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I belive the Salford Reds rugby team were/are the original Red Devils..
Spot on, the devil didn't appear until the 60's and the nickname was swiped from Salford Rugby league club as Busby felt it was more gritty than "the babes".
The ship was part of the Manchester coat of arms which had originally adorned the club shirts on trips to Wembley etc.
It is still worn on the club blazers today for cup finals.
Funnily enough City also had the same ship from the Manchester coat of arms on their shirts.
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But it sank
The ship was part of the Manchester coat of arms which had originally adorned the club shirts on trips to Wembley etc.
It is still worn on the club blazers today for cup finals.
Funnily enough City also had the same ship from the Manchester coat of arms on their shirts.
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But it sank
Before the devil appeared, the club badge when worn on the shirts was just the shield with the 3 stripes and the ship.
I've got a pair of club cufflinks somewhere with that logo on that my Aunt handed down to me and I wore at my wedding, along with the United ties that the whole party wore which went down a storm with the best man who's a blue.
I've got a pair of club cufflinks somewhere with that logo on that my Aunt handed down to me and I wore at my wedding, along with the United ties that the whole party wore which went down a storm with the best man who's a blue.
I was once told it is because of the cities canal based background that the ship is in the crest.
Yes, all almost there.
The city's crest includes the red and gold stiped shield with the ship on the top, because of the canal, it also has bees on it (other reasons for this). The old united badge was very similar to today, but had the striped shield instead of the devil, and where the two footballs are now used to be two cotton flowers (other reasons for this too).
The Armorial Bearings
"Gules, three bendlets enhanced Or; a chief argent, thereon on waves of the sea a ship under sail proper. On a wreath of colours, a terrestrial globe semée of bees volant, all proper. On the dexter side a heraldic antelope argent, attired, and chain reflexed over the back Or, and on the sinister side a lion guardant Or, murally crowned Gules; each charged on the shoulder with a rose of the last. Motto : Concilio Et Labore"".
Explanation of the Arms
The Shield : red (Gules) with three gold (Or) bands drawn diagonally across to the right hand side. The white (Argent) top segment (the Chief), shows a ship at sea in full sail. This is a reference to the city's trading base and to the Manchester Ship Canal. Crest : On a multi-coloured wreath stands a terrestrial globe, signifying Manchester's world trade, and covered by a swarm of flying bees. The bee was adopted in the 19th century as a symbol of industry - Manchester being the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution. Supporters : On the left a heraldic antelope with a chain attached to a gold (Or) collar, representing engineering industries, and hanging at the shoulder, the red rose of Lancashire, in which county Manchester once was. On the right a golden lion stands guardant (facing us), crowned with a red (Gules) castle (a reference to the Roman fort at Castlefield from which the city originated). The lion also wears the Lancashire Rose. Motto : "Consilio et Labore" - loosely translated "wisdom and effort".
The city's crest includes the red and gold stiped shield with the ship on the top, because of the canal, it also has bees on it (other reasons for this). The old united badge was very similar to today, but had the striped shield instead of the devil, and where the two footballs are now used to be two cotton flowers (other reasons for this too).
The Armorial Bearings
"Gules, three bendlets enhanced Or; a chief argent, thereon on waves of the sea a ship under sail proper. On a wreath of colours, a terrestrial globe semée of bees volant, all proper. On the dexter side a heraldic antelope argent, attired, and chain reflexed over the back Or, and on the sinister side a lion guardant Or, murally crowned Gules; each charged on the shoulder with a rose of the last. Motto : Concilio Et Labore"".
Explanation of the Arms
The Shield : red (Gules) with three gold (Or) bands drawn diagonally across to the right hand side. The white (Argent) top segment (the Chief), shows a ship at sea in full sail. This is a reference to the city's trading base and to the Manchester Ship Canal. Crest : On a multi-coloured wreath stands a terrestrial globe, signifying Manchester's world trade, and covered by a swarm of flying bees. The bee was adopted in the 19th century as a symbol of industry - Manchester being the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution. Supporters : On the left a heraldic antelope with a chain attached to a gold (Or) collar, representing engineering industries, and hanging at the shoulder, the red rose of Lancashire, in which county Manchester once was. On the right a golden lion stands guardant (facing us), crowned with a red (Gules) castle (a reference to the Roman fort at Castlefield from which the city originated). The lion also wears the Lancashire Rose. Motto : "Consilio et Labore" - loosely translated "wisdom and effort".
