Why are our transfers

[Neil Thomson]

so messy? Paulo Di Canio was played out in the media for ages and then came to nothing, Forlan was at an airport lounge before choosing which club to go to, and now with Rio there is talk of it being a not so secret pre-WC deal, but only on if Rio asks for it - or the Plc order his sale. What happened to the sly overnight transfers of Cantona and Cole?

 

[Dans]

I'm not being funny, but does it really matter? Perhaps the share price is stimulated by all the rumours. After all the ups and downs of share prices are often all as a result of rumours.

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>so messy? Paulo Di Canio was played out in the media for ages and then came to nothing, Forlan was at an airport lounge before choosing which club to go to, and now with Rio there is talk of it being a not so secret pre-WC deal, but only on if Rio asks for it - or the Plc order his sale. What happened to the sly overnight transfers of Cantona and Cole?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Its got everything to do with our success over the past decade IMO. United transfer rumours sell papers and draw interest from United fans and ABUs alike. I think the days of the surprise signings are over. That said, we kicked Jaap to the curb in about a day or so and it was a shock to most of us at the time, so anythings possible.

 

[JSV]

The RVN transfer was a big shock for most people the first time round seeing as hardly anyone even knew we were in for him. The Veron transfer was also tied up quite smoothly. It's generally a case of shit management and PR on the part of th club though when it does get messy. Anyone remember when they unveiled their new PR woman with all that hype, where it was later found she was a bit of a feck up who'd lied on her CV about some pretty major stuff. All a bit amatuerish for a big business like United really.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by JSV:
<strong> All a bit amatuerish for a big business like United really.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Kinda makes us dream ocassionally we're still a football club.

 

[JSV]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Kinda makes us dream ocassionally we're still a football club.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very true.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Apparently we haven't even made an official bid for Rio yet, although this might be to do with the end of our financial year coming up, its amazing the amount of pre-transfer ramblings there have been. The PDC situation was a terrible mess and I'm concerned that this transfer might head the same way, with no actual result.

 

[Gazza]

If a player is being tracker by a club, nobody will take notice. If the club in question transpires to be United, it is everyone's business. United are a big club, and any transfer will attract attention (and interest from big clubs).

 

[Dans]

Well there you have it folks.

 

[Neil Thomson]

I think waiting until after the WC might be a big mistake now - Rio and Duff have seen their prices soar, and now other big clubs like Juve are sniffing around Rio. And today's rumour is that Arsenal might steal Recber from under our noses. Players if given a choice do like to pick the club that showed the greatest desire to sign them (as long as the money is right too of course), so we need to show our desire and get some official bids in for whoever our transfer targets are asap. The WC is no obstacle now because only Brazil and Turkey are left out of the big teams, the rest are available now.

 

[Julian Denny]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>I think waiting until after the WC might be a big mistake now - Rio and Duff have seen their prices soar, and now other big clubs like Juve are sniffing around Rio. And today's rumour is that Arsenal might steal Recber from under our noses. Players if given a choice do like to pick the club that showed the greatest desire to sign them (as long as the money is right too of course), so we need to show our desire and get some official bids in for whoever our transfer targets are asap. The WC is no obstacle now because only Brazil and Turkey are left out of the big teams, the rest are available now.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We were rumoured to have put in a bid for Rio of 25m before the WC - just as an opener I suppose which started the whole speculation off. Then Risdale says he has received no offers. Then Kenyon says he made an enquiry and was told Rio wasn't for sale. So it seems they tried to do something before the WC but probably only halfheartedly - testing the water.
Generally things get quite messy because agents get involved linking us with just about everyone who is looking for a better deal, and pushing up the price on those we are interested in.
Had we gone in for Thuram last season determined to get him and had we signed PDC, instead of stupidly linking the deal to Yorke's not so certain departure, then who knows what might have happened.

 

[giggzy]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>What happened to the sly overnight transfers of Cantona and Cole?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cantona, Cole, RVN, Stam and Veron... were all done on the quiet... it makes me think whether we're interested in Rio... would we make our interest so public, which out even tabling a bid?


for all we know Nesta could be a real target...Fergie said he was interested in him a few days before teh world cup...


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[Richter]

Hyypia is the only worldclass cb that hasnt been linked with us <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by giggzy:
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Cantona, Cole, RVN, Stam and Veron... were all done on the quiet... it makes me think whether we're interested in Rio... would we make our interest so public, which out even tabling a bid?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Stam and Veron affairs were hardly on the quiet. There plenty of (confirmed) talks before we actually agreed fees.

 

[fortyseven]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>I think waiting until after the WC might be a big mistake now - Rio and Duff have seen their prices soar, and now other big clubs like Juve are sniffing around Rio. And today's rumour is that Arsenal might steal Recber from under our noses. </strong><hr></blockquote>

There are two sides to that coin. High quality players who underperform in the WC see their prices fall. We shouldn't buy players based on their short term performance in highly televised competitions. If any club wants to pay too much for Rio or Recber, let them. They aren't unique. There are other quality players around, and in the final analysis we have more spending power than almost any other club. As long as we use it wisely.

 

[uranushk1]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>I think waiting until after the WC might be a big mistake now - Rio and Duff have seen their prices soar, and now other big clubs like Juve are sniffing around Rio. And today's rumour is that Arsenal might steal Recber from under our noses. Players if given a choice do like to pick the club that showed the greatest desire to sign them (as long as the money is right too of course), so we need to show our desire and get some official bids in for whoever our transfer targets are asap. The WC is no obstacle now because only Brazil and Turkey are left out of the big teams, the rest are available now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you think that indeed Fergie has other names in his head, rather than Ferdinand, Nesta and Duff? High profile is not his way in doing business. Two years ago, one week before we announced we were going to sign RVN Fergie still declined that he want him. Cantona, Cole, Veron,.. they were also signed without much noise before the deal was done. That's why I always think that Fergie publicly declare he want to get Nesta just proves he is not going after him. May be we have already made official bid to someone, who we all haven't thought for at this time.

 

[Due South]

I dont care how messy it gets....I think its par for the course because its Utd and newpapers love the sales.

I just know that we need some rebuiding at the back and also some quality in reserves. I agree that we should not wait for after the WC.....Germans wont sell Ballack or Kahn, so dont bother looking there and Brazilians are not interested in England until maybe they are old.

<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by fortyseven:
<strong>

There are two sides to that coin. High quality players who underperform in the WC see their prices fall. We shouldn't buy players based on their short term performance in highly televised competitions. If any club wants to pay too much for Rio or Recber, let them. They aren't unique. There are other quality players around, and in the final analysis we have more spending power than almost any other club. As long as we use it wisely.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not sure that high quality players who underperform in the WC see their prices fall, if they've had great seasons at their club. Veron's value though must have fallen.

Recber btw is very cheap because of a buyout clause, he's valued at around 4-5m whereas we got barthez for 8m and buffon cost a fortune.

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>

Do you think that indeed Fergie has other names in his head, rather than Ferdinand, Nesta and Duff? High profile is not his way in doing business. Two years ago, one week before we announced we were going to sign RVN Fergie still declined that he want him. Cantona, Cole, Veron,.. they were also signed without much noise before the deal was done. That's why I always think that Fergie publicly declare he want to get Nesta just proves he is not going after him. May be we have already made official bid to someone, who we all haven't thought for at this time.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Totally agree, the more likely signing are Escude, Recber, Ayala and hopefully not Reiziger.

I think we should consider buyign Bramble, Bobby Robson knows potential when he sees it, and Titus would be a great reserve player for us.