Who's gonna replace Maguire if he leaves?

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Seems likely he'll leave to go be first choice at say Villa, Newcastle, Spurs, West Ham or will go abroad. Don't see him being first choice or wanting to stick around since it's not clear he's first choice to backup Varane ahead of Lindelof and seems like maybe even 4th choice at LCB (throw in Shaw), even though Varane has injury issues and he could back himself to step up and be first choice and an improved player under a good manager.

Also Ten Hag might want the money and a new captain, and the biggest issue is probably Maguire hanging on to start at the Euros in like 16 months, which seems far more likely if he's playing all the time, otherwise you get the feeling we might see someone like Colwill, Guehi or Tomori take his job, or maybe even a Chilwell-Shaw-Stones-James backline if Shaw continues to look brilliant most of the time he fills in there for Lisandro, since Southgate can always shift Shaw over to LB if Chilwell gets hurt or he just wants him out there late in games and a new CB coming in. Though England have so little LB depth that it's more likely Shaw and Chilwell are just locked in there and one of the young CBs improves to partner Stones.

Anyways, I figured we could use a thread to discuss CBs.

The name we've been linked to most is probably Timber, last summer, who maybe turned us down. People will want a taller player, but considering Wan-Bissaka might be sold to if the Frimpong rumours are true, and it's possible Ten Hag would ideally want Timber to back up Varane, Dalot and Frimpong at RB (and he is very stylistically different player than Frimpong, in that he can step inside and sit deeper while Frimpong is all about pace going forward), I'm not sure that will sound as appealing to Timber as being first choice somewhere else.

A name that makes some tenuous sense is Doekhi from Union Berlin, though I've literally never seen him play, but might check out the Bayern-Union game since they're tied (with Dortmund) for top of the table there. Solid FBref numbers though seems like more of a long ball passer than Ten Hag favors in defence: https://fbref.com/en/players/f67c9d29/Danilho-Doekhi

But Dutch, 24 years old, highest rated player for his team who are somehow tied for the Bundesliga lead and out of contract in 2 years. Apparently turned down a deal to Rangers and is wanted by English clubs. Played for Jong Ajax 35 times, but left 6 months after Ten Hag got there, though De Ligt, Blind, Schurrs and Wober were all ahead of him and that's a decent foursome blocking his way to be fair, considering he was only 20 and just probably not ready. Probably ends up in mid-table here, but he seems like a plausible name.
 
Kim Min-Jae from Napoli apparently has a €40m release clause (iirc from his thread on here). Would be a good signing at that price but not sure he’d leave Napoli who are flying high and about to win serie A and play UCL next season. He’d be competing with Varane here so might find his minutes limited (injury dependent on Varane).
 
It's tricky... We need to buy someone willing to be our 3rd (or even 4th) choice CB.
 
It's tricky... We need to buy someone willing to be our 3rd (or even 4th) choice CB.

Sir Alex never seemed to struggle to find these players, Berg and Silvestre spring to mind.

All depends on whether they feel being a squad player and winning trophies is more important than playing and winning nothing.
 
It's tricky... We need to buy someone willing to be our 3rd (or even 4th) choice CB.
Our best bet would be signing a younger player with the potential to eventually replace Varane in the team. We normally let other teams do the development for us and then pay a king's ransom for a starting player so it could work on two counts if we do it right. No idea on the actual player though.
 
Buy a young, talented CB.
 
Shouldn’t be a major consideration, budget depending. We have a GK, striker, and at least one central midfielder to be signing before we care about replacing our 3rd choice right sided CB.
 
I think Luke Shaw will be his replacement. Promote some kids and see if they’re up to the task if we have to, but with the gaps we’ve got I don’t really think another centre back is a priority. Takeover depending of course, but selling Maguire could be useful for us in terms of cash.
 
Don’t think we can sell Maguire and not get another CB who’s dominant in the air. Wouldn’t like to go away to an Everton for example with Varane out injured and Lindelof partnering Martinez. We’ve seen in certain games this year how teams have hammered us late on aerially and we’ve needed to throw on Maguire/Varane to cope.
 
Sir Alex never seemed to struggle to find these players, Berg and Silvestre spring to mind.

All depends on whether they feel being a squad player and winning trophies is more important than playing and winning nothing.

Berg was apparently "at the time the joint-highest fee ever paid for a defender by a British club" though apparently he wanted him years before.

Silvestre was medium to lower range expensive for the time so a solid buy, though I always though he would have had a better career in a 3 man back line at LCB.

But yeah, guys who didn't complain when they weren't first choice. Maybe not coincidental that Silvestre wasn't in the French squad yet and Berg's place for Norway was surely safe.
 
Don’t think we can sell Maguire and not get another CB who’s dominant in the air. Wouldn’t like to go away to an Everton for example with Varane out injured and Lindelof partnering Martinez. We’ve seen in certain games this year how teams have hammered us late on aerially and we’ve needed to throw on Maguire/Varane to cope.

I see the case for this, but my guess is Ten Hag will just go for Timber, though if he can't get him or it takes too much of the budget and we need it elsewhere, getting some height makes sense.

Tough to find height and passing and mobility all in one player, though. And Ten Hag didn't seem to hugely rate the bigger CBs in Botman and Schurrs and such he had available at Ajax unless I'm thinking of that incorrectly.

Maybe a compromise and just an aerially decent CB.
 
Our best bet would be signing a younger player with the potential to eventually replace Varane in the team. We normally let other teams do the development for us and then pay a king's ransom for a starting player so it could work on two counts if we do it right. No idea on the actual player though.

I agree with this, unless we go for Timber and just want to try to dominate every game with tons of possession and Ten Hag just replaces Lindelof with an aerial option in the summer of 2024.

