Who would have been chosen as United manager had Moyes said "no"?

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I'm trying to remember the timeline of events. Had Mourinho already taken the Chelsea job when Moyes was asked?

I believe we approached Ancelotti too.

I think Poch was not in people's minds as top manager.

Were they any links with Klopp?

Who else was there?
 
i think they thought i was a bit too young at the time, but i’d have definitely been on their radar with all the good ideas i wrote in my letters to the club (increase prices of tickets and pies, only buying players without a u in their name, facing backwards at kick offs to confuse the opposition.)
 
7 votes for Pep :lol: :nervous:
Hadn't Pep already accepted another job or something though? I seem to remember something about a miss communication. Fergie hinted when he met with Pep but he missed understood it or something.
 
Hadn't Pep already accepted another job or something though? I seem to remember something about a miss communication. Fergie hinted when he met with Pep but he missed understood it or something.

Yep, Bayern had announced Pep would be taking them over in January 2013.
 
It has to be Mourinho at that time, he was the only credible choice.
He was vetoed wasn't he?

I think we'd have been better off if we just let Meulensteen and the other coaches there at the time keep things ticking over for the season. They at least knew how to work with the players at the club.

In that scenario we don't burn our fingers bringing in a manager short of big club experience, which is pretty much what lead us to LVG. So maybe we get Pochettino instead of Tottenham in 2014 and rebuild with a younger more energetic team.

Then that fails because Woodward and we're back where we started.
 
There is a distinction between who would and who should have got the job.

Mourinho was the only serious choice and it should have been him (even in spite of how diabolical he was when he eventually arrived).
 
Hadn't Pep already accepted another job or something though? I seem to remember something about a miss communication. Fergie hinted when he met with Pep but he missed understood it or something.
They met up in NY while Pep was on his sabbatical. All Pep has ever said is he couldn't understand anything he said and that he was already in advanced talks with Bayern.

I'm not surprised ge went there. Stressed out guy needing sabbaticals wasn't taking that hot rod over a Bayern side that was already very much primed in style and personnel.

You can hardly say it wasn't the right career decision once you take off red-tinted glasses.
 
It has to be Mourinho at that time, he was the only credible choice.
Had to be

Very very very difficult to follow Ferguson. But the one mark against him (which he says himself) is that he only won 2 CL’s in his entire stint

If you were going to replace Ferguson you surely had to get someone could improve our CL record. It’s the one thing a future manager can do to realistically better Ferguson

Moyes was absolutely never going to do it. Mourinho might have.
 
There is a distinction between who would and who should have got the job.

Mourinho was the only serious choice and it should have been him (even in spite of how diabolical he was when he eventually arrived).
He would have gotten a lot more mileage out of the old guard instead of seeing them exit en masse.

No Jagielka vids for Rio either.
 
In 2013? I can't even remember who was available. I think sometimes these decisions can be over-thought. We've seen the best managers go somewhere and been awful, and those that you'd never think in a million years would work, end up signing for a team and it's a match made in heaven. What we should have done post-Ferguson was be more decisive. Moyes getting to, what was it, April(?), was ridiculous. It was the mindset of 'Ferguson was here for 400 years therefore all it takes is for someone to manage us for a really long time and they'll be successful'. I found that disrespectful towards Ferguson's talents as if that's all it was. It was also dumb from our perspective.

Moyes wasn't a bad appointment. No manager is. Well, few. Not at the time. The bad decision comes when you deny reality about how they're doing.

"Okay so the house is on fire, the dog has been shot and the kids have been murdered in the back garden, but we're only in February, if we act now someone might think of us of being trigger happy, and gosh we wouldn't want anyone to be gossiping like that about us!" attitude. We could have moved on from Moyes midway through that season and salvaged it. Replace him with whoever. Doesn't work? Be decisive, until we find someone who does.
 
He was vetoed wasn't he?

I think we'd have been better off if we just let Meulensteen and the other coaches there at the time keep things ticking over for the season. They at least knew how to work with the players at the club.

In that scenario we don't burn our fingers bringing in a manager short of big club experience, which is pretty much what lead us to LVG. So maybe we get Pochettino instead of Tottenham in 2014 and rebuild with a younger more energetic team.

Then that fails because Woodward and we're back where we started.

Vetoed by Sir Bobby iirc but then we did it anyway later for a worse version.
 
Would have been a struggle for most managers I think. A lot of players coming to the end of their United careers and others that Sir Alex was working miracles to win titles with. Jose probably would have been the best choice.
 
I'm trying to remember the timeline of events. Had Mourinho already taken the Chelsea job when Moyes was asked?

I believe we approached Ancelotti too.

I think Poch was not in people's minds as top manager.

Were they any links with Klopp?

Who else was there?

Hadn't Pep already accepted another job or something though? I seem to remember something about a miss communication. Fergie hinted when he met with Pep but he missed understood it or something.

