Why we rarely score 4 goals or more under ETH?

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Just realized that we only scored 4 goals or more in a game 1 time this season - against Aston Villa in EFL cup, we never did it in the league.

Why we rarely score 4 goals or more under ETH even though Rashford is flying? Us playing poorly is certainly not a reason, as we managed to score 4 goals or more in more games in our poor seasons post-Fergie.

Times we score 4 goals or more in a season all comps:

Fergie era:
06-07: 9
07-08: 12
08-09: 9
09-10: 10
10-11: 7
11-12: 8
12-13: 9
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Moyes era:
13-14: 7

LVG era:
14-15: 2
15-16: 2

Mourinho era (last shared with Ole):
16-17: 6
17-18: 9 (we started many 4-0/4-1 results)
18-19: 3

Ole era (last shared with Rangnick):
19-20: 8
20-21: 7
21-22: 3

Ten Hag era:
22-23: 1
 
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The most obvious conclusion is that we’ve played the entire season without a proper striker.

We’re also quite a pragmatic side, which has worked to our benefit so far.

It’s impressive just how well we’ve done considering the state of our striking options.
 
Kag said:
The most obvious conclusion is that we’ve played the entire season without a proper striker.

We’re also quite a pragmatic side, which has worked to our benefit so far.

It’s impressive just how well we’ve done considering the state of our striking options.
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Yes, us having a past-it ronaldo in 1st half and having a burnley striker in the 2nd half of season, with martial perpetually injured, doesn't help us. We are deprived of ~30 goals a season as a result of that alone.

Can't imagine how good we will be if we add a top class striker to our team.
 
JeffFromHK said:
Just realized that we only scored 4 goals or more in a game 1 time this season - against Aston Villa in EFL cup, we never did it in the league.

Why we rarely score 4 goals or more under ETH even though Rashford is flying? Us playing poorly is certainly not a reason, as we managed to score 4 goals or more in more games in our poor seasons post-Fergie.

Times we score 4 goals or more in a season all comps:

Fergie era:
06-07: 9
07-08: 12
08-09: 9
09-10: 10
10-11: 7
11-12: 8
12-13: 9
--------------------------------------------
Moyes era:
13-14: 7

LVG era:
14-15: 2
15-16: 2

Mourinho era (last shared with Ole):
16-17: 6
17-18: 9 (we started many 4-0/4-1 results)
18-19: 3

Ole era (last shared with Rangnick):
19-20: 8
20-21: 7
21-22: 3

Ten Hag era:
22-23: 1
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Shoots that looks a damning stats on the current Manager, when you look at how shit we were under previous management but they all some how managed to get the team scoring goals.

I think the reason for this cause we don't have that striker who wants to score more than one goal a game, i mean that striker who is in ruthless with the slightest sight at goal, I do believe if Martial had stayed fit for most of the season we might have scored more than we have though.

I think ETH we'll be looking at this as a department we can improve greatly on, hopefully we'll see some improvements in the coming fixtures.
 
Because we don't have good strikers?

Is this really complicated? During the SAF years, we had 4 top-tier strikers, at the same time. Everyone is saying that we need a world-class striker. Our main striker is a loan!
 
frostbite said:
Because we don't have good strikers?

Is this really complicated? During the SAF years, we had 4 top-tier strikers, at the same time. Everyone is saying that we need a world-class striker. Our main striker is a loan!
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:lol:Why doesn't Wout score as many as peak Ronaldo, Rooney or still prime RVP?
We need the midfield to be able to dominate more too.
There are far more useful metrics by which to measure ETH by -win %, team cohesion, defensive solidity etc..- and he's doing well on most of this those.
 
Only one consistent goal threat in Rashford and mostly pragmatic tactics because of a bad start.

We should've scored 4 or more in at least one of the EL games but we had Ronaldo.
 
We havent put up big scores on a regular basis in years, from long before Ten Hag arrived.
 
It's ridiculous, we have no chance of scoring 4 today. Antony and Weghorst never score, Bruno is going through a lean patch too.
 
It's not just about the strikers - if you look at our team:

Varane and Martinez average about 1 goal pr season, Shaw and AWB/Dalot - even less.
Casemiro for all his qualities isn't a typical goalscorer - he scored 3-4 goal on average at Madrid
Eriksen scored 8-10 goals at Spurs - but during the last 3-4 seasons he has contributed much less at scoring

Add to that - Antony never scored a lot of goals at Ajax, Sancho has never regained his form at Dortmund and Martial has been injured a lot.

