Zidane and Iniesta

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Purely a comparison thread. Zizou is the greatest midfielder to grace the game in my time following football, spellbinding midfielder and always stepped up in every big game he played. Iniesta is the closest player who resembles Zidane in terms of how placid he is on the ball and is arguably the best midfielder in the world right now (and has been for some time imo). Can Iniesta by the end of his career overtake Zidane in terms of his relative standing in the game?

Compare and contrast.
 
The first contrast is the physical difference. Zidane was a big unit of a man. Iniesta is a bit more light weight, but can still take care of himself.

From memory, Iniesta gets around the pitch a bit more. Zidane was happy to let the ball do the travelling. Not to say both could, and can, pass or dribble to their hearts content to a world class standard.

Zidane was a bit of a dead ball specialist too, haven't seen that side to Iniesta's game.

Iniesta is one of the greatest I've seen, but think Zidane was better. Imagine Zidane in that Barcelona side, the greatest team ever?
 
p.s: Apologies if there's any mistakes in my opening paragraph, I'm writing this on 4 hours of sleep in the middle of a night rotation on a geriatric ward. A moment of genius struck me at some point in the last 30 minutes.
 
Right, well having changed the original post, do I think Iniesta can overtake Zidane in terms of his relative standing in the game? Without a doubt.

Iniesta has a world cup winning goal. Three European Cup trophies with Barcelona. Two European Championships with Spain. And never head butted someone in the final of a world cup.

The only thing, however, is that Iniesta has played with better players, Zidane was the go-to-guy for France, and to a lesser extent Madrid. He'd win them games out of nothing. Not to say Iniesta can't, but he has the likes of Messi, Xavi, Villa etc. to help out.
 
Iniesta is a great player, one of the greatest midfielders of our life time, but for me Zidane just edges it because he was the engine for the whole team..
 
No question that Zidane was the greater leader but he played in some great teams. That France backline is miles above anything in the game at the moment, Vieira was fantastic, Makelele, Pires and Henry were great players...and he had a fantastic collection of players surrounding him at both Juve and Madrid. Not as good as Barca of course, but he had plenty of help.
 
Zidane for me, all day long. Iniesta is a brilliant player, but I think he's a notch below Zidane in almost every department. IMO Zidane had better first touch, better technique, better all round skill, I think they'd be pretty even in terms of creativity and reading the game but I'd say Zidane was also a better finisher, especially from long range. Also you have to factor in Zidane's heading ability.

Of course my claims could easily be refuted, it's all subjective and down to one's own personal opinion. There is no doubt that both have really stood out as amazingly talented players.

One other thing I'd like to mention in this debate, is it probably comes down to style, why a lot of people are picking Zidane. Iniesta, though brilliant to watch, seems a lot more clinical, more concise, with every quick footed movement finely measured and engineered.
On the other hand Zidane was so relaxed, so languid, his lazy style of almost caressing the ball with his feet, moving it so fluidly, you'd almost think he had the ball on a string.
He used an almost imperceptible shift of his body weight to let defenders fool themselves. Even when running with the ball, like a gazelle galloping across the open plains, by the time his marker had used his pace to catch up with him, the slightest change of direction would leave them chasing shadows.
Combine this with his amazing ability to pick a perfect pass or strike a thunderous shot, and I think we're talking about a near complete player.

I know it's a cliche, but watching Zidane was like watching poetry in motion.

I found this great post about Zidane, in the newbie 'Zidane vs Iniesta' thread.
 
:lol:

Good post, and I love Zidane, but this is RAWKese:

like a gazelle galloping across the open plains
 
I never really watched Zidane, but from what I've seen, Iniesta just looks like he is playing on a different level to everyone else - even in the Barca team.

I think the thing about Iniesta is that he does amazing things with the ball so frequently that we end up taking it for granted. I'm not going to choose one or the other because I never saw Zidane play outside of that final against Italy, and have watched a lot of Iniesta.
 
Both great and both have the best first touch I've ever seen. Prefer Iniesta overall though.

I think Zidane's fans overrate him more than any other of the greats' fanboys.
 
