Why do managers decline and not dominate forever?

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You can understand with players that as they get older they wont be as good their younger self. A 25 year old Messi was better than a 35 year old Messi, A 25 year old Ronaldo was better than a 35 year old Ronaldo.

But why do managers decline? They have no excuse right? Mourinho for example, he's definitely not as good was he was back in 2004-2010 but why not? I mean if anything he should just as good if not better with all his experience and knowledge he now has. Wenger, Capello, Van Gaal, Benitez, you could go on, they all declined. Why couldn't they be as a good they were back in the 90s/00s?

What is it down to? Not adapting to modern day tactics? Their style of management 20-25 years ago not working in the current age? I'm sure they're all clever enough to change and adapt.
 
Because building a team isn't just up to the manager, and once you face a failure or two your reputation suffers. Perfect example for this is Ancelotti, after so much success he couldn't even make it work at Everton, but when Madrid gave him a shot again, he proved he's still world class. Mourinho after United was never going to make miracles with Spurs or Roma, which made things worse for him, but I bet if you give him a shot at Madrid he'd still do a great job.

So imo managers don't decline, some might find it too stressful or lose passion, but most just suffer from the incredible high expectations.
 
Most managers refuse to adapt to a changing environment, be it tactically or socially. They may find something that works for a while, but they have a hard time adjusting to conditions when they get figured out.
 
I think its a number of things.

Their tactics get found out and countered, so they start losing more games and interest from clubs starts to decline.

They find themselves less in touch with youth culture.

I also think a lot of them lose the fire to keep reinventing themselves by continuing to adapt to the times.
 
Being one of the very elite managers in the world is an all encompassing job that includes getting so many facets correct. Doing so for a really extended period of time is statistically unlikely.

Especially when the sport is trying everything to catch up with you. It's why people like Sir Alex, Pep, Ancelotti are so special in ways totally unique to themselves.

I'm not sure managers decline, I think that the very peak of football is such a challenging space that you need to get so much right that it just becomes odds on that most can't stay there forever.

Moyes hasn't declined, Hodgson hasn't declined, Steve Bruce hasn't declined. These things only become more pronounced where the air gets very thin.

I think Jose is the most unique because I think he had all the tools to continue being elite in the modern day and adjust his tactical ideas but he has certain personality defects that make him extremely stubborn and hinder him.
 
The age gap versus the players, especially for ex pros, reduces the changes of success for all bar a few outliers.
 
It’s always been their true levels. Many of them just get found out later on in their careers.
 
From what I’ve experienced, albeit at a different level of sport, but I believe the lessons apply…
Maintaining a championship side is harder than building one. On the competitive side of things, when you build a good side, you have the ability to surprise people & sometimes can be taken lightly by others and pick up some wins that way. Once you’re good, everyone knows you, they spend extra time preparing for you, etc. You have the target on your back.

Maintaining a championship level side is also very, very tiring and stressful on a personal level. The climb to being good isn’t as stressful. There is less expectation to manage and alot more positivity since, generally, things are moving up. That changes once you hit the top & the only options are really to maintain or drop… and then if you drop, the scrutiny comes in much harder than if you lose a game or two on the climb up. This leads to alot of internal pressure to minimize risk, which can, if you let it, end up killing off some to most of the creativity and risk taking that got you to the top in the first place, thus making you more predictable/ easier to scout/ easier to beat.
 
You can understand with players that as they get older they wont be as good their younger self. A 25 year old Messi was better than a 35 year old Messi, A 25 year old Ronaldo was better than a 35 year old Ronaldo.

But why do managers decline? They have no excuse right? Mourinho for example, he's definitely not as good was he was back in 2004-2010 but why not? I mean if anything he should just as good if not better with all his experience and knowledge he now has. Wenger, Capello, Van Gaal, Benitez, you could go on, they all declined. Why couldn't they be as a good they were back in the 90s/00s?

