With all the talk about your squad being weaker.....

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......why has there been so little questioning of your established players ?

I have seen quite a bit of your lot on TV over the past year and you know what strikes me??......Giggs and Beckham just do not appear to be as good as they were 2/3 years ago.In fact,they regularly put in ordinary (ie poor) performances.So do you Mancs agree.....they just don't seem as good any more ?!
 
Thats one of the problems when a successful team start to encounter problems..

The established players who have done so much for the team seem to escape criticism. Everyone remembers all they've done, and knows how good they are...

Giggs and Beckham are the players that stood out above all others in respect that other teams did not have anyone of their ilk or quality in recent times IMO....and they also led to terrific balance in the Manc midfield..
 
Nice post.

Now, go away, you are talking pony.

It's natural that players will start to slow down. This coupled with the fact that everyone's onto their gameplay, they get marked out of the game sometimes. They have to reinvent their game and find other ways to make the difference.

Giggs and Becks' workrate is outstanding, and I don't believe that for one minute that you actually believe what you are posting. Methinks that you are trying to post just to get reactions.

mmmmm.

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You's may be right

No team is excempt from this 'Blindness'

We've seen a million times on here before, some dont want to realise the truth that some of their fave stars are giving it feck all week in week out.

Others cant be bothered to mention it cos of the tedious 'Call youself a real fan' retorts but inside we all know

Icidentally, why are Arsenal shat at the moment?

;)
 
Originally posted by markorm:
<strong>Nice post.

Now, go away, you are talking pony.

It's natural that players will start to slow down. This coupled with the fact that everyone's onto their gameplay, they get marked out of the game sometimes. They have to reinvent their game and find other ways to make the difference.

Giggs and Becks' workrate is outstanding, and I don't believe that for one minute that you actually believe what you are posting. Methinks that you are trying to post just to get reactions.

mmmmm.

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No,I genuinely believe they are not showing the form they once did.Obviously,I can understand why you would be in denial....it must be difficult for you Mancs to criticise them after their feats of yester year.

But,you know,I find your response revealing .....now let's see .......

'....you are talking pony.'

and

'It's natural that players will start to slow down'

Hmmm...so I'm talking pony BUT they have slowed down ??....so they aren't as good....old age??!!
Listen,that's all I'm saying...they are not as effective or as good as they once were.A fact that you seem to agree with.It's clear you are in denial and fail to see the contradiction in your own response. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Stanley Road:
<strong>You's may be right

No team is excempt from this 'Blindness'

We've seen a million times on here before, some dont want to realise the truth that some of their fave stars are giving it feck all week in week out.

Others cant be bothered to mention it cos of the tedious 'Call youself a real fan' retorts but inside we all know

Icidentally, why are Arsenal shat at the moment?

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Just a temporary blip,my son.....just a blip......remember ,we are the best team in England !! (Arsene knows !) :D
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
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we are the best team in England !! (Arsene knows !) :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Good, i'm glad he knows

It's just everyone else that is unaware of the fact ;)

Least you can sleep sound then
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Originally posted by Stanley Road:
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Good, i'm glad he knows

It's just everyone else that is unaware of the fact ;)

Least you can sleep sound then</strong><hr></blockquote>

At the risk of stating the obvious,I think it is reasonable to refer to the League Champions as the best team in England.....don't you?? :D
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I would, although there are a few mickeys on here that'd argue otherwise

Last seasons champs?

It's a bit like buying a new car, as soon as you drive it off the forecourt it's value depreciates

Know what i mean?

;)
 
I always go back to the saying that form is temporary, but class is permanent.

TO say Giggs and Becks have been poor for two-three years is ridiculous. Towards the end of last season before his injury, Becks was outstanding. As for Giggsy, he is still a great player. He and Becks scores 30 goals between them last season. Probably more than the whole of Liverpools midfield....

Our form this season has been due to injuries and poor form.

However, I know that I would rather be in the position where nobody has hit top form (except possibly PNev), than where nearly everyone has hit top form like Liverpool.
 
Originally posted by MPTutd:
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Our form this season has been due to injuries and poor form.

However, I know that I would rather be in the position where nobody has hit top form (except possibly PNev), than where nearly everyone has hit top form like Liverpool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why do you say that?

The majority of our players have simply continued where they left off last season...

Owen had a dreadful start to the season, and now he's joint top goalscorer in the league...

I'd prefer to be in a position where we're clear at the top of the table than any other...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Why do you say that?

The majority of our players have simply continued where they left off last season...

Owen had a dreadful start to the season, and now he's joint top goalscorer in the league...

I'd prefer to be in a position where we're clear at the top of the table than any other...</strong><hr></blockquote>

But only Gerrard is not playing well compared to other seasons.

Compared to other seasons (inc last), Ruud, Giggs, Becks, Ole are playing poorly and Rio, Butt, Keane and GNev have spent half their season on the sidelines.
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One of the main reasons that United didn’t win the league last season, which we have to accept, was that the Arse were the best side in the country. Last season. This season if you look at the league table it appears Liverpool are the best team in the country. If you look at European performances, United have a case. If you look at style of football in the early part of the season, you’ld have to accept it was Arsenal. However, it’s early November and you get sod all for being the best so far. As far as Becks & Giggs are concerned, I think last season and early this you’ld be right about Giggs but that’s changed recently and he’s been back to his best. Becks has played to a high standard after a poor start to last season. I think both are affected by the injury situation. Becks plays best when Gary Neville is in the team. Both he and Giggs are best when we have Keano or Nicky Butt available which lets them be a bit more cavalier going forward. Biggest problem we have at the moment is lack of cover for Ruud in terms of someone who can hold the ball with a meaty centre back or three climbing all over him and link up the play. Hopefully that’ll get solved in January. And then it’ll be game on. One of us will win the league. Past history shows that experience is the key thing in the second half of the season – imo that favours Arsenal & Utd, Liverpool have too many new players who will feel the pressure. But whoever wins it will deserve it and have the right to call themselves the best in the country.
 
