Who'll be the main rivals this year?

ronanm

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Pool or Arse? Newcie could also be v. dangerous IMO. Arse have only signed Cygan - complacency?
 
Welcome, ronanm.

I think those three are definitely our main rivals for the upcoming season.

Cygan looks like a decent buy for the Arse. I don't think they are over-confident. Maybe a bit skint because of the new stadium plans thats all.
 
I think Newcastle will be a big threat this season. I don't think they'll keep up with the bigguns, but they'll do better than last season.

Viena (spelling?) was a brilliant signing for them, he scored 2 last night in their friendly.

Their team is starting to look nice.

Solano, Jenas, Dyer, Viena
Shearer Bellamy

Not bad eh?
 
Originally posted by toml:
<strong>I think Newcastle will be a big threat this season. I don't think they'll keep up with the bigguns, but they'll do better than last season.

Viena (spelling?) was a brilliant signing for them, he scored 2 last night in their friendly.

Their team is starting to look nice.

Solano, Jenas, Dyer, Viena
Shearer Bellamy

Not bad eh?</strong><hr></blockquote>


robert is there as well. . .
 
I still think that Arsenal was our biggest threat. They are strong in every department and the cover they have are better than us. Liverpool may be difficult to beat, but they may also lose a lot of points by their one-dimenionsal tactic. Newcastle lack the depth of squad to put out a serious challenge for the title.
 
Arse, Man Utd and Pool all have the chance to win Premiership IMO. Newcastle are good but not that good - yet. And don't forget Leeds either, after all they've also lost one player and I believe Woodgate & co can replace Rio without big problems, maybe they'll concede few more than last season but they'll be good anyway. Chelsea don't have a chance though.
 
Arsenal.

When they won the double in 98 I thought it was a fluke. they won the double but we were the best team in the country. Next year we won the treble and then strolled to two league championships. i think they were happy to bask in the glory of the double.

This time i think it will be different. I think they realise the success in 98 was very short lived. They have bought Carini (on loan) and Gilberto Silva and Cygan. They are not satisfied with last season and are still strengthening.

In the seventies and eighties I used to worry when Liverpool signed new players. They always seemed to buy bargains, we bought the flops. Over the last ten years or so, when the sign someone, I think "That's the end of a promising career". On paper, they have a good side but don't have the bit extra to turn good sides into champions. Long may this continue!

Us to win from Arsenal. Liverpool and Newcastle third and fourth but realistically out of the running with five games to go.
 
gilberto silva and vieira will be some pairing in the arsenal midfield...but the loss of ljunberg and pires for the early part of the season will hurt them. seaman will still be a liability in goal, and lauren does not strike me as a true RB. henry and bergkamp will do the business upfront, but kanu, wiltord, and jeffers are not really up to par. if wenger makes another signing or two (bowyer?), i'd reckon they still have a 50/50 shot of repeating as champions.

liverpool will have babbel back @ RB, improving the league's best defence, and diouf should link up well with heskey and owen in a three-pronged attack. gerrard's injury problems should be behind him, and hamann is finally being recognized for the superb job he does in front of hyypia and henchoz. houllier's return should see heskey bounce back after a tough season, with the likes of murphy also continuing to improve. cheyrou has also shown promise, and could be the buy of the season (if his CL form last year is anything to go by). liverpool do need at least one more wide midfielder (duff/emerton) to really cement their chances of knocking off arsenal.

manchester united's signing of rio ferdinand should provide long term stability to their back 4. however, question marks still remain over rio's long term partner @ CB, with the likes of laurent blanc nearing the end of his career, and brown and o'shea still yet to prove themsleves as capable defenders. also, barthez, sivestre and the neville brothers are still prone to defensive errors, and this facet of their game must be eradicated in order for manchester united to reclaim the title. manchester united are particularly strong in the central midfield, but lack cover on both wings. as well, the striker ranks are beginning to look barren, with forlan yet to score, and ferguson not completely sold on OGS or scholes as a partner for RVN. the purchase of damien duff or claudio lopez would solve many of these problems, but kenyon has indicated tha no more players will be bought this summer. thus, a return to the top of the premiership is not the sure thing many fans and pundits would have you believe.