Both similar player in terms of intelligence, technique, vision, etc. I think Iniesta edges it because he is a better dribbler than Zidane. Zizou was a bit more elegant player, but in terms of effectiveness, Iniesta is the man.

Anyway, both are fecking amazing... the two of them enjoy playing the big matches. Without them, probably France and Spain could be still trying to won their first World Cup. And their respectives team would be short in the number of Champions league trophies.

I think in the end this is a matter of subjetive point of view. For me Iniesta was/is the better player. Not by much, but still...
 
iniesta is better than zidane in my book. and I've ***ped many a time over zidane.

Iniesta is really a cocks out player of the highest order that gets all the veins bulging on yer todger.
 
A huge Zidane fan here, but I think Iniesta just edges it. But Zidane dribblin style is still my favorite. For a guy who didn't have that much pace, the way he glides past player was a joy to watch
 
Iniesta is brilliant and all that, but Zidane is just sheer class. I remember one of his teammates once saying, if they found themselves in a tight situation just get the ball to zidane and he'd sort it out.
 
Regardless of what he does, I don't think Iniesta will ever really be viewed by most in the same way Zidane is.

Iniesta is brilliant, but he plays in a team and in a time where Messi and to a lesser extent Ronaldo is miles above anyone else. He will always be remembered as a great player who played in the same Barca team as Messi.

Zidane was also a superstar, and a bit of a cult hero. He sort of stood out more than Iniesta ever will IMO. That has to do with his style of play (which is a lot cooler), his role in teams (where he was perhaps more important) and because of France 1998 and the way he played there.

I don't think that much separates them in terms of ability. I would agree with others that Zidane had the better physique and was a great dead ball specialist as well. Perhaps he was more complete that way.
 
Regardless of what he does, I don't think Iniesta will ever really be viewed by most in the same way Zidane is.

Iniesta is brilliant, but he plays in a team and in a time where Messi and to a lesser extent Ronaldo is miles above anyone else. He will always be remembered as a great player who played in the same Barca team as Messi.

Zidane was also a superstar, and a bit of a cult hero. He sort of stood out more than Iniesta ever will IMO. That has to do with his style of play (which is a lot cooler), his role in teams (where he was perhaps more important) and because of France 1998 and the way he played there.

I don't think that much separates them in terms of ability. I would agree with others that Zidane had the better physique and was a great dead ball specialist as well. Perhaps he was more complete that way.

It's a paradox because in 98 he wasn't half as good as in Euro 2000 or WC 06.I guess the two goals he scored in the final altered in a crazy way people's perception of him in that tournament.
 
Zidane. Iniesta is near perfection, but Zidane was perfection save the madness v Materazzi. Zidane mastered every aspect of play, on and off the ball. He had a powerful shot, but still had a delicate touch. He was ruthless defensively but his game was mostly about creating. And when the situation presented itself, he was class on the shot. Only Messi edges out Zidane in recent years.
 
It's a paradox because in 98 he wasn't half as good as in Euro 2000 or WC 06.I guess the two goals he scored in the final altered in a crazy way people's perception of him in that tournament.

I agree with that actually. Goals in WC finals create legends though:)
 
I'm not sure why many are dismissing Iniesta because he plays with better players because at the time, Zidane also payed for a strong Juve side, the Madrid Galacticos (who was head & shoulders above the rest of La Liga in terms of individual strength) & the 98-06 French NT who was also relatively comparable to this dominant Spain side.

I agree that Iniesta has a slight advantage though, having grown up with this Barca system etc. I'm a huge fan of both, so for me it's a toss up really. Zidane was definitely the better all round player as he had it all in his locker & this probably edges it for me. Would it be fair to say Iniesta is more consistent though? (week in, week out consistency).
 
Iniesta.



Zidane is one of the most over-rated greats of the game. Not saying he wasn't absolutely fantastic and brilliant but just over-rated by his fans because of his dramatic moments in career.
 
I'm not sure. Zidane had this tendency to produce moments of absolute brilliance which got him on the first pages, Iniesta is more of a quiet hero even if ability wise they aren't really far apart. I'd rather have Zidane in a team because of his ability to create something out of nothing, I feel Iniesta needs his team click to perform more than Zidane ever did.
 