What is it down to? Not adapting to modern day tactics? Their style of management 20-25 years ago not working in the current age? I'm sure they're all clever enough to change and adapt.
A top coach or manager is studied down to the minutiae by their competitors and ever bit of extractable information about them, their character, tactics, tendencies and idiosyncrasies into exploits will be explored in ways it's hard to actually fathom. It is not casual analysis, it's obsessive deconstruction that requires so much energy and genius to quell or keep at bay - they get "found out" to the extent that what was previously working has to be rewritten and re-structured just to stay ahead of the chasing pack. Depending on the manager being chased, there is only a finite amount of times they can truly stay ahead of a whole sport trying to catch up with them, so it's not just a case of change and adapt; it's understanding why this is happening and knowing exactly what needs to be done to prevent that from happening. It's basically asking why a chess grandmaster can see 8 moves ahead instead of 6 or 7 as well as considering how much advantage there is in seeing that extra move or two, or having exactly what's needed to remedy any supposed solution to what you're doing.

The best coaches of a particular period have cracked a formula and, within that time period, they rinse it for all it's worth; the best of the best coaches are timeless; they have an innate understanding of the game, which means it cannot evolve past their capabilities as they simply see and understand what is happening and build methods as well as counter measures to whatever the problem presented is. In this case, it's about father time and their own enthusiasm to keep going, rather than them being caught up to. The coaches of an era can actually find themselves being called dinosaurs by the end of their own run - the irony being, they were once the innovator and one to catch, but so wedded to a system or method are they, on top of their own strictures of what is the right/wrong way to play that they can end up being gobbled up by those who either once looked up to them, or simply those who have made it their life's work to best them.

The greatest coaches are dynamic, ahead of the game and always innovating and reinventing things we might even say aren't broken. They are visionaries that lead the game rather than being led by it. They will often cull players or teams and start with a new batch, leaving most scratching their head as to why they've done that, especially if we follow the mantra of it ain't broken, so why is it being fixed? But their understanding and instincts are innate and they see and usher in change via reinvention and iteration #2, #3, #4 and so and so forth. This is manifest in someone like Ferguson having 3 wholly different great sides, with different characters, characteristics, instincts and intent or a Pep constantly throwing out what look like perfectly capable players in favour of something new; he too having numerous iterations and modifications across his teams, none who mirror the other. Michels, the same, and Cruyff. These are the kinds of managers who get bored or old (mostly old); the game never catches up to them, and whatever they were at this or that time is just a vapour because they will not be that 2-3 years down the line, which is why they cannot be boxed in or have single label that fits because what may have been true then, won't necessarily be true when they invariably reinvent themselves again.
 
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Because age affects everyone in every profession
 
Generally speaking.. The older you become
- you lose the ability to (quickly) adapt to a changing environment.
- you get more out of touch with the generation of players.
- your lose your speech abilities and therefore will have more problems getting your points across.
 
I doubt this is about age. Some managers become more of a charismatic personality with age. I think it's simply some managers are successful in specific conditions that are just super difficult to recreate. One transfer goes bad/good and it will decide whether he's successful or not. One key player becomes injury prone and the whole setup needs to be modified.

I also think clubs are more willing to give younger managers a chance as with Pep and his tactical approach the perception of coaching importance is bigger. We also tried this with Ten Hag what looked like the right decision at that time.
 
Young manager > works a certain way > is successful > focuses even more on working that way > continues to be successful for a while until >
Becomes old > new, younger managers show up, introduce new ways of working, are successful > old manager still works the same as always, is no longer successful because the young guys methods are better > is unwilling to change his ways and learn to copy the young guys, or even unable to do so > becomes obsolete
 
A top coach or manager is studied down to the minutiae by their competitors and ever bit of extractable information about them, their character, tactics, tendencies and idiosyncrasies into exploits will be explored in ways it's hard to actually fathom. It is not casual analysis, it's obsessive deconstruction that requires so much energy and genius to quell or keep at bay - they get "found out" to the extent that what was previously working has to be rewritten and re-structured just to stay ahead of the chasing pack. Depending on the manager being chased, there is only a finite amount of times they can truly stay ahead of a whole sport trying to catch up with them, so it's not just a case of change and adapt; it's understanding why this is happening and knowing exactly what needs to be done to prevent that from happening. It's basically asking why a chess grandmaster can see 8 moves ahead instead of 6 or 7 as well as considering how much advantage there is in seeing that extra move or two, or having exactly what's needed to remedy any supposed solution to what you're doing.