newcastle continue to improve their attack, but a lack of backup for the aging shearer makes them extremely vulnerable should he get injured. dyer, bellamy, robert, solano and viana form a frightengly good attack base, while jenas is a superb prospect @ cm. newcastle do, however, lack a true driving force in central midfield, with speed's best days behind him, and have no one to compare to the roy keanes, patrick vieira or steven gerrard's of the world. bramble regressed as a CB last season, and has a long way to go before being considered top class while dabizas is sometimes caught out be quick thinking attackers. they are not particularly strong at either fullback position, but are able to compensate by employing one of the lague's top keepers in shay given.

leeds - shite manager, trying to sell their best players, and bringing in has-beens as replacements.

chelsea - finances have finally caught up with them, they could fall fast.

aston villa - the poster child for mid-table mediocrity.

everton - when you're pinning your hopes on a 16-year old, you know you're in trouble.

middlesborough - could surprise, depending on who else mclaren buys. so far, he has spent wisely, and this could be a breakthrough year.

west ham - too inconsistent and not enough swuad depth to really challenge for honours.

tottenham - hoddle's bargain basement buys will not take spurs to the next level. spurs fans are deluding themselves if they think tottenham can realistically challenge for a CL spot.

man city - decent looking attack, but with all the new faces, will take a while to mesh.

blackburn - provided they keep duff, they should move up the table.

southampton - relegation material.

fulham - a bit of a mess really. a lot of money spent, not a lot to show for it. tigana seems to have underestimated the calibre of the premiership, and the type of players needed to excel.

charlton - solid team, should avoid relegation, not do much else.

bolton - interesting mix, good enough to stay up, but not to move into the top half of the table.

sunderland - gudjohnsen would be an excellent buy for them, but they really need a new manager on order to take the next step.

west brom - going down.

birmingham city - going down.

PREDICTIONS:
1. liverpool
2. manchester united
3. arsenal
4. newcastle
5. blackburn
6. leeds
7. middlesborough
8. chelsea
9. aston villa
10.man city
11.west ham
12.tottenham
13.bolton
14.charlton
15.sunderland
16.fulham
17.everton
18.southampton
19.birmingham city
20.west brom
 
You are wrong
we really have no opponent but just ourselves
 
Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>gilberto silva and vieira will be some pairing in the arsenal midfield...but the loss of ljunberg and pires for the early part of the season will hurt them. seaman will still be a liability in goal, and lauren does not strike me as a true RB. henry and bergkamp will do the business upfront, but kanu, wiltord, and jeffers are not really up to par. if wenger makes another signing or two (bowyer?), i'd reckon they still have a 50/50 shot of repeating as champions.</strong>

Last season when Pires was just injured everyone said that it was a fatal blow for them, yet they responded by winning all the remaining games of the season (even beating us in Old Trafford). IMO they had the deepest squad in the PL which can deal with a few injury easily. Yes Wiltord and Kanu may not be world beaters, but as backup they are still much more well proven than Diego Forlan. Now they have bought a new CB and if they also bought Gerberto Silva as reported, I didn't see they have any appraent weakness.

<strong>liverpool will have babbel back @ RB, improving the league's best defence, and diouf should link up well with heskey and owen in a three-pronged attack. gerrard's injury problems should be behind him, and hamann is finally being recognized for the superb job he does in front of hyypia and henchoz. houllier's return should see heskey bounce back after a tough season, with the likes of murphy also continuing to improve. cheyrou has also shown promise, and could be the buy of the season (if his CL form last year is anything to go by). liverpool do need at least one more wide midfielder (duff/emerton) to really cement their chances of knocking off arsenal. </strong>

Can't see Houllier would play 3 striker. It's either Diouf or Heskey to partner Owen up front. They have bought a few inexpensive mediocres, but they still need a world class signing who can up their game into another level. As far as they don't bought Duff, I'm still not worrying a lot about them.