Iniesta has years to go before his career comes to an end. By that time, i fully expect his standing to right at the top along with Zidane. Zidane's ability to really deliver at the crunch big games is what secured his spot in many hearts.

OVer the course of an entire season, i'd rather have Iniesta on my team. He's just much more consistent. Him not getting the accolades he deserves is understandable as the entire team really has to live in Messi's shadow. He's just a brilliant footballer though and for me the best midfielder in the game atm.
 
Zizou is still the man for me. Iniesta is fabulous, but Zizu is on a completely different level in terms of what he did for both club and country, the way in which he singlehandedly won the biggest of games.

I remember a quote by Wenger when talking about Zidane: 'If there is space 2 yards every side of him, give the ball to Zidane..he will bring it down and he will play'. Of course, the same can be said for Iniesta but there was something about Zidane, his charisma and his ability gave him this personality which was larger than life...for me, that swings it towards him. Assuming that level of responsibility in a team is also an offshoot of greatness.
 
Zidane was more complete than Iniesta. I don't think the Iniesta would look quite as good in a team playing a style which didn't suit him, whereas Zidane's range of abilities would allow him to adapt to any style.
 
Zidane every day of the week because he did all the good stuff without rolling about crying or telling tales to the ref all game! Watching Iniesta is great but man do the antics bug me. Spoils it.
 
Zidane without a doubt, Iniesta is a great player but I don't think he is decisive enough in comparison to Zidane. For me his general play is just mind boggling, when it comes to a player helping take control of a game then he is one of the best but when it comes to setting up a goal or scoring a goal he doesn't do that enough for me. Zidane on the other hand specialised in that but could also take control of games. Iniesta needs to improve more and I think there is potential for that.

Zidane was the more complete player, he could do everything that Iniesta does and more. Truly a wonderful player, kept things so simple and such eloquence on the ball.
 
Zidane was more complete than Iniesta. I don't think the Iniesta would look quite as good in a team playing a style which didn't suit him, whereas Zidane's range of abilities would allow him to adapt to any style.

In terms of completeness you've got Iniesta's versatility which has seen him play as a winger and a defensive midfielder which we never saw from Zidane. Even when Zidane wasn't playing in his favoured position it was either as a deep-lying playmaker or from a nominal wide position - quite different to what Iniesta has done. He's clearly a much better defensive player than Zidane. On the other hand you've got Zidane's superior strike and strength and not much else, no?

Iniesta just doesn't seem to have that ability to make the game revolve around him. He started off great in the Euro's and that was set up to be his Euro 2000 equivalent, but it just never happened. He has a good claim for being the best player in that Spanish squad now and he was clearly in good form, he just doesn't have that magnetism that Zidane did. On the one hand Iniesta's work ethic and attitude is hugely admirable in that he doesn't seek the limelight, but on the other hand that does hinder his game as an individual. Zidane was a great team player but very individualistic. Iniesta just isn't, never will be, and because of that he'll never have the singular influence Zidane was capable of.

That said, you'll get a few people coming in here and thinking the comparison's completely laughable and these are the people that have seen little of either player in La Liga, even in the big games...Iniesta consistently makes a mockery of Madrid in a way Zidane rarely did in Spain. There'll be compilation videos showing Iniesta in all his glory a few years after he's retired and that'll be when they realise the depth of his skill. He has a wonderful way of being a class above everyone else on the pitch and yet still doing it in an understated way.

Anyway, for me, the far more interesting comparison is Iniesta and Laudrup.
 
He has a wonderful way of being a class above everyone else on the pitch and yet still doing it in an understated way.

Perfectly expressed.
 
In terms of completeness you've got Iniesta's versatility which has seen him play as a winger and a defensive midfielder which we never saw from Zidane. Even when Zidane wasn't playing in his favoured position it was either as a deep-lying playmaker or from a nominal wide position - quite different to what Iniesta has done. He's clearly a much better defensive player than Zidane. On the other hand you've got Zidane's superior strike and strength and not much else, no?

