Would it be worth breaching FSR rules?

Zed 101

Full Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2014
Messages
2,030
Given that money is not our actual issue, but PSR/FSR potentially is would there be any benefit in just taking a hit?

Everton breached FSR by £16.6m and took a 2 point deduction for it, so there is a precedent set.

If we were to breach FSR to bring in a key player (say a Striker) would the points they would potentially gain us actually be greater than the potential penalty?

The issue is, is there a player which would be relatively cheap enough who could pretty much guarantee enough points to risk it.... bearing in mind that the difference in prize money in the Prem, and going all the way in Europe is significant, I believe the deadline is 30th June so winning the Europa would net us around £16m prize money, each place in the premier league is worth about £3m, in theory would could gain £20m or more, it would not be crazy, I know it is a lot of ifs, ands, buts, and maybes....
 
No. Breaching because you’re a badly run club is dumb. It’s the sign of a badly run club, in most cases. Voluntarily breaching to buy another player because your recruitment has been crap is beyond dumb and would simply serve to confirm how badly run a club we were.
 
No. Breaching because you’re a badly run club is dumb. It’s the sign of a badly run club, in most cases. Voluntarily breaching to buy another player because your recruitment has been crap is beyond dumb and would simply serve to confirm how badly run a club we were.
Close thread
 
No. Breaching because you’re a badly run club is dumb. It’s the sign of a badly run club, in most cases. Voluntarily breaching to buy another player because your recruitment has been crap is beyond dumb and would simply serve to confirm how badly run a club we were.
Is anyone in doubt that we have been a really badly run club?

I get your point entirely I am just kind of raising the argument that in reality the punishment doesn't really act as a deterrent, in the same way fining a company like INEOS a few million for breaching environmental rules, is not a deterrent when meeting the rules would cost significantly more
 
Well you'd like to think if we were going to do something drastic like this to improve our overall situation, we'd at least do it for a reason more beneficial than just adding an extra stiker. If we could instead breach the rules by paying Rashford off in full to get him out ASAP, that might be worth it yeah.
 
Cash flow is definitely an issue for the club right now, not just PSR.
 
Maybe we could rack up 115 charges. As long as we win loads of league titles and a treble it would be worth it.
 
Silly thread.

I mean equally, it could lead to a negative effect such as the 2 point deduction being the difference between making top 4 or not
 
Well you'd like to think if we were going to do something drastic like this to improve our overall situation, we'd at least do it for a reason more beneficial than just adding an extra stiker. If we could instead breach the rules by paying Rashford off in full to get him out ASAP, that might be worth it yeah.

Genuinely - how much of a vile cretin do you have to be to turn this nonsense thread into a dig at literally one of our best performing attackers this season with three goals in his last two starts?

Have a word with yourself about how you choose to support a football club, a local lad and a player who has given us more great moments than probably anyone else (bar Fernandes and Evans) in our squad.
 
Given how harshly United got treated in the past compared to other clubs for breaking the rules. (Eric/Rio/Scholes/Rooney/Evra/etc) I would say it wouldn't be worth it no.
 
Genuinely - how much of a vile cretin do you have to be to turn this nonsense thread into a dig at literally one of our best performing attackers this season with three goals in his last two starts?

Have a word with yourself about how you choose to support a football club, a local lad and a player who has given us more great moments than probably anyone else (bar Fernandes and Evans) in our squad.

Some of the Rashford bashers seem genuinely unhinged.
 
You'd get more than 2 points for intentionally breaking a rule.
 
Given that money is not our actual issue, but PSR/FSR potentially is would there be any benefit in just taking a hit?

Everton breached FSR by £16.6m and took a 2 point deduction for it, so there is a precedent set.

If we were to breach FSR to bring in a key player (say a Striker) would the points they would potentially gain us actually be greater than the potential penalty?

The issue is, is there a player which would be relatively cheap enough who could pretty much guarantee enough points to risk it.... bearing in mind that the difference in prize money in the Prem, and going all the way in Europe is significant, I believe the deadline is 30th June so winning the Europa would net us around £16m prize money, each place in the premier league is worth about £3m, in theory would could gain £20m or more, it would not be crazy, I know it is a lot of ifs, ands, buts, and maybes....
Do you gamble, by any chance?
 
No. We wouldn’t be able to sling shit at City and their supporters in good conscience.
 
Genuinely - how much of a vile cretin do you have to be to turn this nonsense thread into a dig at literally one of our best performing attackers this season with three goals in his last two starts?

Have a word with yourself about how you choose to support a football club, a local lad and a player who has given us more great moments than probably anyone else (bar Fernandes and Evans) in our squad.
A vile cretin for wanting a Big Time Charlie out of the club? No need to get emotional.

If you have watched every game this season and deem Rashford one of our best performers, that tells me all I need to know about your ball knowledge.
 
As far as I am aware, the financial rules are stricter when it comes to playing in Europe than it is in the Premier League.

