Worst United I’ve Ever Seen

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I’m fortunate to have started supporting Untied during the Ferguson era, which we knew wouldn’t last forever. However, I did not expect the fall to be this far and this painful to watch. This United squad is the worst I’ve witnessed, with no ability to create or finish chances. Going into the season we knew the squad was short on goals, and it hasn’t been addressed which just doesn’t even provide you with a hope of getting results.

Forcing the move for Amorim, when he stated he wanted to wait until summer is another situation that is causing some issues. The fact that we don’t have the players to play this system, and he is insistent on playing this way, means we are basically writing off the second half of the season. I’m not blaming Amorim but we can’t compete with the way we are playing and we will continue to do so. How long will we persist? And the fact that he’ll likely want to replace the majority of the squad means we are playing a way many of these players won’t be involved in.

Going to be painful for a while. I hope he can turn it around at some point, but it’s going to take time and investment in the squad. Viewing is going to be bad for a while.

(Really hope I eat my words, and somehow things just start to click but I currently can’t see it at the moment)
 
ManUnitedCanuck said:
Forcing the move for Amorim, when he stated he wanted to wait until summer is another situation that is causing some issues. The fact that we don’t have the players to play this system, and he is insistent on playing this way, means we are basically writing off the second half of the season. I’m not blaming Amorim but we can’t compete with the way we are playing and we will continue to do so. How long will we persist? And the fact that he’ll likely want to replace the majority of the squad means we are playing a way many of these players won’t be involved in.
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This is true but that’s why we have to be patient. He’s not going to abandon his system for these crap players. We have to wait 2-3 years for him to overhaul this squad. Who cares about the second half of this season. There’s no quick fix for 12 years of shite.
 
ManUnitedCanuck said:
I’m fortunate to have started supporting Untied during the Ferguson era, which we knew wouldn’t last forever. However, I did not expect the fall to be this far and this painful to watch. This United squad is the worst I’ve witnessed, with no ability to create or finish chances. Going into the season we knew the squad was short on goals, and it hasn’t been addressed which just doesn’t even provide you with a hope of getting results.

Forcing the move for Amorim, when he stated he wanted to wait until summer is another situation that is causing some issues. The fact that we don’t have the players to play this system, and he is insistent on playing this way, means we are basically writing off the second half of the season. I’m not blaming Amorim but we can’t compete with the way we are playing and we will continue to do so. How long will we persist? And the fact that he’ll likely want to replace the majority of the squad means we are playing a way many of these players won’t be involved in.

Going to be painful for a while. I hope he can turn it around at some point, but it’s going to take time and investment in the squad. Viewing is going to be bad for a while.

(Really hope I eat my words, and somehow things just start to click but I currently can’t see it at the moment)
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Seems a silly post, you answer your own question.
 
I've been following United for 60+ years and it is painful at the moment. However, I followed the team through relegation before they rose to the heights of the Ferguson era.

Amorim himself said there would be pain. Patience is required.

Keep the faith. :+1:
 
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Seriously, another post like this? We have been saying this for the last 12 years now. What else is there left to say?
 
I’ve said this before but the season died before it even started when ETH stayed on. That was a horrific decision and has defined the season. Maybe the person behind that decision’s career at United has turned to ashes…

We should have P45ed ETH a week after the FA Cup Final like a lot of people here were advocating, ride out the boo boys who thought we should have kept him and got Amorim there and then. We could have then prioritised wing backs and a striker who can score.

Not saying we’d have even been Top 4 but we’d have probably been hovering around 6th-10th.
 
The most basic things seem a struggle for them. There was a point where the ball was rolled into Ugarte, no pace on it, but he still managed to cock up his touch so badly that he had to stretch into a slide tackle to rescue it.

This is a regular occurrence for United players. This and things like not being able to make 10-15 yards passes consistently.

There are just a group technically shit footballers. You could see the difference in Palace players zipping it around comfortably.
 
I think for me the biggest thing is the lack of physicality, in the current version of the league you just can't survive if you get bullied all the time like we do. I don't know how we change that but we are a weak team
 
I watched us go down in 1974 (we were bad).
Witnessed the drab Dave Sexton period (it was awful).
Thrilled and despaired through the ups and downs of Big Ron’s tenure.
That’s before this last, almost 12 years, since SAF stepped down.
Where we are is down there with the final season with Ole and then Ralf in charge.
It’s almost impossible to drum up some wild, blinkered optimism at this stage.

Utd were always big enough to come back.
A sleeping giant in our years of drought.
Now I really fear our time at the top table is drawing to a close.


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I know we lost today but our lack of goals are costing us games. Today was another example of not taking chances and then heads drop. Dare I say, once we start scoring the first goal, we will win a load more games. Silly, unconfident mistakes cost us again today and will be eradicated once we start scoring as I feel we have control of most games. Palace were gifted the first today after we fluffed many good chances. Today’s game was not a reason to think the end of the world is here.
 
Offside said:
This is true but that’s why we have to be patient. He’s not going to abandon his system for these crap players. We have to wait 2-3 years for him to overhaul this squad. Who cares about the second half of this season. There’s no quick fix for 12 years of shite.
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He’s not getting 2-3 years. If we carry on being mid table moving into next season he’s gone.
 
Offside said:
This is true but that’s why we have to be patient. He’s not going to abandon his system for these crap players. We have to wait 2-3 years for him to overhaul this squad. Who cares about the second half of this season. There’s no quick fix for 12 years of shite.
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As if he’s getting 2-3 years man :lol:

He’ll get some signings now and without serious improvement he won’t be getting any more as he’ll be gone.

You saw with Ashworth how ruthless INEoS are.
 