Iniesta just doesn't seem to have that ability to make the game revolve around him. He started off great in the Euro's and that was set up to be his Euro 2000 equivalent, but it just never happened. He has a good claim for being the best player in that Spanish squad now and he was clearly in good form, he just doesn't have that magnetism that Zidane did. On the one hand Iniesta's work ethic and attitude is hugely admirable in that he doesn't seek the limelight, but on the other hand that does hinder his game as an individual. Zidane was a great team player but very individualistic. Iniesta just isn't, never will be, and because of that he'll never have the singular influence Zidane was capable of.

That said, you'll get a few people coming in here and thinking the comparison's completely laughable and these are the people that have seen little of either player in La Liga, even in the big games...Iniesta consistently makes a mockery of Madrid in a way Zidane rarely did in Spain. There'll be compilation videos showing Iniesta in all his glory a few years after he's retired and that'll be when they realise the depth of his skill. He has a wonderful way of being a class above everyone else on the pitch and yet still doing it in an understated way.

Anyway, for me, the far more interesting comparison is Iniesta and Laudrup.

I was talking stylistic versatility more than positional versatility. Plus when Iniesta is pushed wide, he looks far worse for it.

Agreed though, the comparison's definitely not laughable. In fact, they're a hair's breadth apart for me, mostly because of Iniesta's consistency. He sometimes goes a bit quiet in the odd game, but I haven't seem him have a bad game for ages and ages. Plus the 'not standing out' thing has a lot more to do with being in a team with Messi and with Barcelona's individuality-effacing style than with Iniesta himself. He's always far more prominent in his favourite position and as the main man for Spain.

Agreed on Laudrup too. Possibly my favourite non-United player ever, and a more useful comparison.
 
Zizou is still the man for me. Iniesta is fabulous, but Zizu is on a completely different level in terms of what he did for both club and country, the way in which he singlehandedly won the biggest of games.

I remember a quote by Wenger when talking about Zidane: 'If there is space 2 yards every side of him, give the ball to Zidane..he will bring it down and he will play'. Of course, the same can be said for Iniesta but there was something about Zidane, his charisma and his ability gave him this personality which was larger than life...for me, that swings it towards him. Assuming that level of responsibility in a team is also an offshoot of greatness.

That for me is what seperates the two.
 
No comparison tbh... Iniesta is not of the same class of a Zizou...
 
Think the difference between the two is marginal. I tried to watch Zidane as much as possible and he was a special player, no doubt. However, I do think there is a slight tendency from some to overrate him a bit. Not that he wasn't amazing, but I often hear things like 'greatest player of all time' when his name comes up in discussion. To be honest, I was quite underwhelmed by many of his performances for Madrid.

Still, Zidane had more a 'Keane-esque' presence about him from what I've seen. He also possessed a superior all round goalscoring threat to Iniesta. Iniesta on the other hand is more consistent and comfortably the better dribbler in my opinion despite Zidane's technique and elegance. The way Iniesta just glides with the ball stuck to his foot at what is pretty much full speed is a very rare gift. He is a far better and more threatening dribbler than players like Ronaldo and Bale whilst only having decent pace. It is superb to watch, and that's before getting on to talk about some of his play in tight situations. I swear...some of the stuff he does by that left corner flag is ridiculous. :wenger:

If I had to plump for one, I'd go for Iniesta. There are still some things he needs to improve upon in order to take it up a notch (he does not score enough or control games as much as he should do for someone of his talent), but it's such a privilege watching him. Out of every player I've ever seen, I think he's had moments whereby he's displayed awareness like no other - not even Ronaldinho, Messi or Zidane. If he does click and begin to stamp the authority on games he should do, he could go as far as he wants. It's clear that he's got in him to score more and take a proper hold on games - it's only his willingness to do it that must improve. Perhaps we will see more of the latter when Xavi begins to wind down.
 
Looking by quality, they are similar, both great player with great technique, dribbling, both great individual players, and both very creative, however, Iniesta is much more consitent then Zidane was, but he also lacks that leadership status Zizou had, that's probably main difference between those two.

If Iniesta keep his quality and continues to play at highest level in his thirties, I will consider him as a better player.
 
Zidane was a superstar and has the edge in an individual comparison due to... well... individual brilliance.
 
people talking about Zidane done it in big games seems to forget thay Iniesta scored a winning goal in a World Cup final, scored a winning goal in Champions League SF and arguably the best player in the final