Thank You very much sirs!!!
I remember reading that we played a game against Liverpool a long long time ago, early 1900s I think, with the winner claiming the right to call themselves the Red Devils.
We lost but ultimately still won..... <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Correct me if I'm wrong, I may have dreamt that story up! <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
We lost but ultimately still won..... <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Correct me if I'm wrong, I may have dreamt that story up! <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
Originally posted by Niall:
<strong>I may have dreamt that story up! <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
More than likely!
Busby nicked it from Salford RLFC, who as far as I understand got the nickname when they went on tour of France. With the French calling them the Red Devils because of the colour of their kit and the way that they played.
The Busby Babes simply was not appropriate after Munich, and Busby liked the nickname Salford had, so nicked it.
The badge wasn't changed to include a devil for some time after that though!
Red Devils
Manchester United are know as "The Red Devils". Why? I hear you ask. Was the club founded by Salford Satanists? The answer is no (although when they where known as Newton Heath they did get called "the Heathens" which is also a bit irreligious). From the change of name in 1902, Manchester United FC were nicknamed simply "The Reds" or "United" until the media dubbed them "The Busby Babes" in the mid 1950's. However, after the Munich disaster in 1958 that name was no longer appropriate.
In the early 1960's Salford Rugby club toured France wearing red shirts and became known as "The Red Devils". Manager Sir Matt Busby liked the sound of it, thinking that a nasty devil is more intimidating to opponents than angelic babes. He declared Manchester United should also be known as the "The Red Devils" and soon the club began incorporating the devil logo into match programmes and scarves. In 1970 the club badge was redesigned, but now with a cheeky wee devil in the centre holding a pitch-fork. The United club crest had originally been the City of Manchester coat of arms. During the mid 60's it became a similar to the current design but instead of the devil in the centre it had 3 diagonal yellow lines. Click here to see the evolution of the Manchester United club badge
The "devil badge" was incorporated onto the home shirt for the first time in 1973. It has since remained virtually unchanged (although in 1998 the words "Football club" were removed to much annoyance of die-hard fans) and has become one of the most instantly recognisable commercial symbols in the world. Recently the club introduced the official "fun" matchday mascot "Fred the Red" - a giant Red Devil (who has his own line of less-than-popular kids merchandise). The question remains, if indeed United are in league with the dark lord Satan then why are they so successful and Southampton (The Saints), Everton (A Church adjoins their stadium) so rubbish? After all God would surely give his teams all the luck. Of course, Manchester United have a club Chaplain, The Rev John Boyers. Maybe he does a lot of good work to ensure that never-ending supply of last minute goals....
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Manchester United are know as "The Red Devils". Why? I hear you ask. Was the club founded by Salford Satanists? The answer is no (although when they where known as Newton Heath they did get called "the Heathens" which is also a bit irreligious). From the change of name in 1902, Manchester United FC were nicknamed simply "The Reds" or "United" until the media dubbed them "The Busby Babes" in the mid 1950's. However, after the Munich disaster in 1958 that name was no longer appropriate.
In the early 1960's Salford Rugby club toured France wearing red shirts and became known as "The Red Devils". Manager Sir Matt Busby liked the sound of it, thinking that a nasty devil is more intimidating to opponents than angelic babes. He declared Manchester United should also be known as the "The Red Devils" and soon the club began incorporating the devil logo into match programmes and scarves. In 1970 the club badge was redesigned, but now with a cheeky wee devil in the centre holding a pitch-fork. The United club crest had originally been the City of Manchester coat of arms. During the mid 60's it became a similar to the current design but instead of the devil in the centre it had 3 diagonal yellow lines. Click here to see the evolution of the Manchester United club badge
The "devil badge" was incorporated onto the home shirt for the first time in 1973. It has since remained virtually unchanged (although in 1998 the words "Football club" were removed to much annoyance of die-hard fans) and has become one of the most instantly recognisable commercial symbols in the world. Recently the club introduced the official "fun" matchday mascot "Fred the Red" - a giant Red Devil (who has his own line of less-than-popular kids merchandise). The question remains, if indeed United are in league with the dark lord Satan then why are they so successful and Southampton (The Saints), Everton (A Church adjoins their stadium) so rubbish? After all God would surely give his teams all the luck. Of course, Manchester United have a club Chaplain, The Rev John Boyers. Maybe he does a lot of good work to ensure that never-ending supply of last minute goals....
From manutdzone.com