Maxence Lacroix has very good aerial stats, decent passing stats, only 22. He seems like a logical enough candidate too.

There's also a couple relegation candidates in the Prem, like Bella-Kotchap, though his passing isn't very good from what I've seen, and the younger Wolves CBs (though seems fairly unlikely they go down now that they've got a new manager and some reinforcements in Lemina, Dawson and Cunha).
 
I see the case for this, but my guess is Ten Hag will just go for Timber, though if he can't get him or it takes too much of the budget and we need it elsewhere, getting some height makes sense.

Tough to find height and passing and mobility all in one player, though. And Ten Hag didn't seem to hugely rate the bigger CBs in Botman and Schurrs and such he had available at Ajax unless I'm thinking of that incorrectly.

Maybe a compromise and just an aerially decent CB.
I’d personally get Timber as first choice RB and cover at centre half, and Kim. Hopefully selling Maguire, AWB, Lindelof and Bailly would cover a lot of the fee. A back 7 of Dalot, Timber, Kim, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Malacia would be enough IMO, with both first choice full backs versatile enough to fill in inside if needed. Whether we’d actually go for 2 defenders in one summer is debatable though.
 
Hows justin timber doing? Ability to play in two positions could be key for any replacement for maguire.
 
I don't think we need to. Maguire is 4th choice - this should be a role that you fill in with your utility players or young players. If there's a talented CB coming through, sure get them but it's not something we should be actively looking to replace.
 
Needs to be someone young but big potential and similar qualities to Varane IMO, to eventually take over. Timber too short, need the aerial presence.

Guys with the potential for me:
  • Bell Kotchap
  • Ahmedhodzic
  • Guehi
  • Antonio Silva
  • Todibo
 
Mick Phelan still around?

We don't need a superstar, just somebody who is a consistent performer and good at the basics. There must be somebody in the academy, we have had some good players come through recently in other positions. Under SAF most of our backups were adept in multiple positions. Lindelof can cover the whole right side and Shaw can come in from LB if needed so I don't think we need to look too hard. An eventual replacement for Varane is the real priority in defence.
 
I wonder because Dalot can play both LB and RB that we will buy a 3rd RB and consider Shaw to be our back up LCB.

Then we go for a RB & a RCB - or we consider one of those defenders that can play both positions for example Timber( though I have no idea how good he is).
 
A player like Pavlovic from Salzburg, who has PL all written over him.
21 years old, young enough to be 3rd CB.
Talented enough to fight for the first team in 1 or 2 years.
Good enough to replace a starter for some time.
Cheap enough to be bought for the bench.

Not saying Paclovic is the one, but would be a good example.

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So we'll bench Martinez?

No, Martinez varane be our CB pairing, Shaw will move to CB if either is injured or suspended maybe. Shaw is a better backup CB than Maguire is as an actual CB. Chances are we buy someone who can play both LB / RB.
 
Does anyone know if Brantwaithe is any good?

He is young, English and plays for PSV so I think there’s a chance Ten Hag may know him.

Apparently he is a left footed CB and plays RCB which should make him quite two footed.

Could be the perfect player to play LCB and RCB - being cover for both.
 
A player like Pavlovic from Salzburg, who has PL all written over him.
21 years old, young enough to be 3rd CB.
Talented enough to fight for the first team in 1 or 2 years.
Good enough to replace a starter for some time.
Cheap enough to be bought for the bench.

Not saying Paclovic is the one, but would be a good example.

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Never seen this guy (or I guess I probably have in the CL but don't remember so same thing) but whoever the #2 Slavic CB under 24 is after Gvardiol is a fine shout. 25 caps at his age is a ton. But if he's at Salzburg he'll presumably go to Leipzig, right?

Lens have conceded the least goals in Ligue 1 and their top defender seems to be Kevin Danso, who was at Southampton for a cup of coffee, I think as a RB, and he's 24 and now solidly in the Austrian team. 90% passing, says he wants to come to the Prem and 6'3 and has lived in England before. https://fbref.com/en/players/6e33125f/Kevin-Danso

His coach sure makes him sound pretty pretty good:

“Kevin is our boss,” Haise tells Laola1. “He gives commands, he directs his teammates with a lot of vigour and passion. He is a leader by nature. This role suits him wonderfully, and he fulfils it with much enthusiasm.
 
I see the case for this, but my guess is Ten Hag will just go for Timber, though if he can't get him or it takes too much of the budget and we need it elsewhere, getting some height makes sense.

I don't think Timber would be a good idea now - even though you can maybe get away with having one CB like Martinez on the smaller side in the PL, if you ended up with games where you had to play Martinez and Timber next to each other you'll start to struggle, especially with defending set-pieces.

Dumfries or Timber

Dumfries is very attacking even for a RB. He is not a CB.

A young left footed centre back.

I don't get all the calls for a left-footed CB when Shaw is around. If anything I'd rather sign a more promising LB to cover for Shaw for whenever he has to fill-in at LCB, given how excellent he's been there.

Do we not have any promising CB’s in the academy?

I think Fredricson is pretty highly rated; he's an England youth international and has trained with the first team before under ten Hag. Not sure if that means he's actually good enough though and even if he has the ability he's probably a couple of years away still.
 
No, Martinez varane be our CB pairing, Shaw will move to CB if either is injured or suspended maybe. Shaw is a better backup CB than Maguire is as an actual CB. Chances are we buy someone who can play both LB / RB.
Shaw will only be backup left centreback, so will play there when Martinez isn't. We will have somebody else (either a new player or Lindelof) who will be our backup on the right when Varane doesn't play.