The best coaches of a particular period have cracked a formula and, within that time period, they rinse it for all it's worth; the best of the best coaches are timeless; they have an innate understanding of the game, which means it cannot evolve past their capabilities as they simply see and understand what is happening and build methods as well as counter measures to whatever the problem presented is. In this case, it's about father time and their own enthusiasm to keep going, rather than them being caught up to. The coaches of an era can actually find themselves being called dinosaurs by the end of their own run - the irony being, they were once the innovator and one to catch, but so wedded to a system or method are they, on top of their own strictures of what is the right/wrong way to play that they can end up being gobbled up by those who either once looked up to them, or simply those who have made it their life's work to best them.

The greatest coaches are dynamic, ahead of the game and always innovating and reinventing things we might even say aren't broken. They are visionaries that lead the game rather than being led by it. They will often cull players or teams and start with a new batch, leaving most scratching their head as to why they've done that, especially if we follow the mantra of it ain't broken, so why is it being fixed? But their understanding and instincts are innate and they see and usher in change via reinvention and iteration #2, #3, #4 and so and so forth. This is manifest in someone like Ferguson having 3 wholly different great sides, with different characters, characteristics, instincts and intent or a Pep constantly throwing out what look like perfectly capable players in favour of something new; he too having numerous iterations and modifications across his teams, none who mirror the other. Michels, the same, and Cruyff. These are the kinds of managers who get bored or old (mostly old); the game never catches up to them, and whatever they were at this or that time is just a vapour because they will not be that 2-3 years down the line, which is why they cannot be boxed in or have single label that fits because what may have been true then, won't necessarily be true when they invariably reinvent themselves again.
Great post.
 
Basically, it boils down to their ability to adapt and innovate to find solutions again, as the game (& other managers) catches up to them/their preferred methods. And the ability to adapt is strongly driven by, firstly their innate ability to do so but also hunger, desire and motivation.
 
A top coach or manager is studied down to the minutiae by their competitors and ever bit of extractable information about them, their character, tactics, tendencies and idiosyncrasies into exploits will be explored in ways it's hard to actually fathom. It is not casual analysis, it's obsessive deconstruction that requires so much energy and genius to quell or keep at bay - they get "found out" to the extent that what was previously working has to be rewritten and re-structured just to stay ahead of the chasing pack. Depending on the manager being chased, there is only a finite amount of times they can truly stay ahead of a whole sport trying to catch up with them, so it's not just a case of change and adapt; it's understanding why this is happening and knowing exactly what needs to be done to prevent that from happening. It's basically asking why a chess grandmaster can see 8 moves ahead instead of 6 or 7 as well as considering how much advantage there is in seeing that extra move or two, or having exactly what's needed to remedy any supposed solution to what you're doing.

The best coaches of a particular period have cracked a formula and, within that time period, they rinse it for all it's worth; the best of the best coaches are timeless; they have an innate understanding of the game, which means it cannot evolve past their capabilities as they simply see and understand what is happening and build methods as well as counter measures to whatever the problem presented is. In this case, it's about father time and their own enthusiasm to keep going, rather than them being caught up to. The coaches of an era can actually find themselves being called dinosaurs by the end of their own run - the irony being, they were once the innovator and one to catch, but so wedded to a system or method are they, on top of their own strictures of what is the right/wrong way to play that they can end up being gobbled up by those who either once looked up to them, or simply those who have made it their life's work to best them.

The greatest coaches are dynamic, ahead of the game and always innovating and reinventing things we might even say aren't broken. They are visionaries that lead the game rather than being led by it. They will often cull players or teams and start with a new batch, leaving most scratching their head as to why they've done that, especially if we follow the mantra of it ain't broken, so why is it being fixed? But their understanding and instincts are innate and they see and usher in change via reinvention and iteration #2, #3, #4 and so and so forth. This is manifest in someone like Ferguson having 3 wholly different great sides, with different characters, characteristics, instincts and intent or a Pep constantly throwing out what look like perfectly capable players in favour of something new; he too having numerous iterations and modifications across his teams, none who mirror the other. Michels, the same, and Cruyff. These are the kinds of managers who get bored or old (mostly old); the game never catches up to them, and whatever they were at this or that time is just a vapour because they will not be that 2-3 years down the line, which is why they cannot be boxed in or have single label that fits because what may have been true then, won't necessarily be true when they invariably reinvent themselves again.

Years ago I got an explanation from a Rugby coach. Basically young managers or coaches that have the drive to reach the top focus all their attention on the best and worst teams in order to undertand what works, what doesn't and why, that requires a lot of work and dedication that older manager don't want to or can't do in return when younger managers are the ones at the top.

