says she'll be safe, the hound gets slightly angry and tells her everyone is a killer and she should get used to looking at a killer at which point she asks him 'you won't hurt me' and he says 'no...'.
He prepares to leave the room and the camera focuses on the doll in her hand. Going by the scene, it's more likely she left than not.
You keep adding stuff...and stop getting your knickers in a twist. It's the exactly the same...minus the brilliant battle scenes, in fact the writers admitted using it as a template, and there's nowt wrong with homage if it's done well. As for the DEM...at least Gandalf's bit in the ROK was partially expected...this one totally spoilt it for me.
Love the imp. Love the tits. The rest...well.....
All the while during the battle scenes I was wondering where the red witch was. Expecting her to make some magical monsters or open a large gate or something. The fact she's not popped up at all seems to suggest she's already in the castle ready to cause mayhem.
Can't wait for next week. Please someone tell me the next series is already being filmed. PlEaSe!
Can't wait for next week. Please someone tell me the next series is already being filmed. PlEaSe!
I thought Stanis left the red witch behind before they set sail, at least that is what he said to Davos who didn't want her to sail with them.
Odd, I thought her saying the words "So you'd protect me?" meant that she was leaving with him. If she does indeed stay behind (which is madness) then that scene was handled badly imo.
I don't know where you've read that they used Helm's Deep as inspiration. I've read nearly the opposite, that they knew they didn't have the budget to do a Helm's Deep, so they wouldn't try. If you went into it expecting anything like the main battle of a $94 million movie, then you can only blame yourself for being disappointed.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
I would have guessed that Stanis was going to take King's Landing, except with Tyrion being a main character I didn't think he would die, so that left me uncertain. We've built up the Lannisters so much, it would have been a bit early to knock them off their perch.
But now I really wonder where we're going with Stanis's character. Surely that's not the end of his threat, we really have no idea what % of his army has been destroyed, but he seems to have gone from the clear favorite to the underdog to win the throne game. His failure will surely cause a crisis of confidence among the 'lord of light' fanatics, but that smoke monster isn't going to be killed easily, I'm guessing.
But now I really wonder where we're going with Stanis's character. Surely that's not the end of his threat, we really have no idea what % of his army has been destroyed, but he seems to have gone from the clear favorite to the underdog to win the throne game. His failure will surely cause a crisis of confidence among the 'lord of light' fanatics, but that smoke monster isn't going to be killed easily, I'm guessing.
Epic episode. All that building up finally culminated in some focus and action, and it was fantastic!
Hope Tyrion isn't dead.
Hope Tyrion isn't dead.
That was just incredible. One of THE best episodes of television that I've seen. The scene with Bronn and The Hound before the war was almost impossibly badass, and the battle itself was amazing, the wildfire especially.
I guess we know where all their money went for Season 2, that wildfire looked great.
Excellent episode definitely one of the best out of either series, thought the wildfire was done really well. Would like to see George RR Martin write more of the episodes himself this was only the 2nd one he done (1st one being 'The Pointy End' in season 1).
Tbf it was pretty blatantly inspired by the Helms Deep scene in LOTR. As the writers explained in that piece though, they don't have the budget to do a battle on that scale but they do have other advantages. That said, the ships exploding was as visceral as anything in The Two Towers.
As far as deus ex machina goes well....I guess he missed the scene last week when Tywin said he was setting off to Kings Landing. It wasn't entirely out of the blue.
Yup, Knight of Flowers, their house abandoned Stannis after Renly's death.
You've read the fecking books, stop posting this shit.
Also, I think think Helms Deep a bit, but it was clear they were trying to do it in a different way.
Or maybe no use of it?
I guess because Helm's Deep is a famous siege scene it's somewhat relevant but apart from the fact a Calvary charge breaks the siege, I don't seen the comparison.
Helm's Deep was land locked, King's Landing had an amphibious assault to deal with.
The only way to break a siege, is to wait it out and hope one side starves or get reinforcements from elsewhere, Tolkien invented neither of those outcomes.
Helm's Deep was land locked, King's Landing had an amphibious assault to deal with.
The only way to break a siege, is to wait it out and hope one side starves or get reinforcements from elsewhere, Tolkien invented neither of those outcomes.
Am i only one who wanted stannis to win ?
Spoony is obsessed with deus ex machinas.
No. I did. If only to see that little shit and his mum get what's coming to them.
It reminded me of Helms deep too. There was ladders and an explosion and a battle.
EDIT: And a dwarf too
Ultimately i sort of hoped he would fail, as he has mainly won by magic so far.
The Lannisters may be right wankers, but they haven't used anything apart from money that normal people could.
I personally want Robb Stark to win the Kingdom, as i think he will run it fairly.
I dont think that Tyrion is dead, he looked like he took a nasty bash to the head, but seemed more concussed than dead. The way he was looking around, and then just sort of went to sleep once he realised the Cavalry was coming was more of a sleep of "thank god we've won", than oh no im dead.
I definitely wanted Stannis to win. Ideal situation would have been Tyrion sneaking out the backdoor with Shae and Joffrey getting his comeuppance with Stannis.
Basically, it was a very poor rip off... And the imp will survive, there's no chance they'll get rid of the only decent character in the whole series. I really hate the one dimensional characters... I don't know Maybe I'm not as easily as pleased as its legion of fans.
Maybe...just maybe I'm getting too old for this crap.
Doesn't seem like you enjoy much anymore Spoony.
No no..I've actually enjoyed the series. Just makes me chuckle how fans take criticism...very personally.
