Why does SAF really want Ferdinand?

WeasteDevil

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And why is he willing to pay so much to land him?

Well, let us take a look at it in general terms.

We currently have a central defence that consists of Blanc, Brown, and O'Shea, so we obviously need a new defender to be put into that mix, and then another to come next year.

Many think that we should try to solve our central defensive problems right now and buy a Nesta and an Ayala.

What is the point in this however? A reasonably young Italian who many think is the best defender in the World, but we don't know if he could fit into the PL, and an ageing Argentinian defender (who I think is the best in the the world), who we also don't know how he would fit into the PL. We can ask for any quality CB in the world, but that question is always there - how will he fit in?

That is the difference with Ferdinand, we know that he will fit in. But will he be able to perform in Europe? Rio has only ever tried it once at that high level, where Ayala has been in the thick of things - at the very thick of things more than once.

Nesta and Ayala would IMO provide us with far better CL winning potential at this moment in time, but would not work so well in the PL environment.

So, it comes back to the original question. Why, when SAF covets the European Cup more than anything else, why does he choose to pick Rio Ferdinand?

Well, it's obvious really. Rio can help us to regain the PL, of that there is no doubt depending on who he is partnered with. With Blanc, we will not win the PL IMO.

Rio could also help us have a better crack at the whip on the European stage, but for that he needs to be partnered with Blanc for the CL games.

So, what is all leading to?

Well, it's all to do with age isn't it?

We might pay way over the odds for Rio right now, but what Fergie has on his mind is the long term well being of Manchester United. Think about it, we have a 21 year old Irish lad, and if we get Ferdinand, a 23 year old Rio and a 22 year old called Wes Brown. The two of them look like they will be the linchpin of Englands central defence for ten years after the next European Camps. Both playing in the same team at club level and international level.

And what about O'Shea? Where does he fit in? This is the main dilema, but as he is so young it really doesn't matter right now. Brown could be being groomed to replace Gary Neville at right back, with Rio and O'Shea in the middle.

Think about it, just for a few extra million quid, we will be puting together a very young backline (include Silvestre), that could play for us for the next 10 years as a unit, and is composed of the three best defensive talents playing in England today.

SAF isn't daft.

He's delivering us another sackfull of PL titles as well as a few European Cups to go with them. Oh, and Verón will have something to do with that too!

Rant over. :)
 
I mean, it's obvious why SAF wants to spend so much, as a back line looking like this:

--- Brown ------ O'Shea ------ Rio ---- Silvestre ---

For example. :)

Would last for near 10 years, and played week in week out, would become awesome!

IMO :)
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
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He didnt do to bad on the World stage!!!!

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Different matter at club level, and you know it!
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Different matter at club level, and you know it!</strong><hr></blockquote>

There aint much difference in quality:

Between eg. Brazils attack and Real's attack.

What im getting at - if he can handle his own for England, he should be able to do it for us, at home or in Europe.
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
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There aint much difference in quality:

Between eg. Brazils attack and Real's attack.

What im getting at - if he can handle his own for England, he should be able to do it for us, at home or in Europe.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The problem is, is that it doesn't work like that does it!

Look at Vieri for example.

Club football is far more intense. Most players of other countries couldn't give a shit about it to be honest. Beckham is one of the exceptions.
 
Anyway, you're picking and choosing the parts of the argument you want. Answer the whole question I placed for once!

And I'm not drunk before you say it.
 
The question is, is SAF being fickle, or is he really building a back line for long after he has left?

He's building a back line that will be fantastic for many many years IMO - and will be at its peak long after he has gone.

He's class is SAF!
 
It would have been simpler if you had stated your questions seperately.

I dont want to read your post twice cos I think you are wrong.

Answer this question.

Who have the better strikers?

Real or Brazil.
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>It would have been simpler if you had stated your questions seperately.

I dont want to read your post twice cos I think you are wrong.

Answer this question.

Who have the better strikers?

Real or Brazil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're changing the theme of the post divvy! But you always do! You're worse than Davo.
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>I dont want to read your post twice cos I think you are wrong.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You never read it properly in the first place, you just want to create trouble!
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>The question is, is SAF being fickle, or is he really building a back line for long after he has left?

He's building a back line that will be fantastic for many many years IMO - and will be at its peak long after he has gone.

He's class is SAF!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I dont think the board would allow him to spend 30 million plus on a player that isnt gonna be worth anything when SAF retires. ie Thuram or Ayala etc.

Rio is not the same sort of buy as Veron was last year. Veron was a last throw of the dice buy. Rio isnt.

I personally dont think SAF is worried about building a youthful squad, for the next 10 years, but maybe the board are restricting his buys (thinking of the next manager)
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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You're changing the theme of the post divvy! But you always do! You're worse than Davo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Im making my point.

You said Rio isnt up to scratch at European level. I say he is and asked you to say why. The whole Real and Brazil thing was to show you that if he has excelled against the best in the world, why wouldnt he against the best in europe?


If I was looking for trouble - id just call you a gay twat!
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
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I dont think the board would allow him to spend 30 million plus on a player that isnt gonna be worth anything when SAF retires. ie Thuram or Ayala etc.

Rio is not the same sort of buy as Veron was last year. Veron was a last throw of the dice buy. Rio isnt.