In sports there are examples of coaches that have spent 25-30 years at the top but those are known to be very different, obsessed with being better every year and not married to a particular approach. Those generally reached the top for different reasons then the rest, my understanding is that they don't consider the top as the end.
 
You can understand with players that as they get older they wont be as good their younger self. A 25 year old Messi was better than a 35 year old Messi, A 25 year old Ronaldo was better than a 35 year old Ronaldo.

But why do managers decline? They have no excuse right? Mourinho for example, he's definitely not as good was he was back in 2004-2010 but why not? I mean if anything he should just as good if not better with all his experience and knowledge he now has. Wenger, Capello, Van Gaal, Benitez, you could go on, they all declined. Why couldn't they be as a good they were back in the 90s/00s?

What is it down to? Not adapting to modern day tactics? Their style of management 20-25 years ago not working in the current age? I'm sure they're all clever enough to change and adapt.
Not everyone is Sir Alex Ferguson.
 
Managing people in any industry is not just about having a philosophy and great ideas that magically get transferred to, and executed by your team.

It’s about having the energy and personality to instil your beliefs and ideas into other people. Having the discipline and stamina to problem solve and develop people consistently over time.

You can’t just put systems in place once and except them to remain relevant and adhered to forever - it’s a constant and always changing process that takes hard work and sacrifice every single day.

The guys who are best at it are invariably the hardest working and it’s only natural that the energy levels and dedication needed are a finite resource. All it takes is a slight dip in the standards you demand, or your attention to detail and the previous levels of performance can fall hard.

It’s why a guy like Fergie, who rebuilt great side after great side, without ever taking time off to regenerate is so damn impressive, and so rare to find in the game.
 
The manager's role is the loneliest and the most challenging job in football. Despite not being on the pitch, the manager tends to take most of the responsibility. He is also the cheapest cog to replace when things go wrong. Because of that the manager needs to be made of steel and he can't afford to question his core belief. If he does then others will as well and his career will end. That's why the finest managers tend to be the most difficult people around (SAF, Pep, Mourinho, LVG etc) who know exactly what they want and wouldn't change their way to no-one. Success tend to enforce that mentality. Its difficult to tell someone who won numerous league titles and a CL or two that there's a better way of doing football.

But what happens when those core believes aren't working anymore? Tactics change and what worked 5 years ago may not work anymore. Generational change is a real thing as well. What worked with players 10-15 years ago would be considered shocking by the modern player. Its so difficult for someone whose been incredibly successful with his tried and tested methods to scrap everything and change and most simply can't. A classic case of that is the famous Sacchi vs Allegri spat. Sacchi simply couldn't comprehend a world were top Serie A clubs had to resort to a more pragmatic style of football as opposed to when they could rely on the likes of Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard, Baresi and Maldini to utterly smash anyone in front of them with ease. He felt that Allegri's pragmatic style of football was an insult towards the Serie A rather then a necessary evil to a fading league.

So what about SAF? SAF was always a sporting director first and a manager second. His main area of interest was always that of choosing the right people for the right job and to motivate them into success. It was therefore noormal to him to delegate the on the pitch stuff to others and since he had an eye for talent he always went for the best in the job.
 
Sometimes things just change around you, advantages become less or disappear. Sometimes they appear.

This is on top of the whole being set in your ways thing.

Wenger got mentioned, and I don't say this to put him down, he was a great manager. He was unable to compete first with Chelsea and their wealth, and then City and theirs. They pushed him aside.

Arsenal became less attractive as these two became more attractive and he was fighting against it.

Vieira left a couple of seasons after Mourinho arrived at Chelsea, then Ashley Cole crossed over, Henry left the season after. Some of the old school were retiring.

When City came into money they picked up Clichy, Adebayor and Nasri from them, Fabregas was another big name that wanted out, then eventually RVP. They were often hitting trouble retaining players as the best they could do was a top 4 finish now that these new rivals had emerged and they became less of a magnet when it comes to signing players themselves.

Eventually they even fell out of the top 4 as well.

When he came in he had unique knowledge of French players which was a huge advanatge to him, plus there were other great signings to supplemement it. The advantage of knowing that market got wiped by new money and scouting networks becoming better. He was also big on nutrition and fitness, perhaps more than others before everyone arguably caught up.