So basically if I am right, you would be barred for 1 season from playing in Europe, so the club wouldn't have that option.
 
We could have Haaland up front and he wouldn't come close to his numbers elsewhere because we don't fecking pass to the striker. It would be hilarious of us to blow our load on a goal scorer and still have the same idiots behind him refusing to pass.
 
Given that money is not our actual issue, but PSR/FSR potentially is would there be any benefit in just taking a hit?

Everton breached FSR by £16.6m and took a 2 point deduction for it, so there is a precedent set.

If we were to breach FSR to bring in a key player (say a Striker) would the points they would potentially gain us actually be greater than the potential penalty?

The issue is, is there a player which would be relatively cheap enough who could pretty much guarantee enough points to risk it.... bearing in mind that the difference in prize money in the Prem, and going all the way in Europe is significant, I believe the deadline is 30th June so winning the Europa would net us around £16m prize money, each place in the premier league is worth about £3m, in theory would could gain £20m or more, it would not be crazy, I know it is a lot of ifs, ands, buts, and maybes....
I think we definitely have a cash problem - not just a FSR problem based on what the financial statements are telling us and also some of the recent INEOS moves.
 
Fat Spanish waiteR? My nan used to tell me to stay away from illegal stuffs so it's a no for me.
 
I'm not sure that what the OP is suggesting is actually an example of intentionally breaching the rules. If we signed a player for whatever and their performances directly lead to the club getting back the outlay (and then some) in additional revenue by June 30th, there wouldn't have been a breach at all. But it's in the category of gamble many Championship clubs used to make right before a load of them started going into administration for some reason. Betting the future of a club against a brand new player or two having an absurdly successful first few months has not, historically, been a good gamble to make.

Now were we to actually intentionally breach PSR/FSR rules, I'm not sure if there is a precedent for any sort of punishment at all. As far as I'm aware, it's only the mismanaged or misunderstanding clubs that have been hit with deductions. The ones who purposely flout the rules don't seem to be getting any kind of punishment of consequence, as of yet.
 
I'm not sure that what the OP is suggesting is actually an example of intentionally breaching the rules. If we signed a player for whatever and their performances directly lead to the club getting back the outlay (and then some) in additional revenue by June 30th, there wouldn't have been a breach at all. But it's in the category of gamble many Championship clubs used to make right before a load of them started going into administration for some reason. Betting the future of a club against a brand new player or two having an absurdly successful first few months has not, historically, been a good gamble to make.

Now were we to actually intentionally breach PSR/FSR rules, I'm not sure if there is a precedent for any sort of punishment at all. As far as I'm aware, it's only the mismanaged or misunderstanding clubs that have been hit with deductions. The ones who purposely flout the rules don't seem to be getting any kind of punishment of consequence, as of yet.
Don’t try and justify an insanely bad idea
 
Is this even true? Don't you have PSR/FSR problems exactly because money/cashflow is an issue?

I'm not sure we do have a lot of cash which is why we had to sell to buy in the Summer.

The rules around how much you can spend based on the PSR/FSR isn't really based on how much cash you have access to. You could take out a loan and you'd have cash but you'd still be restricted by the financial rules, for example.
 
Imagining how happy people would be if we willfully took a points deduction for the sake of making "key signings" like Pogba, Antony, Maguire, Sancho, Lukaku, Di Maria, etc.

Not sure our recruitment needs the added pressure of having to justify points hits.
 
Don’t try and justify an insanely bad idea
Pointing out that it's the same level of gamble that the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County, and Birmingham City have been left lamenting did not - to me, anyway - feel like much of a justification.

Now, I could have just popped in and said "silly thread," or something, but that seems to have already been covered.
 
Given that money is not our actual issue, but PSR/FSR potentially is would there be any benefit in just taking a hit?

Everton breached FSR by £16.6m and took a 2 point deduction for it, so there is a precedent set.

If we were to breach FSR to bring in a key player (say a Striker) would the points they would potentially gain us actually be greater than the potential penalty?

The issue is, is there a player which would be relatively cheap enough who could pretty much guarantee enough points to risk it.... bearing in mind that the difference in prize money in the Prem, and going all the way in Europe is significant, I believe the deadline is 30th June so winning the Europa would net us around £16m prize money, each place in the premier league is worth about £3m, in theory would could gain £20m or more, it would not be crazy, I know it is a lot of ifs, ands, buts, and maybes....
What makes you think that?
 
Isn't this thread basically asking whether we should cheat to give ourselves a better chance of success? Absolutely not.
 
off topic but i really think Woodward, Arnold and Murtough should not be allowed to even watch televised United games for what they to this club.
Ironically, enforcing that would probably run us into more financial issues. Is there anyone left to lay off?
 
We're losing 100m a year, of course money is an issue.

Also do people actually think that the guy who is cutting the Christmas parties will spend an extra amount?