Reality is this needed to be done when Rangnick was here, open heart surgery. We’re now trying to do it mid season with a new manager having blown 600m with the previous manager.
 
Very clear there is a lack of both physicality and technical ability. There is a lack of IQ in the team too. The two new signings raise this straight away.

The change will take time.
 
Late 80s was grim especially,89/90 when we were just above the relegation positions for a good part of the season even though we ended up with an FA cup.
This season has been terrible though.
 
We're a laughing stock. I'm sick of lesser teams coming to OT and winning then celebrating at the end like they've just won the world cup. It's completely unacceptable. How are those players OK with this?
 
Everyone saying do not blame Amorim - but player for player we are not a worse team than many of the teams who are well above us (and no I am not talking Liverpool, City and Arsenal now) - but they have found a way to play that works. And I am not saying all of the blame is Amorim's - of course not. Not even the majority of the blame - but regardless of how you look at it, he has turned a really bad team into an awful team. Worse than we were under ETH - and of course he has to take some of the blame for that.

When he constantly tries different combination and none of them works - when he only can get the players to fight against top-teams. Of course he has to take a lot of the blame as well. A really good manager adapts - a really good manager doesn't operate in just one system. Amorim's stubbornness to only play 3-4-3 which doesn't work iwth the players we have - might pay off in the long run - but it could also hurt us so much in the short run that he could get fired.

And I for one - do not understand how we could run over Everton in one of the first games, never to see that kind of performance ever again. Many of the games against weaker teams - we might as well go all-in attack and push them all over the pitch - at least then I could excuse him if we lost. But for games like this - nope
 
lysglimt said:
Everyone saying do not blame Amorim - but player for player we are not a worse team than many of the teams who are well above us (and no I am not talking Liverpool, City and Arsenal now) - but they have found a way to play that works. And I am not saying all of the blame is Amorim's - of course not. Not even the majority of the blame - but regardless of how you look at it, he has turned a really bad team into an awful team. Worse than we were under ETH - and of course he has to take some of the blame for that.

When he constantly tries different combination and none of them works - when he only can get the players to fight against top-teams. Of course he has to take a lot of the blame as well. A really good manager adapts - a really good manager doesn't operate in just one system. Amorim's stubbornness to only play 3-4-3 which doesn't work iwth the players we have - might pay off in the long run - but it could also hurt us so much in the short run that he could get fired.

And I for one - do not understand how we could run over Everton in one of the first games, never to see that kind of performance ever again. Many of the games against weaker teams - we might as well go all-in attack and push them all over the pitch - at least then I could excuse him if we lost. But for games like this - nope
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I think we have amongst the worst central midfield and striker.
 
These young guys we are signing right now won't change anything either. We need proper wc players in their prime to put us out of this misery
 
He's safe for this season but there are few foundations of trust being built. He's under pressure as soon as a few of 'his' signings come in.
 
Banana Republic said:
I watched us go down in 1974 (we were bad).
Witnessed the drab Dave Sexton period (it was awful).
Thrilled and despaired through the ups and downs of Big Ron’s tenure.
That’s before this last, almost 12 years, since SAF stepped down.
Where we are is down there with the final season with Ole and then Ralf in charge.
It’s almost impossible to drum up some wild, blinkered optimism at this stage.

Utd were always big enough to come back.
A sleeping giant in our years of drought.
Now I really fear our time at the top table is drawing to a close.


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Would you say that we’re as bad now as we were in the season in which we were relegated?

I’ve only been following United since 2010, so it’s definitely the worst United I’ve ever seen, as well as of course the worst United by far in my nearly 26 year lifetime.
 
I must be watching a different set of players...when fans say man for man we are a better team then those above us. We categorically are not: our players can't pass, can't cross, can't defend, cant press, have no pace, lack athleticism, are too prone to defensive blunders, are mentally weak...the list is endless. We are exactly where we deserve to be in the league and change og formation isn't magically going to overcome all of the above.
 
pcaming said:
This upcoming summer is the last chance we have to save this club.
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It’s going to have to be drastic, like selling most of the squad - Rashford, Hjolund, Zirkzee, Casemiro, Garnacho, Mount, Martinez, Onana, Dalot, Malacia.

From that, we need to buy essentially a first class 11, forget about back up or bench players for the moment. I think this is really the only way to turn the tide, the rot has gone on for too long and it needs to ripped up and started again.
 
I'll say this - where teams are similar in level, a huge difference between them is usually the quality of the forwards. Back in the Fergie days, especially towards the end, we weren't playing everyone of the park, however, we usually had the best strike force, or at least one of the best around. This was even true but to a lesser extent during the best days of Ole's reign.

That did 2 things:
First, it kept teams honest while playing against us as they knew we'd ruthlessly punish any mistake. And so they were usually nervous when playing us.
Second, even in tight games, we normally walked away with the points because we had much better quality at both ends of the pitch than most opponents and took our chances better than other teams could manage. There were so many games where the opposition would feel hard done by because for all their endeavour, we'd quickly hit them with a couple of goals from nowhere and they'd just lose the will to fight.

This season in particular, we're usually at the other end of that equation :(
 
lysglimt said:
Everyone saying do not blame Amorim - but player for player we are not a worse team than many of the teams who are well above us (and no I am not talking Liverpool, City and Arsenal now) - but they have found a way to play that works. And I am not saying all of the blame is Amorim's - of course not. Not even the majority of the blame - but regardless of how you look at it, he has turned a really bad team into an awful team. Worse than we were under ETH - and of course he has to take some of the blame for that.
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Agreed. I’m getting tired of losing and am losing confidence in Amorim’s ability to turn things around.
 
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