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Has an always crying expression. Do not want. Enough crybabies already with Sancho back as well
It's made-up nonsense, but you've convinced yourself that it's reality. Whining about issues that don't even exist. Classic Caf behavior.
You do realise I literally add a note hopefully is a made-up nonsense in my initial post?
I am also not whining about issues that don't exist, we are literally finishing one Holland player as we speak, we are interested in signing De Light, and then there is rumour for Simons now too. These are all obviously very valid issues.
What's the issue? None of them are bad players? In fact they are all very highly rated around Europe.You do realise I literally add a note hopefully is a made-up nonsense in my initial post?
I am also not whining about issues that don't exist, we are literally finishing one Holland player as we speak, we are interested in signing De Light, and then there is rumour for Simons now too. These are all obviously very valid issues.
And no one finds it weird that most of them are Dutch or have played in Eredivisie?
Bottom line is that a transfer is multi stage and will be over seen by many. Clubs often go through that. Look at wolves over recent times, lots of Portuguese players. We now have a massive Dutch influence with our coaches so it’s not uncommon.
You're hopeless, I won't even try. There's no convincing posters like you.
What's the issue? None of them are bad players? In fact they are all very highly rated around Europe.
That's exactly the type of answer I was expected to get from you. Nothing I have said is wrong and you are obviously just one of those terrible posters that don't even understand what online forum is meant to be.
And no one finds it weird that most of them are Dutch or have played in Eredivisie?
Yeah we played them and none of them work for us, and they've always felt out of position. I'm saying we need to stop trying to use those players as it's not what we've historically been successful with, and in my opinion just generally not what the best teams would prefer.
I'd prefer not to go down a route where we shoe horn players in weird roles where it's not ideal, when we're essentially build from scratch.
Bayern are after Simons and Milan were after Zirkzee? De ligt has already played for some of the biggest clubs in Europe.That's exactly the type of answer I was expected to get from you. Nothing I have said is wrong and you are obviously just one of those terrible posters that don't even understand what online forum is meant to be.
What do you mean by highly rated? Which top club is after any of them?
Bayern are after Simons
Milan were after Zirkzee? De ligt has already played for some of the biggest clubs in Europe.
De Light has played at big clubs and was disappointment in all of them, there is a reason why Bayern would want to get rid. Even his injury record isn't great, and he is on probably big wages too.
Are you seriously happy to sign all three of them? Are you Dutch?
Bolded part is just not true. Unless you expected him to be the best defender in the world right now, he hasnt disappointed. Starter for both Bayern and Juventus and both clubs are/were open to selling because of financial reasons.
De Ligt, Zirkzee and Xavi are all young very talented players. Why wouldnt you want to sign those? Being Dutch has nothing to do with that.
Bayern their best CB, one of the best young players in Germany/Europe and the Serie A young player of the year. If they werent Dutch but came with that description you likely would love for them to sign for Manchester United.
Do you believe that top clubs from around Europe aren't aware who Joshua Zirkzee, Matthijs de Ligt and Xavi Simons are?
Do you believe players who come from the Eredivisie, be it to United or other PL teams, will just generally flop?
Just in the last 24 months, so during ten Hag's United tenure, these Eredivisie players left the league to move to a top 5 league club that wasn't Manchester United:
Kudus to West Ham
Gakpo to Liverpool
Timber to Arsenal
Álvarez to West Ham
Sangaré to Nottingham Forest
Madueke to Chelsea
Haller to Dortmund
Wieffer to Brighton
Sinisterra to Leeds
Bassey to Fulham
Reijnders to AC Milan
Gravenberch to Bayern Munich
Mazraoui to Bayern Munich
Kerkez to Bournemouth
Senesi to Bournemouth
I could go on, but you get my point. There will also be a lot of Dutch and/or Eredivisie and/or ex-ETH players moving this summer to big clubs.
There is a huge misconception about our recruitment on here, and no matter who we are linked with, there's going to be some sort of outrage if they're either Dutch and/or played in the Eredivisie and/or know ten Hag. In reality, both the Netherlands the Eredivisie have a great talent pool that teams from top 5 leagues often like to pick from. It's a market that has always provided players and market opportunities to the traditional big clubs (and all PL clubs ever since it became the de facto Super League).