I don't think he did anything wrong as such.
 
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Generally speaking the coaches that manage to last well into theit 60s tend to have exceptional human qualities in terms of communication, inter-relationships and empathy. They are able to form strong connections with the players, tailoring their approach to each player and thus managing to get the necessary buy in from them. That is the basis of management, in any profession

And then there is energy and passion for the job. The older you get, the more those tend to wane. Look at Klopp - officially retired from coaching and he's not even turned 60 yet
 
the first thing to mention is that some don't; SAF, Ancelotti, Pep have all kept the same or close to the same level and consistency.. there are others too but those are the stand-outs

so you can compare those outliers with the rest and see what the difference is, and i think it's mostly their motivation levels.. for those guys success is almost like a compulsion, a necessity in life

for the others the game just passes them by a bit like Mourinho and they don't adapt. And then you also have the energy levels, it's a high demanding job and takes it toll, just look at Klopp he looked exhausted and unwell at the end of his Liverpool reign. There is also cognitive and other types of health decline in older age to consider.

lastly the fact they are all financially secure and don't need to continue to be particularly successful to keep getting work, it makes sense that a bunch of them just start dialling it in after a while too
 
Years ago I got an explanation from a Rugby coach. Basically young managers or coaches that have the drive to reach the top focus all their attention on the best and worst teams in order to undertand what works, what doesn't and why, that requires a lot of work and dedication that older manager don't want to or can't do in return when younger managers are the ones at the top.

In sports there are examples of coaches that have spent 25-30 years at the top but those are known to be very different, obsessed with being better every year and not married to a particular approach. Those generally reached the top for different reasons then the rest, my understanding is that they don't consider the top as the end.
It's an interesting one in terms of what sits at the very top because the pool thins so much and details become so fine.

Using the example of Cruyff (because I've had been watching loads of video of him of late), his understanding of the game is mind-blowing and I think any true disciple of his who is going to go on and emulate him has to be on a similar plane of understanding (enter Pep), being able to break the game down to components, input their own code and reconstruct it again. This is a clip of Cruyff whilst still in his prime talking about English football, a game he'd just watched:



He's not looking at the game in terms of simply winning and losing; he's seeing the holes, the exploits, the ways to better manipulate the field. It stands the reason that for people like this, the game cannot leave them behind because they are so intrinsically processing it. They can teach it and coach it at a base level all the way up to all-time class, but further to that, they specialise in advancing it, innovating with it constantly and almost neurotically. Cruyff being the type to scrutinise his own theoretical thinking and improve upon it if deemed necessary. I think these elements are consistent amongst the best of the best.

Fergie is seen through a different lens, but his resource is people: staff, players, fans and all are infinite, so as long as there's age on his side, the pot could not run dry; great teams were assured.

So yeah, I think your final paragraph is accurate: these guys want to win, but the currency they use to do so is very different and infinitely renewable.
 
Mostly inability to adapt their approach.

With Jose and some others I also suspect they give less of a shit than before. They don't have as much to prove, and getting fired means they pick up a huge pay-off and get to put their feet up.
 
They don't keep up with modern football well enough or they lack resources.
 
Basically there are various reasons, some of which:

- They fail to adapt tactically to the changes of football, best example is Mourinho
- They lose passion and ambition
- They become too stubborn or over confident
- They work very good in an environment with their staff, but when they change country and staff things start to go wrong
- They choose the wrong clubs

Football at a high level is all about the small details, if 1 or 2 things go wrong, everything crumbles like domino pieces.
 
Mourinho for example, he's definitely not as good was he was back in 2004-2010 but why not? I mean if anything he should just as good if not better with all his experience and knowledge he now has.
I get the sense that after 2010 and the Inter win over Barcelona, Mourinho went from wanting to win, to wanting to win in a way where he's perceived as the hero.
 
The prevalent style of football changes every decade or so. Managers have to adapt or they quickly find themselves at the back of the pack.

Today's Tiki-taka High Pressing era will probably come to an end one day too.
 
Basically there are various reasons, some of which:

- They fail to adapt tactically to the changes of football, best example is Mourinho
- They lose passion and ambition
- They become too stubborn or over confident
- They work very good in an environment with their staff, but when they change country and staff things start to go wrong
- They choose the wrong clubs

Football at a high level is all about the small details, if 1 or 2 things go wrong, everything crumbles like domino pieces.