<strong>manchester united's signing of rio ferdinand should provide long term stability to their back 4. however, question marks still remain over rio's long term partner @ CB, with the likes of laurent blanc nearing the end of his career, and brown and o'shea still yet to prove themsleves as capable defenders. also, barthez, sivestre and the neville brothers are still prone to defensive errors, and this facet of their game must be eradicated in order for manchester united to reclaim the title. manchester united are particularly strong in the central midfield, but lack cover on both wings. as well, the striker ranks are beginning to look barren, with forlan yet to score, and ferguson not completely sold on OGS or scholes as a partner for RVN. the purchase of damien duff or claudio lopez would solve many of these problems, but kenyon has indicated tha no more players will be bought this summer. thus, a return to the top of the premiership is not the sure thing many fans and pundits would have you believe. </strong>

Now we have got Ferdinand, and Wes Brown & Silverstre can only become better when they continue to mature. The only worry of me is Barthez. If he can reproduce his form in his first year with us, then I'm confident that our defence problem is nearly solved. We still need a fast and skillful striker up front, otherwise we may not be able to break some very tough defence, such as Liverpool. It can't be a fluke for the scoursers to beat us 5 games in a row. There is definitely something we are missing up front, so that every time we seems to be clueless to break their defence.
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IMO you cant go past Arsenal.
They didnt win the premiership last year for no reason !
Henry will be looking to have a big year after the WC dissapointment, aswell as the other French stars.
I think there weak point is going to be Seamen though. Im happy they have faith in him because I wouldnt want someone as old as him in Unites goal.

Every year there is a surprise package. My surprise package for this year : Blackburn.
Especially if they keep Duff.

:)
 
Gilberto Silva and vieira will be some pairing in the arsenal midfield...but the loss of ljunberg and pires for the early part of the season will hurt them. seaman will still be a liability in goal, and lauren does not strike me as a true RB. henry and bergkamp will do the business upfront, but kanu, wiltord, and jeffers are not really up to par. if wenger makes another signing or two (bowyer?), i'd reckon they still have a 50/50 shot of repeating as champions.<hr></blockquote>

You are wrong in a number of things. Parlour and Edu are excellent cover for the wingers. So is Van Brocnkhorst who is back. Very few teams in the lower half of premiership class teams would get through Arsenal with Silva and Vierra in the middle. Besides, Cygan is not likely to start the season at the back. And about Lauren, his switch to right back did help them win the title. HE can only get better there and he is rather better defensively than some natural right full backs. With Carini now on board. There are still league Favorites in my book. Especially since there strikers are not that poor as they still scored enough times to help them lift the title with some respectability infront of goal.
And about Jeffers you can't say he is not up to scratch when his entire season was blighted by injury. Let him have an injury free season then you will see if he is good or not.

liverpool will have babbel back @ RB, improving the league's best defence, and diouf should link up well with heskey and owen in a three-pronged attack. gerrard's injury problems should be behind him, and hamann is finally being recognized for the superb job he does in front of hyypia and henchoz. houllier's return should see heskey bounce back after a tough season, with the likes of murphy also continuing to improve. cheyrou has also shown promise, and could be the buy of the season (if his CL form last year is anything to go by). liverpool do need at least one more wide midfielder (duff/emerton) to really cement their chances of knocking <hr></blockquote>

Emerton is set for Leeds and Duff is likely to stay at Blackburn. My guess is Fadiga will be Houliier's nest signing. Liverpool will be much strnger than before but they will always struggle against small teams beacsue of Houlliers insistence on counter-attaacking defensive tactics. Even with a three man forward line he will still revert to a long ball option after opening the scoring instead of killing of teams while he can like they did to Leeds at Elland road. Besides, the offside king Diouf and the other players will take at least a couple of months to settle. So a apart from the defence, Liverpool are not strong enough to win the title. But I could be wrong.