I personally dont think SAF is worried about building a youthful squad, for the next 10 years, but maybe the board are restricting his buys (thinking of the next manager)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ayala would only cost 12-15m, and at the moment is by far a better CB than Rio (maybe not in the PL, but in Europe without a doubt), so what are you talking about? Of course SAF is trying to rebuild our defence in the form that it could play together for near 10 years. Rio is not an instant fix - Nesta or Ayala would be.
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
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Im making my point.

You said Rio isnt up to scratch at European level.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No I didn't say that! I said he has only played at that level once (come on European club level is far higher than international selection level), and that he has only had one crack at that cherry and was shown up. So was Brown!

They are bloody young players!
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>Who have the better strikers?

Real or Brazil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That question Paul is not making any point, it is changing the subject!
 
It's just a shame that there is nobody else here who knows about football - this, as always, get's into you disagreeing with me for no reason.

Go on then, tell us Paul, tell us why you think SAF is willing to pay so much for Rio?

Be constuctive for once instead of your constant negative criticism of other people's opinions!

Try it! :)
 
You are praising SAF for trying to build a youthful back 4.

Im saying I believe its the board who have told him he cant bid for Thuram. (yes because of the age thing) so his only option is Rio.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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That question Paul is not making any point, it is changing the subject!</strong><hr></blockquote>


It is......

Its arguing your statement about 'Rio not good enough yet for Europe'.

Im saying - he is.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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No I didn't say that! I said he has only played at that level once (come on European club level is far higher than international selection level), and that he has only had one crack at that cherry and was shown up. So was Brown!

They are bloody young players!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Am I wrong in thinking Rio was with Leeds when they reached the last 4 of the CL?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>this, as always, get's into you disagreeing with me for no reason.

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Im disagreeing because I think Rio is good enough to play at European Level.

You dont.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Now give your opinion!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think your analysis is quite good. And I appreciate the fact that Sir Alex is trying to build something that will last even when he is gone. As you say, us having a settled back four is half the battle won already. One thing though, I believe Rio WILL do well in CL. He has already proved last year that he is becoming more and more consistent. His concentration has got better and I honestly believe that he will do very well in Europe.
 
I'm inclined to agrreing with Weasal Devil. I think Wes is likely to take over from Gary if O'shea comes of age. And a back four like that would be awesom and would last as long as Arsenals famous five
 
yea, i agree with "WeasteDevil" too.

Ferdinand could be a costly 30million pounds, but if he's gonna remain at Man Utd and serve for 10 years, it would actually be 3m per year.

Compared to Nesta, who's playing days are about 7 years left, and costing arnd 25million, Rio is a better buy.

Ayala and Thuram are all nearing their playing days, so why buy another Blanc? 15million for someone who can can only play for another 2-3 seasons... not worthit.

So, Fergie must be thinking of something for the future, when he steps down, Man Utd will still be just as strong. Brown and Rio pairing, it just cant get any better. I reckon this pairing to be the world's best in the next World Cup. ;)
 
Two points re the Waste rant:

1 - Ayala is hardly what I would call ageing. Put him up against Larry and he's quite the spring chicken. I think Ayala has been dismissed to easily by some, I would want him if Rio doesn't come.

2 - As for your team for the next ten years, do you really think Silvestre will play in his least favourite position for ten years?
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>It would have been simpler if you had stated your questions seperately.

I dont want to read your post twice cos I think you are wrong.

Answer this question.

Who have the better strikers?

Real or Brazil.</strong><hr></blockquote>


the difference is, United play an attacking style where everyone likes to push foward.. making defending impossble at times.. England on the other hand, play like liverpool.. a strong defensive unit at the back..don't give much away thus aren't very adventurous... So maybe defenders look better playing for england... than they do for United.

Rio will be a great acquisition , whether he'll be as good as he was at the world cup..is something we'll have to wait and see...
 
Let`s hand it to weastedevil - he makes much better sense than some people on this board even when he is drunk!

Forget the hype about over-priced Europeans and Argentinians. Anyone think Rio is over-priced? Although Leeds are playing games and pushing Rio`s value above what it it is worth, let`s hope Manchester United concentrates on getting the best young defender in the Premiership and accepts it is going to have to pay more than it should.

We could get Nesta, Thuram et al for a cheaper price but their prices would still be over the 20 million pound mark and if you think they will be better than Rio in the Premiership then you probably believe that Michael Owen did not throw himself over in the England-Argentina game (although I am happy he did as most of the Argies are dishonest arseholes on the pitch).

Sir Alex Ferguson wants to create a youthful defence with a youthful, yet experienced player in Rio. Let`s hope Manchester United keeps pushing for Rio even if it means too much money is paid - we will be rewarded handsomely for an over-payment. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
 
--- Brown ------ O'Shea ------ Rio ---- Silvestre ---????????????

I know I'm not a Man Utd supporter but I just can't see this working. But then again Rio played with Mills and Harte who were both complete liabilities last season so who knows?
 
Spot on Elmo.

What's this all about really? We need to build our defence around Rio now, assuming we get him, and do it better than Leeds did. Gary Neville is good for another 5-7 years so he stays. Larry will be gone next year so perhaps, and that's a big perhaps O'Shea or Brown may step up. I have my doubts about Brown and think O'Shea may need another year or two playing 10 games a season. Silvestre isn't all he's cracked up to be by many United fans if you ask me. He's got his good points and his bad points. Unfortunately his good points are going forward and his bad points are defending. He also doesn't want to play left back. So how he figures in a ten year plan at LB I don't know.