I would add to that that they become more and more out of touch with the current generation of players, and struggle to understand how to motivate them.
 
Football tactics change is one of the biggest reasons and managers are reluctant to change from the formula that gave them success before. That's a big reason why Fergie did well for so long. United were maybe starting to lag behind tactically then he got in Carlos Quieroz who was one of the big components of that more defensive 2000s football that was big at the time with Mourinho/Benitez. We had been sometimes been a little naive in Europe, especially away from home and he made us stronger.

People act as if Pep has just been playing the same tika-taka since 2010, but he has adapted well to the times by making subtle changes all the time. Or maybe that he's proactive in initiating the changes/proactive at copying other managers. Like the inverted full-backs.

Another reason is they become exhausted and can't put in the same energy, some managers retire when that happens like Klopp is doing or Sacchi, but others just continue on and milk money off clubs until they're 70 just from name alone while not putting in the same effort.
 
Think thing with Mourinho could also be not adapting his approach to new generations. He said a few times how Lampard was a man at 23, while nowadays players are mentally still kids at that age. And most of his success did come with generation of players born in 70s and early 80s. Maybe this is far-fetched and it's more about his outdated tactics and the fact that defensive football gave much more success during 2000s and early 2010s than since.
 
I get the sense that after 2010 and the Inter win over Barcelona, Mourinho went from wanting to win, to wanting to win in a way where he's perceived as the hero.
There's definitely some of that, but mostly in his case the issue is his man management always came with a short shelf-life, and once he stopped winning, players started questioning why they should even bother accepting him anymore. He's also become more toxic in fairness, in an effort to defend himself from the team's failures. Back in his first chelsea stint he wasn't nearly as quick to throw players under the bus as he is now, afaik
 
Footballers themselves have changed the landscape for managers.

The likes of Fergie and Mourinho, who ruled with an iron first worked because the players were of that generation who understood and got on with it. These days players have their own entourage, outside influences, businesses, chefs, agents, friends, social media teams, PR. If the manager ruled with an iron fist these days there would be Sancho type arguments going on all over the place. There are some players who can handle it, but others need an arm around the shoulder to feel wanted.
 
From what I’ve experienced, albeit at a different level of sport, but I believe the lessons apply…
Maintaining a championship side is harder than building one. On the competitive side of things, when you build a good side, you have the ability to surprise people & sometimes can be taken lightly by others and pick up some wins that way. Once you’re good, everyone knows you, they spend extra time preparing for you, etc. You have the target on your back.

Maintaining a championship level side is also very, very tiring and stressful on a personal level. The climb to being good isn’t as stressful. There is less expectation to manage and alot more positivity since, generally, things are moving up. That changes once you hit the top & the only options are really to maintain or drop… and then if you drop, the scrutiny comes in much harder than if you lose a game or two on the climb up. This leads to alot of internal pressure to minimize risk, which can, if you let it, end up killing off some to most of the creativity and risk taking that got you to the top in the first place, thus making you more predictable/ easier to scout/ easier to beat.

This is definitely the correct answer, I'd say. There's excitement that comes with the climb to excellence, while at the top it's all pressure just to stay put.
 
The same way snooker players don't last forever. You lose your edge. I don't think it's possible to keep your brain at such a high performing level for such a long period of time. Eventually it will burn out, ideas that worked once no longer work and you may either be stubborn or choose the wrong tactical evolution.
 
Cruyff obviously had a brilliant footballing mind, but I don't think he should be mentioned in the context of managers that continually innovated tactically and/or rode through the trends of different eras successfully, never letting the game obviously pass them by.

He wasn't a manager for too long, and while not so rigidly wedded to one formation as Sacchi was (probably the most one one-dimensional of the consensus great managers imo), he did have a consistent philosophy and way of playing with Ajax and Barca. This didn't change that much, which is arguably why three of those titles right after his dominant first went down to the final day and were reliant on Real Madrid/Depor blowing their advantage. Then when the fine margins turned, including being humiliated in the CL final after trying to turn the pre-match psychology into a war of footballing ideology (swashbuckling, proactive Barca vs negative anti-football Milan), he was out of the game within a few seasons.

Could he have come back from the CL final humiliation and the last few seasons at Barca? I'd imagine so, yet it's far from certain, and he decided that path wasn't for him.