manchester united's signing of rio ferdinand should provide long term stability to their back 4. however, question marks still remain over rio's long term partner @ CB, with the likes of laurent blanc nearing the end of his career, and brown and o'shea still yet to prove themsleves as capable defenders. also, barthez, sivestre and the neville brothers are still prone to defensive errors, and this facet of their game must be eradicated in order for manchester united to reclaim the title. manchester united are particularly strong in the central midfield, but lack cover on both wings. as well, the striker ranks are beginning to look barren, with forlan yet to score, and ferguson not completely sold on OGS or scholes as a partner for RVN. the purchase of damien duff or claudio lopez would solve many of these problems, but kenyon has indicated tha no more players will be bought this summer. thus, a return to the top of the premiership is not the sure thing many fans and pundits would have you believe. <hr></blockquote>

I ahe to tootaly dis agree with you here,. Manchester United's problems last year where inconsistency and complacency. Plus collective loss of form which was most prominent in Veron , Scholes and at first Bechkham. Every team goes through that probelm once in a while. and for United it was due to wining the title unchallenged for the last few years. Thist time things will defer greatly.
1. Pre-season will start with a settled defence. Unlike last season. Save for Gazza all our defenders wil play together in preseason. So they will be better used to each other and more organised come the seasons begining.
2. Brown is a worthy defender. Alongside Stam he proved it. Just Fergie put him under too much pressure last season and he bucled under it. But with Blanc and Rio to protect him he will flourish ike before. And for O'shea in the Champion's league he proved how good he was.

3. Apart from the first few games. Gazza had one of his best seasons in years. Same as Phizza. Silvestre was the only problem defensively. For his mistakes contributed to a large number of our defeats. If he can improve defensively the should not be a probelm in our defence at all. If not Fergie is bound to get a replacement.
4. Barthez had a bad early season like Becks. But after that he was awesome. Honestly, name one blunder he made after the half way point of the season that cost us a match? . You will find none.

5. Forlan just needed time to settle. Not that he has he prem will see how good he is. You can't have been a top scorer in South amerca if you were in capable of scoring. Look at angel. at Villa he took time to settle but now who is the top scorer there?
6. United only need a fourth striker for :
i) variety
ii) if they want to win the champions league.

Why you may ask? Because last year with all their problems United finished third with the most goals scored. The defence will improve this season greatly. The hunger that was not there last sesason will back. In addition, the form that abandoned player like Becks and Barthez earlier on, Van and Giis later, and Schole and Veron all season wil be back with a vengence. Remeber form is temporary but class is permenent. And believe me this United squad has class.

Therefore:
1. Better defending and goalkeeping = Less goals and defeats.
2. Less defeats = More points plus getting nearer to title
3. Forlan settling. = More goals +bettr goald difference.

Therefore. Come august if all teams played to their full potential in terms of sheer talent in the squad United are likely to win the title.
Thus sayeth the chief :)
 
Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>6. United only need a fourth striker for :
i) variety
ii) if they want to win the champions league.

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Yes, so we definitely need a ourth striker.
 
Originally posted by Enrique Deschamps:
<strong>You are wrong
we really have no opponent but just ourselves</strong><hr></blockquote>

Too true. If we play to our potential then we win the league. Simple as that.
 
Arsenal were motivated last season because they hadn't won for so long. Can Wenger, who seems to specialise in second places, make them fight to defend - rather than win - a title? Defensively they have an ageing goalie and new, untested centre back. They could ship goals this season. Defending the Prem and having a decent tilt at the Champs League will be a tall order.

Liverpool will be under the most pressure to win something this season. They have bought some interesting players but might need to alter their style of play to get the best from them: to score more, they'll need to loosen up, and that means they may concede more. However, their only real goalscoring machine is Owen, so can they score enough?