Also, looking at our signings under ETH where the player had some kind of connection to the manager:
-Antony was never worth 80m, but ETH knew that, the scouting department knew that, and everyone who watched the player extensively at Ajax knew that. It's a big mistake, because of the fee, there's no denying that, but I don't think you can put all the blame on ETH on this one. The Glazers originally prepared a much lower budget on transfers in the summer of 2022, and only after the opening two defeats of the season did they decide to let the club splash a nonsensical amount of money on Antony, out of panic. This info comes from the Athletic, the most reliable football source out there nowadays.
-Martínez has been great and he's good enough for any club and league in the world. You could argue his real worth is considerably higher than the fee we spent on him.
-Malacia was a cheap punt, similar to Dan James, and done well whenever he's played. Him missing a season is far from ideal, but whenever he's been on the pitch, the performances were usually decent.
-Weghorst was obviously not good enough for United, but it was an emergency loan and I hate even mentioning these irrelevant signings when assessing our transfer policy, whether they did well or not. Still, I feel like for a cheap 6-month loan, Weghorst was alright and even though he didn't score a single PL goal, he worked hard and improved the team, because we literally had no striker in the squad other than him.
-Eriksen was a good signing for a free. Up until his injury vs Reading in the FA Cup, he was a very useful player for us.
-Mount hasn't had enough opportunities due to injury issues, but whenever he's played last season, he was decent.
-Onana had a good season IMO, the howlers cannot happen with this frequency, but with the ball, and in-possession, he provided everything he was bought for. An excellent technical goalkeeper.
-Amrabat was decent when ETH tweaked the system and he didn't have to play basically a single-pivot #6 anymore. He's a decent double pivot DM and unsurprisingly his best performances came when he played in a double pivot.
You also need to realize that a player is not either good or bad. It's not either a good signing or a flop. It's not black or white. There always has to be a lot of contextualization and to be honest, judging any player on a season like the last one is silly. Almost no one looks good in a dysfunctional setup. Even Rodri would've looked like a vastly inferior player to the Rodri that plays for Manchester City and Spain, if he had to play DM for us last season.
So overall, I think the criticism regarding our recruitment under ETH was overblown even in his first two seasons, and now he has a much better structure helping him that's finally filled with footballing people who know what they are doing. Whining about potential arrivals because they're of a certain nationality, or come from a certain league is just silly.
Milan are still a big club. Should we not sign someone like Leao or Maignan then because Milan rate them?Yeah, that's fair.
Milan are nowhere near top club we should aspire to be, and they have Giroud as their leading striker, no wonder they were interested. I am not saying Zirkzee is shite and wouldn't improve some clubs.
De Light has played at big clubs and was disappointment in all of them, there is a reason why Bayern would want to get rid. Even his injury record isn't great, and he is on probably big wages too.
Are you seriously happy to sign all three of them? Are you Dutch?
Also he is not Bayern's best defender, all of Upamecano, Davies and Kimmich are better than him, probably Kim too. I am not sure he is even their first option when everyone is fit. And their defence isn't even spectacular either, Eric Dier plays as a defender there which says a lot, there is a reason they have finished third last season in BL. Bayern don't have financial reasons to sell unless they don't find him waste of space on his wages, because they could finance probably two better players for same wages.
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Can’t believe that de Ligt nonsense from people not watching Bayern made it into this thread as well.
Nonsense is calling Kimmich, Upa and Davies better defenders than de Ligt after the season those players just had.So what is nonsense, saying De Ligt is Bayern best CB or saying rest all of them are better?
Milan are still a big club. Should we not sign someone like Leao or Maignan then because Milan rate them?
I disagree he's been a disappointment. There can be concerns about his wages and injury record, but not on his defensively quality.
Yeah, why would I not be happy signing 3 good quality players? I'm not Dutch, I don't care that they are, I'm not sure why you should. If they were all English or French, I doubt anyone would care.
Juventus didn't want to sell De ligt, he was sold because he wasn't signing a new contract. He was a main starter there.Yeah, that's fair.
Milan are nowhere near top club we should aspire to be, and they have Giroud as their leading striker, no wonder they were interested. I am not saying Zirkzee is shite and wouldn't improve some clubs.
De Light has played at big clubs and was disappointment in all of them, there is a reason why Bayern would want to get rid. Even his injury record isn't great, and he is on probably big wages too.
Are you seriously happy to sign all three of them? Are you Dutch?