He was vetoed wasn't he?

I think we'd have been better off if we just let Meulensteen and the other coaches there at the time keep things ticking over for the season. They at least knew how to work with the players at the club.

In that scenario we don't burn our fingers bringing in a manager short of big club experience, which is pretty much what lead us to LVG. So maybe we get Pochettino instead of Tottenham in 2014 and rebuild with a younger more energetic team.

Then that fails because Woodward and we're back where we started.

We were too late for Pep as he'd already joined Bayern.

I'm still convinced to this day that Ancelotti and Mourinho turned us down for Madrid/Chelsea respectively.

They just likely didn't want to speak publicly about it at the time probably at Ferguson's wishes and them not wanting to disrespect Moyes.

Some evidence in here
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/was-moyes-really-our-first-choice-to-replace-ferguson.404963/
 
Was this before or after the 'Disney land for adults' tripe Woodward tried to sell to Klopp?
 
Even I voted for Jose, at the time. Was that before he went to Madrid and turned into an arse?

Post Madrid, no thanks.
He left Madrid and went to Chelsea that summer. At least he still had a league title left in him.
 
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/your-preference-for-the-next-manager.370323/

Thread started on the day SAF's retirement was announced, so you can see who people were talking about in the moment.
I said Klopp! I’ll take that. What a shame we couldn’t entice him. Things could be so different both for us and Liverpool. That said who knows if he would have managed to do well with our terrible structure?

Also the people in the thread saying Jose was ready to settle into a more term long project :lol:
 
For anyone saying Klopp or Pep I believe they were ahead of Moyes in the pecking order already. Both turned the job down.

Maybe we would have disregarded Sir Bobby's concerns as we did 2 years later and gone for Mourinho.

Loudrup was probably the only Premier League option but very unlikely. Simeone had just won manager of the season in La Liga.

Conte had won 2 league titles in 2 seasons at Juve.

I think the order of preference was as below personally.

Pep
Klopp
Moyes
Mourinho
Toss a coin

I have a feeling Van Gaal has not been considered at this stage but I couldn't definitively say why. Possibly age.
 
For anyone saying Klopp or Pep I believe they were ahead of Moyes in the pecking order already. Both turned the job down.

Maybe we would have disregarded Sir Bobby's concerns as we did 2 years later and gone for Mourinho.

Loudrup was probably the only Premier League option but very unlikely. Simeone had just won manager of the season in La Liga.

Conte had won 2 league titles in 2 seasons at Juve.

I think the order of preference was as below personally.

Pep
Klopp
Moyes
Mourinho
Toss a coin

I have a feeling Van Gaal has not been considered at this stage but I couldn't definitively say why. Possibly age.

Neither were offered the job.
 
Neither were offered the job.
I remember reading a quote from Klopp about how Fergie offered him the job but he had already promised Dortmund he would stay on for another year. I presume Pep had already agreed to take on the Bayern job as well.
 
I remember reading a quote from Klopp about how Fergie offered him the job but he had already promised Dortmund he would stay on for another year. I presume Pep had already agreed to take on the Bayern job as well.
I think Pep was in the middle of his sabbatical when Fergie retired
 
He was at the end of his sabbatical, no?
You may be right, Pep was announced by bayern in January 2013 but took over at the end of the season.

Moyes took over May 2013 but I think we probably didn't consider him as there were no indications he was returning to football

That decision to not do a proper search is why we are here
 
I remember reading a quote from Klopp about how Fergie offered him the job but he had already promised Dortmund he would stay on for another year. I presume Pep had already agreed to take on the Bayern job as well.

There was a lot of headlines about it but Klopp says he was never offered the job.

"I didn't hear about a real offer [from United] but, if there was, I could not have done it. I first had to finish the job with Dortmund and then think about other things.


https://www.skysports.com/football/...-turned-down-chance-to-become-man-utd-manager
 
Maybe not directly but I think the feelers had been very clear. You could even tell in Air Alex's book.

Yeah sure in his book Fergie said he was thinking about Pep for the future but he never offered him the job circa 2012. Because at the time they met he didn't know he was retiring.
 
Mourinho would have been a bigger pull for superstars as well and wouldn't have needed too many additions to make the team solid once again.
 
Yeah sure in his book Fergie said he was thinking about Pep for the future but he never offered him the job circa 2012. Because at the time they met he didn't know he was retiring.
Pep would have won nothing here. You have to look at the scale of that second window they had, it remains completely unprecedented, if he’d have come to u ied he’d wan won nada.
 
Pep would have won nothing here. You have to look at the scale of that second window they had, it remains completely unprecedented, if he’d have come to u ied he’d wan won nada.

That's bonkers.

Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ten Hag have all won things here. He is one of the greatest coaches of all time.

I'd also bet good money we have spent more in transfer windows since Pep signed than they did in that one.