United will be strongly motivated and more stable, and with a new coach, better organised across the team. We should concede fewer goals while still possessing the most devestating attack in the country. Weakness looks mainly depth of squad at the moment - without signings, injuries could affect prospects of winning more than one major title.

Newcastle will be looking to consolidate this season. They look like they over-acheived last season and a combined assault on the title and a European campaign will be beyond them. Some interesting buys but weakness is still their defence.
 
ARSE are the only true threat IMO. They needed to win or draw every game last year to win the title, I dont see that happening again. We lost what 9 games and still finished only 10 points adrift. RVN will need some cover to allow his recuperation for the late season run in and we need to avoid the catastrophic injuries we received last year. If we can do this we will win by at least 6 points.
 
arse will find it harder, as there are other teams that have strengthened, and they will take points off arse, we don't have to worry about this factor, as we are everyone's cup final in home and europe, and we have become used to that.

for Arsenal, was the team that could take our title and therefore, teams did not hate them as much as us. Now they have won the title, we practically gave it to them (Man Utd do not lose more than 5-6 a season usually), other teams will want to beat the english champions especially new players like, macorone, viana, jenas, juninho etc.... to prove they arwe good players.
 
Arsenal, by far. It'll be interesting to see how they cope without their star midfielders (Pires, Freddie), but as they showed last season, they can still produce the goods even with their best players out.
I might have been worried about 'pool had they signed Duff and Bowyer, but the signigns that did come off doesn't impress me.
Newcastle will push Poo hard for 3rd place, last season was a a sort of transitional period for the Toon, I expect them to improve this season.
Leeds and Chelsea won't come into the equation.
 
arsenal are with no doubt our biggest rivals. Liverpool are kinda hard to beat but i think we'll win them this season. Newcastle???? I don't really think ther much of a threat as we USUALLY beat them. but i hope united put a performance against arsenal like they did two years ago when we beat them 6-1
 
I have said that Arsenal has no apparent weakness earlier, but may be I'm wrong. With the retire of Adams and Dixon (with Keown and Seaman to follow very soon), the left of Richard Wright and the falling out of favour of Parlour, they no longer have an British backbone. Soon they will only have one British player (Ashley Cole) in their starting lineup. If they can still win the league next season, it will be the first time a multi-nations team to win the PL.
 
Originally posted by ronanm:
<strong>Pool or Arse? Newcie could also be v. dangerous IMO. Arse have only signed Cygan - complacency?</strong><hr></blockquote>


No MAAAAAAAAAAN! Manchester City will be the little surprise of the premier league this season, of course after Man Utd. :cool:
 
Arsenal look totally fired up to defend their title and will be our main rivals.

That said, I think we're twice as fired up as they are.

Newcastle and Poo will have a go but fade quickly enough.

Our only real threat is the distraction of the Champions League. Knowing its at OT might be more of a burden than blessing.

Come on the boys ! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Soon they will only have one British player (Ashley Cole) in their starting lineup. If they can still win the league next season, it will be the first time a multi-nations team to win the PL.
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Didn't you forget Campbell? :confused:

Anyway, what worries me is the fact that they scored in every league games last season which just showed how robust their offense is. I hate to admit but they seem to have the pace (Henry/Wiltord) and creativity (Bergkamp/Pires) that we just couldn't match.

Although we scored more goals than they did, our attack wasn't really that convincing against good defensive teams. And I agree that we definitely need the 4th "drop-back" striker to give us another dimension that we currently lack in offense.
 
First Tier: As usual

1. United
2. Arsenal
3. Liverpool
4. Newcastle
5. Chelsea
Second Tier:

Leeds
Man City
Blackburn
Boro
 
I doubt anyone here watched Pool play Lazio this week. Their new attacking midfielder Cheyrou a revelation. If he maintains that kind of form then Pool would definitely pose a stronger challenge than last season. Esp with Babbel back as he adds bite to their attack. I have a feeling that Arsenal will slack off this season esp with Pires and Freddy missing. The title will go to Man Utd or Pool
 
Arsenal have problems: don't underestimate the loss of Adams from the dressing room, the French players will have lost confidence after the world cup, you know how fickle thr French are, Semen will be nervy after his gaff and when he gets injured they could have a goalkeeping crisis. Anyway it's always much harder to retain a title.