De Light has played at big clubs and was disappointment in all of them, there is a reason why Bayern would want to get rid. Even his injury record isn't great, and he is on probably big wages too.
OK but that doesn't mean everything they do is wrong, as I just mentioned two players who are top quality in their side. We still managed to sign good players as well.They are big club, but they are not top team and nowhere near smart run club, actually they have been worse than us in many transfer related stuff in the past 10 years or so.
If you are happy with those signings, then great, we can disagree about the quality needed because I don't think those players will improve our first XI by any means. Actually, I think De Light is the best signing out of those because we miss numbers in defence, so I would be fine with that. Zirkzee and Simmons would just add numbers in attacking positions we already have, what we are missing there is real quality and goals, and they will hardly improve us in that department.
Why are you inventing stuff I never said? Even if they played in championship I am sure top clubs would be aware of them. Why wouldn't top clubs be aware of most of players, and not just these players who had respectable seasons last year?
You have created completely new point in your head and started discussing it for no reason. You startwd laughing at my post on which I said nothing has changed because by the looks of it the manager is again picking his target instead of club being driven by director of football, I was criticising our board and transfer strategy, and yet you go on and defend Ten Hag and Dutch players in general for some reason.
Zirkzee only has to outperform Martial, to do that and I think he can.
It's fine if you prefer other players, but I don't know how you'd argue they wouldn't improve us. They obviously would considering the places in the squad they're improving.
You do realise what you're saying makes no sense, right?
You say there is a reason Bayern want to sell as if they only make great decisions, but if he was so bad for Juventus, why did Bayern pay nearly €70m to sign him?
He is on big wages, and that is precisely why they're open to selling him. It has nothing to do with ability. They're also looking to get rid of Kimmich, Coman and Gnabry, are they also disappointments?
Why do you think Bayern fans want to keep him and can't understand this sale? Let's say our board want to get rid of Lisandro Martinez but we, the fans, really want him to stay because he is our best CB, would that make him not good enough?
Nonsense is calling Kimmich, Upa and Davies better defenders than de Ligt after the season those players just had.
But this is the Xavi Simons thread.
When he was fully fit he was a guaranteed starter, especially in the final third of the season.I am pretty sure De Light wasn't your first choice in defence this year? Do you think he is your best defender?
Nonsense is calling Kimmich, Upa and Davies better defenders than de Ligt after the season those players just had.
But this is the Xavi Simons thread.
When he was fully fit he was a guaranteed starter, especially in the final third of the season.
He was our best defender in the last 2 seasons.
You're the one who said he wouldn't improve us, that's all he has to do to improve us. I think he suits us to bring the best out of Rashford, Garnacho and Hojlund.I can do that too, and I will come for free! Those are some really low expectations.
We don't need players to improve on Martial, we need striker who will score 20 goals in PL alone, who will perform both Hojlund and Rashford, and not Martial. We are not midtable club who have two forwards who will score 10-15 goal each(at best). But I don't want even to keep this discussion about Zirkzee, as it's all very much still hypotethical, no one knows if and how much he will improve the squad. I guess we can only bet on it.
How do you see our best lineup next year if we sign Simons? Where does he fit?
Where did you find that they want to sell all those players, that is really difficult to believe, and your entire post is based on that as a fact?
Personally, I find it ridiculous that Bayern would sell someone who is apparently their best defender, top clubs don't to that.
I can do that too, and I will come for free! Those are some really low expectations.
We don't need players to improve on Martial, we need striker who will score 20 goals in PL alone, who will perform both Hojlund and Rashford, and not Martial. We are not midtable club who have two forwards who will score 10-15 goal each(at best). But I don't want even to keep this discussion about Zirkzee, as it's all very much still hypotethical, no one knows if and how much he will improve the squad. I guess we can only bet on it.
How do you see our best lineup next year if we sign Simons? Where does he fit?
Please stop talking, if you have no idea what you are saying. And move this to the de Ligt thread.I am pretty sure De Light wasn't your first choice in defence this year? Do you think he is your best defender?
You're probably joking but this type of comment is how a lot of people feel about players. If they look a certain way they'll get treated a certain way. This is just how his face sits. Appearance is everything, I see some people coming out with shitty comments based on his appearance alone.Has an always crying expression. Do not want. Enough crybabies already with Sancho back as well