Originally posted by MPTutd:
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But only Gerrard is not playing well compared to other seasons.

Compared to other seasons (inc last), Ruud, Giggs, Becks, Ole are playing poorly and Rio, Butt, Keane and GNev have spent half their season on the sidelines.</strong><hr></blockquote>

and you think thats a good thing? You assume that all the players mentioned will suddenly return to their best, or that our players will suddenly all start playing badly..

Consistency is what you need...
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Its encouraging to see you suffer a few problems Gillespie..

Defence looks a bit shaky at the moment</strong><hr></blockquote>


To be honest,we have looked less than secure defensively recently.......but we do seem to suffer a dip in form at this time of the year (remember Newcastle at Highbury last year?).
But I do think we'll turn it round soon (hopefully against Newcastle tomorrow).
I think the league is definitely between us and you Scousers (the Mancs will probably finish 3rd again)
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Originally posted by MPTutd:
<strong>I always go back to the saying that form is temporary, but class is permanent.

TO say Giggs and Becks have been poor for two-three years is ridiculous. Towards the end of last season before his injury, Becks was outstanding. As for Giggsy, he is still a great player. He and Becks scores 30 goals between them last season. Probably more than the whole of Liverpools midfield....

Our form this season has been due to injuries and poor form.

However, I know that I would rather be in the position where nobody has hit top form (except possibly PNev), than where nearly everyone has hit top form like Liverpool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't say they were poor for 2/3 years.Just that they are not as good as they were 2/3 years ago.This season,Beckham and Giggs have been mediocre at best.
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feck, don't you guys get it? it's SAF playing both becks and giggs out of their positions that's why they're not top form.

won't take more than second grade student to see this.

if SAF plays becks and giggs wide out we will see their performances.

you stupid scoushit and arseholes better beware. once giggs and becks adapt to SAF new style you will both be in a big feckin trouble.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>feck, don't you guys get it? it's SAF playing both becks and giggs out of their positions that's why they're not top form.

won't take more than second grade student to see this.

if SAF plays becks and giggs wide out we will see their performances.

you stupid scoushit and arseholes better beware. once giggs and becks adapt to SAF new style you will both be in a big feckin trouble.</strong><hr></blockquote>#

Even for a Manc,I can't believe you're that stupid :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
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Even for a Manc,I can't believe you're that stupid :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

instead of the abuse, why not enlighten me why you think i'm stupid. it's really uneduacted of you (surprise surprise) arse fan to comment without reasoning. go on, show your wits if you have any. i'm in for a good debate, but if you have to resort to name calling because it hurts your brain to think then i'll pass.
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I agree, ive believed that for awhile now, Giggsy has only flashes of brilliance and Becks hasnt had a good game for a long time now, hopefully they can rediscover there form soon!
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Why do you say that?

The majority of our players have simply continued where they left off last season...

Owen had a dreadful start to the season, and now he's joint top goalscorer in the league...

I'd prefer to be in a position where we're clear at the top of the table than any other...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah right, It's obvious that you don't have a creative mid, Gerrard hasn't been the same since Viera (the guy Keano scored twice against) took him to the cleaners in the FA cup (a fact Gerrard admitted in an interview), also can Gerrard not pass sideways, not all passes have to be 50 yds.One of SAF's best quotes were "Roy Keane has a terrible habit of passing the ball to a man in a red shirt"- need I say anymore. Keano without doubt is the best CM we have ever had.
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IMO Beckham hasn't been as good as he used to be since changing his gameplay. He was a very good crosser but now when he's trying to be the ultimate all-around midfielder (what he clearly is uncapable of) hes most effective (and only if dead ball situations excluded) weapon, crossing, isn't even near what is used to be.

Giggs it still superb though although he hasn't been too consistent lately.
 
Originally posted by Gillespie:
<strong>......why has there been so little questioning of your established players ?

I have seen quite a bit of your lot on TV over the past year and you know what strikes me??......Giggs and Beckham just do not appear to be as good as they were 2/3 years ago.In fact,they regularly put in ordinary (ie poor) performances.So do you Mancs agree.....they just don't seem as good any more ?!</strong><hr></blockquote>

You appear to be a bit selective in your observations. We are talking about a loss of form here. Would you have been saying Beckham was going downhill after the Greece game, I think not.
Both players are in a side struggling to cope with injuries, and so have had to adapt their roles with every game. Their form will return when the injured players return! :cool:
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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instead of the abuse, why not enlighten me why you think i'm stupid. it's really uneduacted of you (surprise surprise) arse fan to comment without reasoning. go on, show your wits if you have any. i'm in for a good debate, but if you have to resort to name calling because it hurts your brain to think then i'll pass.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Listen,here :
1)I started this thread with a valid question based upon the blind loyalty shown to 2 players who haven't been doing it for some time
2)Your analysis assumes they will turn around the teaems performance once they start to play wide....not recognising that the malaise is deeper than you think (even Fergie admits your squad isn't strong enough,borne out in dramatic style by yesterday's debacle)
and
3)You started the abuse,how do you expect me to respond :rolleyes:
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