Liverpool have signed too many new players who will need time to settle. I don't fancy their forward line when the little Welsh lad gets injured. I think they had an easy ride last term and a lot of teams will be more wise to them this time. Marty Feldman will have to take it easy anyway because of his ticker.

Newcastle lack class. They still rely too much on Shearer and he must be past it by now.

Leeds will miss Rio, and that cockney spiv Venables talks a good game but doesn't deliver.

Chelsea are a joke, and the rest know they don't have a chance.

Should be a piece of cake then!
 
Originally posted by mu11:
<strong>

Didn't you forget Campbell? :confused:

Anyway, what worries me is the fact that they scored in every league games last season which just showed how robust their offense is. I hate to admit but they seem to have the pace (Henry/Wiltord) and creativity (Bergkamp/Pires) that we just couldn't match.

Although we scored more goals than they did, our attack wasn't really that convincing against good defensive teams. And I agree that we definitely need the 4th "drop-back" striker to give us another dimension that we currently lack in offense.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, sorry, I have really forgotten Campbell :)
But their reducing of British players is also a fact. Hope this will become a weakness for them.

As for ourselves, now the no.9 shirt is still unoccupied, so I believe that there is quite a chance Fergie will still bring someone in soon.
 
Originally posted by Beckham007:
<strong>IMO you cant go past Arsenal.
They didnt win the premiership last year for no reason !
Henry will be looking to have a big year after the WC dissapointment, aswell as the other French stars.
I think there weak point is going to be Seamen though. Im happy they have faith in him because I wouldnt want someone as old as him in Unites goal.

Every year there is a surprise package. My surprise package for this year : Blackburn.
Especially if they keep Duff.

:) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't forget BORO for this year
 
Watched the Charity Shield yesterday. It added another proof that Arsenal will still be our biggest rival in the new season. They beat a full-team Liverpool convincingly with several key players missing. They have enough quality and the depth of their squad can only be better than us.
 
Originally posted by sg:
<strong>Marty Feldman will have to take it easy anyway because of his ticker.
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Very clever. Twat.
 
Originally posted by ronanm:
<strong>Pool or Arse? Newcie could also be v. dangerous IMO. Arse have only signed Cygan - complacency?</strong><hr></blockquote>

the biggest threat to United is united under performing as they have been known to do in the past should that happen this year there are to many good youngsters ready to take their places. i'm sure SAF will wield the big stick iff they show any signs of weakness
 
Originally posted by ronanm:
<strong>Pool or Arse? Newcie could also be v. dangerous IMO. Arse have only signed Cygan - complacency?</strong><hr></blockquote>

the biggest threat to United is united under performing as they have been known to do in the past should that happen this year there are to many good youngsters ready to take their places. i'm sure SAF will wield the big stick iff they show any signs of weakness
 
If we didnt have such a shocking start to last season we would have pissed it yet again.This complacency will not be there this time around.Manchester utd will win the Championship this season.Manchester Utd will get to the final Of the Champions League this season.Manchester Utd will win the European Cup Final this season.Go and put your mortgage on it.Its going to happen.
 
Originally posted by benny:
<strong>If we didnt have such a shocking start to last season we would have pissed it yet again.This complacency will not be there this time around.Manchester utd will win the Championship this season.Manchester Utd will get to the final Of the Champions League this season.Manchester Utd will win the European Cup Final this season.Go and put your mortgage on it.Its going to happen.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I already see an ultimately complacency way of thinking in your reply.
 
Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>PREDICTIONS:
1. liverpool
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Funny how you put your own team first init ;)