Needless to say - it's hard to score a lot of goals if your team consists of 7-8 players who combined scored maybe 10 goals each season and 2-3 who score regularly :)
 
I think the biggest difference from Fergie era to now is the improvement in quality of the lesser teams. Promoted teams are investing more money in transfers than some of the European powerhouses and with extra money in the game, coaching has also improved. Any team has a chance on their day so I would take in control 1-2 goal wins all day long
 
The thing is, even when we were shite under the other managers at various points, we could still choose between the likes of Van Persie, Ibrahimovic, Lukaku and Cavani during these lean periods. In spite of the varying levels of success they had, or indeed their ages, all of them at the point of arrival would be huge upgrades on our current options.

Honestly, Ten Hag is working miracles with this lot.
 
izak said:
Shoots that looks a damning stats on the current Manager, when you look at how shit we were under previous management but they all some how managed to get the team scoring goals.

I think the reason for this cause we don't have that striker who wants to score more than one goal a game, i mean that striker who is in ruthless with the slightest sight at goal, I do believe if Martial had stayed fit for most of the season we might have scored more than we have though.

I think ETH we'll be looking at this as a department we can improve greatly on, hopefully we'll see some improvements in the coming fixtures.
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Ten Hag is trying to win games, I think he started with getting less goals against and try to win with one or two goals. Scoring more goals is nice but not always necessary to win games. We need a much better number 9 to score more goals. Or better wingers if Rashford stays as number 9. He is implementing his style by starting with the press and getting less goals against, the attacking phase will come.
 
After 6 years there is no such thing as a tin pot trophy. If we are striving to challenge for the league and ucl next season we should be able to handle top 4 and "tin pot trophies".

Newcastle and Barca are at the same level for me. Winning against Barcelona then getinng a trophy on the weekend could give us incredible momentum and confidence.
 
frostbite said:
Because we don't have good strikers?

Is this really complicated? During the SAF years, we had 4 top-tier strikers, at the same time. Everyone is saying that we need a world-class striker. Our main striker is a loan!
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This. If Cole or Yorke were poor we had Ole and Sherringham on the bench. Now we cant rely on one good striker. We need a WC striker and either promote or buy an 18-20 year old as backup. Thats still 2 short of what our golden years had, but a vast improvement.
 
On top of our lack of options upfront, we’ve also regularly taken off one of our attackers and pushed Bruno wide to protect our leads e.g. in the Fulham match just before the World Cup. At this stage I think ETH’s priority is to rack up points rather than to entertain.
 
We're not a great attacking team yet? :confused:

IMO you've arrived as a great attacking team when opposing teams set up for a point before the ball has been kicked.
 
Aside from the lack of a top tier striker, I think one of the main reasons is that we don’t have the squad depth and have to make a lot substitutions towards the end of games.

So rather than going for the jugular when we’re 2 or 3 up we rest players and bring on people like Elanga.
 
Ten Hag cant even beat Southhampton 9-0. Absolute waste of a manager. Get rid.
 
Who's going to score the goals? Rashfords the only productive player in that front line
 
No good CFs. I wouldn't worry about ETH teams' ability to score. If his 3-1-6 formation in possession can't score, I don't know what can.

Ajax goals in Eredivisie:

17/18 - 89 (ETH took over halfway)
18/19 - 119
19/20 - 68 (half the season was not played due to Covid + the CL team was completely poached)
20/21 - 102
21/22 - 98
 
I think the game at the moment shows why we're not doing it this season, once we get in a comfortable position we have to take our main players off because of the mad schedule, and then we take our foot off the gas too. We might get a 4th here yet, but that's the main reason for me.
 
City probably score 6-7 this game. But christ we have some brain dead and/or arrogant players. Such stupid football in the box
 
Not clinical enough is the right answer. We create tons of chances
 
Lights Out said:
Aside from the lack of a top tier striker, I think one of the main reasons is that we don’t have the squad depth and have to make a lot substitutions towards the end of games.

So rather than going for the jugular when we’re 2 or 3 up we rest players and bring on people like Elanga.
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Exactly what happened today
 
We were obsessed with trying to get weghorst a goal for the last 20 minutes today. Would've been 4 or 5 you'd imagine if we were a little more clever about it.
 
Skills said:
That wasn't about being clinical. That was arrogant some of the things we were doing in the box.
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Clinical can come under that aswell. Sometimes greed over takes some players.
 
DJ_21 said:
Clinical can come under that aswell. Sometimes greed over takes some players.
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They weren't greedy though. Stupid, unnecessary passes/lay offs when you can actually shoot. It was pure arrogance.
 
Skills said:
They weren't greedy though. Stupid, unnecessary passes/lay offs when you can actually shoot. It was pure arrogance.
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Ye sometimes it’s that but other times it has been players being greedy. Sancho could have played in Elanga or Fernandes when he got a rebound of his shot.
 
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